Primach Showdown - the ones that didn't happen!

[Deus Imperator Vult]

I realise Corax states that he thinks only Sanguinius or Horus could match him but I have always read that as a reflection of Corax's insecurities more than anything else. I mean using Corax as an example all he would have to do is lure Angron into charging him then trigger his jump pack and hack into him from behind or lash him with the whip/heavy bolter from a distance rinse and repeat.

 

I'm not badmouthing the mutilated prince (I love that description of him) by any stretch he is probably my favourite traitor Primarch that's been covered so far. I mean I laugh everytime I hear Nails when he says 'he hadn't expected Lorgar to grow a backbone'. I just think he has a more obvious/exploitable weakness than some of the other Primarchs. I mean what are the other Primarchs flaws that we know; Dorn is apparently a worrier, Vulkan cares alot more about mortals, Curze has visions of everyone who he meets deaths none of these have as much potential for fatality as Angrons.

[Daemon2027]

But if Angron catches him, disables his humpback or forces Corax into close combat then Corax wouldn't stand a chance. Well he would, it wouldn't be over quick but Angron would more the likely win. On Istvann V, just before the RG are rescued, had Angron reached Corax, I think Angron would have killed him, but maybe if a fresh Corax had the chance to surprise Angron and keep him at arms length a it were the story would be different.

 

Any of the Primarchs could beat each other as they all have this own strengths and weaknesses and different environments and situations will help or hinder. Some obviously are similar in the way they fight, for example, given the chance, both Corax and Curze would probably stalk each other, holding back untill the time to strike is right. I also think there are psychological factors to, using Corax and Curze as an example again, I get the feeling Corax fears becoming Curze.

 

Edit: jumppack not HUMPpack. I'm keeping it due to my pure immaturity

[Deus Imperator Vult]

True, as I said I am in no way underselling Angrons ability to kill more that a think that specific scene was about Corax's belief in himself rather than an honest appraisal of a fight between the two of them. After all in Lightening Tower which was released at the same time as Raven's Flight Dorn says 'he would spit Angrons head with out a second thought.' I know he is more talking about fearing his brothers but he doesn't seem to take pause at Angrons combat abilities.

[Wade Garrett]

Dorn also vowed to drag Perturabo back to Terra in an iron cage, and look how that turned out.

 

Perhaps the Raven is simply better at making an honest assessment of himself and his brothers'than the Praetorian? :p

 

Then again in Deliverance Lost he monologues about how he could out taken out Curze before Lorgar could finish healing, then polished off the Urizen at his leisure. A claim I personally am a bit skeptical about.

[Apothecary Vaddon]

Dorn also vowed to drag Perturabo back to Terra in an iron cage, and look how that turned out.

Perhaps the Raven is simply better at making an honest assessment of himself and his brothers'than the Praetorian?

Then again in Deliverance Lost he monologues about how he could out taken out Curze before Lorgar could finish healing, then polished off the Urizen at his leisure. A claim I personally am a bit skeptical about.

He can apparently dodge an entire army's worth of Legionnaires shooting at him and receive nothing but scratches on his armor, by the description in TFH. He's got invisibility and magical 'you can't hit me' abilities. I think Curze could've killed both.

[Wade Garrett]

Magical "you can't hit me" abilities?

 

They didn't stop Lorgar from landing several strikes with Illuminarium or Curze from catching his Lightning Claw.

 

Theatricality and misdirection may be useful tools against the uniniated, but Corax merely adopted the darkness. Konrad was born to it, shaped and molded by it!

[amjedigen]

Hey, I'm wondering: How would non-crazy melee 'marchs like Dorn or the Lion go about fighting Magnus? Mind bullets seem hard to beat.

[Deus Imperator Vult]

Dorn also vowed to drag Perturabo back to Terra in an iron cage, and look how that turned out.

Perhaps the Raven is simply better at making an honest assessment of himself and his brothers'than the Praetorian?

Then again in Deliverance Lost he monologues about how he could out taken out Curze before Lorgar could finish healing, then polished off the Urizen at his leisure. A claim I personally am a bit skeptical about.

I think he would struggle against Curze in the sense their fighting styles seem very similar so neither would be able to find a defining blow. Corax vs Lorgar no contest, again I've not read Betrayer so I'm not upto date with his fighting style etc but I have always seen Lorgar as the weakest Primarch. Still amazing by mortal standards but against one of his brothers I think he would only have a physical edge against Alpherus who (not me badmouthing him) is smaller than his brothers not that a fight with an Alpha Legionare would be decided by physical strength alone of course.

[Daemon2027]

At Istvann V I think Corax would have killed Logar if Curze didn't intervene. And tha was a Corax who had been fighting all day while Logar and Curze were relatively fresh.

 

In Betrayer Logar seems like a different proposition. Maybe it's the power of Choas or maybe he just had more confidence in himself.

[Deus Imperator Vult]

I know Angron says he's changed in Nails but to me he still appears to be the weakest. Like you say Corax was exhausted and still managed to gut Lorgar with very little effort. He is probably tougher with chaos strength but I still think he would struggle against most of his brothers. Speaking of and bringing this back to topic I'd love to read Vulkan vs Lorgar given what we know about each of them I think the trash talking between blows would be amazing!

[Sevatar]

Manus vs Vulkan. The 2 strongest and (barring Mortarion) the toughest Primarchs by far. Lord, how I hope Forge World reflect it in their rules.

[Vile Siren]

 

I feel like it would be interesting to see Alpharius/ Omegon fight either one another(Like others have said) or fighting other primarchs becuase they may be the weakest primarchs physically but I am sure they would come up with some way to outsmart most who they fight. Also Dorn v.s. Perturabo would be cool too!

[Deus Imperator Vult]

Here's an interesting twist on this topic. Two vs Two duels Primarch and First Captains (or Chapter variants) so like Dorn and Sigismund vs the Lion and Corswain.

[Badaboom]

   I can imagine the scene of Dorn vs Perturabo a bit like Rocky Balboa vs Ivan Drago, and Pert totally pissed off, shouting "why don´t fall? WHY DON´T YOU FALL!!??". 

[Vesper]

Here's an interesting twist on this topic. Two vs Two duels Primarch and First Captains (or Chapter variants) so like Dorn and Sigismund vs the Lion and Corswain.

Horus and Abaddon vs the world ?

[Mantras]

Here's an interesting twist on this topic. Two vs Two duels Primarch and First Captains (or Chapter variants) so like Dorn and Sigismund vs the Lion and Corswain.

 

Alpharius and Omegon FTW! 

[Deus Imperator Vult]

 

Here's an interesting twist on this topic. Two vs Two duels Primarch and First Captains (or Chapter variants) so like Dorn and Sigismund vs the Lion and Corswain.

 

Alpharius and Omegon FTW! 

I would comment however I have sworn an oath of silence on the matter of the XXth legion.

[Wade Garrett]

The first rule of the XX Legion is, we don't talk about the XX Legion.

[Just_Dave]

 

Alpharius vs Omegon

 

'I have the upper hand, I know his every move'

I really think this one is likely. From what I've seen of the Alpha Legion so far in the Heresy, Alpharius and Omegeon are headed in two different directions. Omegeon really seems to be more backstabby and into the whole Heretical shtick as evidenced by Deliverance Lost and the story in The Primarchs, while it seems Alpharius is less so.

 

As much as the Heresy is a brother's war, the showdown between Alpharius and Omegeon is even more so. I could see Omegeon leading a smaller rebellion, trying to claim his day in the sun. I mean, he's definitely the forgotten primarch; after all, what is the name of every single trooper in the Legion? Alpharius. What name does everyone know the Twentieth Primarch by, even he rest of his brothers? Alpharius. He would want what is his by birthright. I honestly expect this battle to happen sooner or later.

It's definitely heading that way, yeah, and definitely looks like it's going to happen sooner rather than later, but...

 

... It's Alpharius that is the more heretical; not Omegon. I'm all but certain on this.

[Vesper]

 

As much as the Heresy is a brother's war, the showdown between Alpharius

and Omegeon is even more so. I could see Omegeon leading a smaller

rebellion, trying to claim his day in the sun. I mean, he's definitely

the forgotten primarch; after all, what is the name of every single

trooper in the Legion? Alpharius. What name does everyone know the

Twentieth Primarch by, even he rest of his brothers? Alpharius. He would

want what is his by birthright. I honestly expect this battle to happen

sooner or later.

Secrecy is the big deal in the AL. Alpharius is known to be their Primarch. And that bothers him, as he wants a force that doesn't rely heavily on vertical leadership. He doesn't want to be known like every other Primarch. Having all legionnaires calling themselves Alpharius is interesting. Because if everyone is Alpharius, then no one trully is Alpharius. Alpharius ceases to be an individual and become something else, not incarnate.

So in fact, Alpharius isn't stealing the show, he's trying to become less to allow his Legion as a whole to come closer to his ideals.

[ChaosLord Leon Enaek]

 

 

As much as the Heresy is a brother's war, the showdown between Alpharius

and Omegeon is even more so. I could see Omegeon leading a smaller

rebellion, trying to claim his day in the sun. I mean, he's definitely

the forgotten primarch; after all, what is the name of every single

trooper in the Legion? Alpharius. What name does everyone know the

Twentieth Primarch by, even he rest of his brothers? Alpharius. He would

want what is his by birthright. I honestly expect this battle to happen

sooner or later.

Secrecy is the big deal in the AL. Alpharius is known to be their Primarch. And that bothers him, as he wants a force that doesn't rely heavily on vertical leadership. He doesn't want to be known like every other Primarch. Having all legionnaires calling themselves Alpharius is intiresting. Because if everyone is Alpharius, then no one trully is Alpharius. Alpharius ceases to be an individual and become something else, not incarnate.

So in fact, Alpharius isn't stealing the show, he's trying to become less to allow his Legion as a whole to come closer to his ideals.

As a man I can be killed, I can be destroyed. But as a symbol...

[Vesper]

That's pretty much it.
A symbol, a philosophy. The Alpha Legion is in fact the masterpiece of Alpharius. He had a real project for his Legion. Something no other Primarch could do. That is why the Alpha Legion really is the strangest Legion around. That is also why Horus was fascinated by Alpharius and his vision of warfare.
The Sons of Horus Legion was nothing without Horus (as an idea). They had Chtonian background, but Horus was everything to them. That is why, when he died, the Sons of Horus had to die before being reborn into something different, free from Horus' ghost.The Alpha Legion is the exact opposite. Alpharius diluted himself into his Legion, his death is nothing and so is he as an individual, because he managed to make every legionnaire a living Alpharius. When Horus is the heart of the SoH, Alpharius is the blood of the AL, and he runs throughout his Legion.