henrywalker Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 what do you guys think will happen to the tally in the new codex in relation to chaos marines? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271979-epidemius/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Furyou Miko Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 nerfed or not applicable. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271979-epidemius/#findComment-3315645 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sception Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 only counts casualties from 'daemons of nurgle', not nurgle marked models. Only grants benefits to 'daemons of nurgle', and even then only those within a bubble radius of epi - maybe 12", maybe 6". Also less powerful benefits granted. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271979-epidemius/#findComment-3315666 Share on other sites More sharing options...
henrywalker Posted February 27, 2013 Author Share Posted February 27, 2013 wait where are you getting this from? is the speculation or have you seen the new book (you sound pretty confident) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271979-epidemius/#findComment-3315669 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chronotonic Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 unless it is in the new deamon codex...the pdf update from jan says that only plague zombies dont count... soooo unless I am miss reading this right now from the games-workshop board wide...enjoy Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271979-epidemius/#findComment-3315738 Share on other sites More sharing options...
henrywalker Posted February 27, 2013 Author Share Posted February 27, 2013 yes the current rules are all normal but it seems likely they will change in the new book Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271979-epidemius/#findComment-3315740 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spacefrisian Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 Its at other forums, in short Epidemius isnt worth taking in a Nurgle army anymore. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271979-epidemius/#findComment-3315741 Share on other sites More sharing options...
henrywalker Posted February 27, 2013 Author Share Posted February 27, 2013 sorry, what do you mean its at other forums? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271979-epidemius/#findComment-3315744 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chronotonic Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 well until the new codex drops it is legal and bla bla bla... wait when does the new codex drop again anyway.... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271979-epidemius/#findComment-3315745 Share on other sites More sharing options...
henrywalker Posted February 27, 2013 Author Share Posted February 27, 2013 its this weekend. i was just wondering if anyone had any information/intelligent theories about what might be changing for epidemius in the new codex Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271979-epidemius/#findComment-3315746 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spacefrisian Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 sorry, what do you mean its at other forums? http://www.lounge.belloflostsouls.net/showthread.php?27643-Daemons-Rumours/page18 http://natfka.blogspot.com.au/2013/02/pics-inside-new-codexarmybook-are-here.html Their are more sites beside Bolter and chainsword. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271979-epidemius/#findComment-3315764 Share on other sites More sharing options...
henrywalker Posted February 27, 2013 Author Share Posted February 27, 2013 sorry, what do you mean its at other forums? http://www.lounge.belloflostsouls.net/showthread.php?27643-Daemons-Rumours/page18 http://natfka.blogspot.com.au/2013/02/pics-inside-new-codexarmybook-are-here.html Their are more sites beside Bolter and chainsword. well done for realising, i was of course asking what you meant by "it" being "at other forums" did you mean that the leaked codex is on these forums or people have been randomly speculating on these forums or even matt ward is doing a live video explaining how hes making epidemius give every nurgle unit the flyer type. now, what exactly was it that that sentence was supposed to mean Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271979-epidemius/#findComment-3315766 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nehekhare Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 from german rumor translation thanks to oliver (via faeit212): Epi only effects Daemons of Nurgle within 6" and tally works based on unsaved wounds caused by Daemons of Nurgle:7+: +1 Strength14+: +1 Toughness21+: 2+ poison28+: 4+ Feel No Pain (so pretty much nerfed 2-3 steps beyond oblivion) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271979-epidemius/#findComment-3315882 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sception Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 I'm just going by rumors and speculation - all of which could be wrong. I haven't seen the book. That said, the rumors fit with the GW pendulum policy of new rules going out of their way to ruin anything that was previously good. Sadly, it seems of late they've forgotten that they're also supposed to supercharge new things and things that peviously sucked, at least when it comes to chaos. CSMs at least got the drake, the rumors have yet to supply any sort of mitigating factor for daemons. So far it sounds pretty awful for them all round. Like, hang up your models, don't buy the codex, and sit 40k out for a while. I haven't been following the fantasy rumors, maybe you can cut your models of their round bases, glue them to some square bases, and you might be ok to go? Or maybe the rumors will turn out to be so much hot air and pessimism. I don't know, but I'm not especially hopeful at this point. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271979-epidemius/#findComment-3315924 Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Furyou Miko Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 I wouldn't go that far yet - I mean, who really hasn't pinned their models to the bases so they can just swap them over any time anyway? :p Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271979-epidemius/#findComment-3316256 Share on other sites More sharing options...
nurglez Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 http://www.lounge.belloflostsouls.net/showthread.php?27643-Daemons-Rumours&p=287134&viewfull=1#post287134 Right, a lot of stuff there (direct translation from the German codex that someone, somewhere has, apparently). I'm happy, as it seems GW are releasing codexes quite often since the release of 6th, and also the power level seems to be... ok. Not quite to the same level as SW, GK and necrons, but they will get their new codex one day :D I also didn't like Epidemius, too much of a 1 trick pony personally, even though a fully nurgled up force tallied up was great :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271979-epidemius/#findComment-3316282 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Ambroz Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 The rumors are already in the other Epidemius thread you started henry and they're in the various Codex Daemons rumor threads in the Malificorum and Ascendant forums. Anyway my opinion is that as soon as it's time for GK and the like to get new Codex books the power level will have come around again and we'll be stuck with these..... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271979-epidemius/#findComment-3316303 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rakarsis Posted February 28, 2013 Share Posted February 28, 2013 Looks like Epi can be taken as a named "herald" instead of taking a whole HQ spot. Heralds are now 4 per 1 HQ spot (instead of 2 per 1 in previous codex), so you could take Epi and 3x Heralds of Nurgle for 1 HQ total. Might be worth looking at. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271979-epidemius/#findComment-3316576 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blacksad Posted February 28, 2013 Share Posted February 28, 2013 I wouldn't go that far yet - I mean, who really hasn't pinned their models to the bases so they can just swap them over any time anyway? me. the round bases are slightly smaller. I've made my own square bases into which I "click" the round ones. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271979-epidemius/#findComment-3316636 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sception Posted February 28, 2013 Share Posted February 28, 2013 the new tally isn't hardly worth bothering with, where as before it made nurgle armies viable of its own, and constituted the only major direct synergy between the allied codeces. Now? Now it's not worth bothering with. If in exchange we get nurgle stuff that's good enough on its own to run without tally then that might be an acceptable trade, but I'm not especialy confident of that at the moment. Either way, I'll regret the loss of direct synergy. Daemons and CSMs are 'battle brothers', but they might as well not be, given that they're specifically excluded from taking advantage of any of the benefits that ally level has over allies of convenience. Shame. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271979-epidemius/#findComment-3316892 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Circus Nurgling Posted February 28, 2013 Share Posted February 28, 2013 Looks like Epi can be taken as a named "herald" instead of taking a whole HQ spot. Heralds are now 4 per 1 HQ spot (instead of 2 per 1 in previous codex), so you could take Epi and 3x Heralds of Nurgle for 1 HQ total. Might be worth looking at. You could always do this, except they used to take up 1/2 an HQ slot (ie 2 heralds = 1 HQ slot). If they changed it to 4 heralds per HQ slot that would be interesting. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271979-epidemius/#findComment-3316919 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sception Posted February 28, 2013 Share Posted February 28, 2013 This would be the first I heard of 4/slot heralds. Not saying it isn't true, but that would surprise me if it were the case. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271979-epidemius/#findComment-3317034 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spacefrisian Posted March 1, 2013 Share Posted March 1, 2013 I dont realy get why the Daemons get the 4 Heralds per slot thing, what makes Heralds lesser than HQ choices from other codexes? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271979-epidemius/#findComment-3317529 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nehekhare Posted March 1, 2013 Share Posted March 1, 2013 What makes all daemons lesser than other codices is instability and the LOLrandom warpstorm-table of exalted suicide. Aside from that, they're only champions +1 wound. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271979-epidemius/#findComment-3317567 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blood Shadow Posted March 1, 2013 Share Posted March 1, 2013 I wouldn't go that far yet - I mean, who really hasn't pinned their models to the bases so they can just swap them over any time anyway? me. the round bases are slightly smaller. I've made my own square bases into which I "click" the round ones. What did you use to do that? i've been thinking of doing the same thing but not sure how to do it. Has anything been heard about Skulltaker, The Masque and The Blue Scribes? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271979-epidemius/#findComment-3317814 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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