Questions for my next IA...please help :)

[Captain Cirrius]

Well I thought that I could just stop at one, but (even while my Sons of Retribution are still very much a WIP) I have decided to have another go and Chapter Creation. I thought it would be fun to create a chapter whose story becomes linked with that of my first chapter. Some quick recap on where I am at with my Sons:

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They are a renegade chapter that have denounced the Imperium and have begun establishing an independant empire in the name of the Emperor at the at edge of Imperial Space.
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Ok so now I want to create their polar opposite. I want a chapter that is galant, knightly, fiercely loyal, extremist/radical in their hatred of all treachery to the Imperium, and even possibly a little radical religious. And then I want to send them after my Sons of Retribution.

So instead of diving into this on my own now, I thought I'd ask some questions before starting:

- As I understand it, SM chapters act largely independantly. If they were to pursue my Sons of Retribution, would this be something they chose to do on their own, or would some Imperial official order them to do it.

- If it is the latter, what type of official would that be?

- I was thinking Dark Angels successor, but wanted to know if you guys thought this was the best choice (or even if it was too obvious of a choice)

- Which color scheme is preffered:

Orange: 0

Yellow: 1

*keep in mind that I will be painting up a small force of these guys and want to pick a scheme that will look good on the tabletop

- Lastly, I need a name. I have not given it much thought, but if, with the themes I have described something just comes to you, suggestions are welcome and appreciated.

Thanks for any help

[Octavulg]

Dark Angels are only allowed to hate treachery if they have a well-developed sense of irony.

I like the yellow over the orange, personally.

[Captain Cirrius]

Dark Angels are only allowed to hate treachery if they have a well-developed sense of irony.

I like the yellow over the orange, personally.

Haha good point. I was actually thinking of making the DA the "parent" chapter but having the direct source of gene stock be a DA successor. Would it be better to have them come from Black Templars to help account for the fanatacism. Visually, I want to have a very knightly theme so I suppose either of these could work.

[Messor]

I also prefer the yellow, though I don't think it jives as well with the eagle/belt color.

 

All a Chapter needs to pursue a heretic is news of them and nothing better to do. Orders, no. A request, sure.

[Captain Cirrius]

Thanks for the reply Messor :)

I will look for something better for the eagle/belt and maybe post a test mini is WIP.

I was wondering if I could get your opinion on the parent chapter dilema as well?

Here are some alternates for the torso details and belt:

I personally like the second one in which the eagle is bone colored. I have never tried this before and think it may work well along with a light wash when painted.

[NightrawenII]

- As I understand it, SM chapters act largely independantly. If they were to pursue my Sons of Retribution, would this be something they chose to do on their own, or would some Imperial official order them to do it.

On their own. The Adeptus Astartes are hateful enough to reserve great portion of the hatred for their erstwhile brethren. They hunt down the renegades and kill them to the last marine.

[Captain Cirrius]

 

- As I understand it, SM chapters act largely independantly. If they were to pursue my Sons of Retribution, would this be something they chose to do on their own, or would some Imperial official order them to do it.

On their own. The Adeptus Astartes are hateful enough to reserve great portion of the hatred for their erstwhile brethren. They hunt down the renegades and kill them to the last marine.

 

Thanks I appreciate it :) So its settled that no outside orders are needed for the chapter to hunt them down.

 

Now I'm still not sure about this new chapters founding/parent chapter???

[Ecritter]

I'd stay away from DAs ... too much baggage pre-game.  Go with UMs, they are so open that you can make them into anything you want.

[Reyner]

I'd stay away from DAs ... too much baggage pre-game.  Go with UMs, they are so open that you can make them into anything you want.

Yeah I would go with Ultramarines, not as much explanation needed as Dark Angels geneseed.

 

And Cirrius have you read the Octaguide? It would help you out with figuring out the Chapter and does detail the training of Chapters aswell. It tends to be a group of marines from the Chapter providing the geneseed train up the first few batches, pick the squad leaders and company commanders. Then when all trained up they tend to go back to their Chapter.

[Captain Cirrius]

I'd stay away from DAs ... too much baggage pre-game. Go with UMs, they are so open that you can make them into anything you want.

Yeah I would go with Ultramarines, not as much explanation needed as Dark Angels geneseed.

And Cirrius have you read the Octaguide? It would help you out with figuring out the Chapter and does detail the training of Chapters aswell. It tends to be a group of marines from the Chapter providing the geneseed train up the first few batches, pick the squad leaders and company commanders. Then when all trained up they tend to go back to their Chapter.

Ultras does seem like it would simplify things.

I skimmed it, yes. I didn't realize they went back to their chapter, I was always under the impression that the training cadre became the first generation of commanders for the chapter. That complicates things for my first IA quite a bit

[Reyner]

I'd stay away from DAs ... too much baggage pre-game. Go with UMs, they are so open that you can make them into anything you want.

Yeah I would go with Ultramarines, not as much explanation needed as Dark Angels geneseed.

And Cirrius have you read the Octaguide? It would help you out with figuring out the Chapter and does detail the training of Chapters aswell. It tends to be a group of marines from the Chapter providing the geneseed train up the first few batches, pick the squad leaders and company commanders. Then when all trained up they tend to go back to their Chapter.

Ultras does seem like it would simplify things.

I skimmed it, yes. I didn't realize they went back to their chapter, I was always under the impression that the training cadre became the first generation of commanders for the chapter. That complicates things for my first IA quite a bit

Well that's still entirely up to you! It's not set in stone or anything, like with my Chapter the cadre left to return to the Salamanders but the leader of the cadre thinks to himself "Hmm lead a company or an entire Chapter of the Emperors Finest?" and stays behind to be their leader. Octavulgs Ice Lords had an awesome twist for the cadre that you could look into aswell.

[Captain Cirrius]

I'd stay away from DAs ... too much baggage pre-game. Go with UMs, they are so open that you can make them into anything you want.

Yeah I would go with Ultramarines, not as much explanation needed as Dark Angels geneseed.

And Cirrius have you read the Octaguide? It would help you out with figuring out the Chapter and does detail the training of Chapters aswell. It tends to be a group of marines from the Chapter providing the geneseed train up the first few batches, pick the squad leaders and company commanders. Then when all trained up they tend to go back to their Chapter.

Ultras does seem like it would simplify things.

I skimmed it, yes. I didn't realize they went back to their chapter, I was always under the impression that the training cadre became the first generation of commanders for the chapter. That complicates things for my first IA quite a bit

Well that's still entirely up to you! It's not set in stone or anything, like with my Chapter the cadre left to return to the Salamanders but the leader of the cadre thinks to himself "Hmm lead a company or an entire Chapter of the Emperors Finest?" and stays behind to be their leader. Octavulgs Ice Lords had an awesome twist for the cadre that you could look into aswell.

Oh ok, that frees things up a bit :) thanks

Now every IA I make will corespond with an army I build/play with. I will be (most likely) using the DA codex for this one, whose organisation and combat doctrine obviously has some breaks from the Codex Astartes. I would like to justify these seperate rules in the IA, as I have done my Sons. So my question is: if these new guys are UM successors, will people take issue with them making certain breaks from the codex astartes?

[Reyner]

If they are justified breaks from the Codex then go for it. You just need to back yourself up - think along the lines that the Codex is a very good set of guidelines for use in certain situations. So why would your Chapter decide to do something similar (rather than copy) what the Dark Angels do? Throw some ideas around and see what looks good to you without making the Chapter ermehgerd awesome.

[Ecritter]

Remember, the Codex is a guide not a rule book.

[Captain Cirrius]

yes but i guess my question is more along the lines of: Will people be skeptical to accept a break from codex from an UM successor? How much influence does the parent chapter bring into the new chapter?

Also another question: I dont want my chapter to be direct UM successors. So could someone suggest a UM successor for my chapter to be the successor of?

[Ecritter]

Direct UM .... yes, later successor not so much.  I suggest you do what I did for my Sons of Pyron.  I used a later successor ...  and beyond that I made them up (in name only) so I could blame some of the changes on them with no questions asked.

[Captain Cirrius]

Direct UM .... yes, later successor not so much.  I suggest you do what I did for my Sons of Pyron.  I used a later successor ...  and beyond that I made them up (in name only) so I could blame some of the changes on them with no questions asked.

 

This seems like the way to go then.

 

So now I have:

Successor of an UM successor (is there an easier term for this btw?)

 

I still need to get more opinions on which color scheme (Yellow: 2 Orange: 0), and a name. In my outline for this IA I suggest the name Children of Dominus. Its a start but idk how much i like it. It does embody the chapter quite a bit. And I need a founding. I want them to be older than older than my Sons of Retribution (25th founding) but not uber ancient or anything. What would be a good fit?

[Ecritter]

They will be a UM Successor, even if the successor of a successor.

 

Not fond of either scheme actually.

 

On names, remember (what GW and most on here forget) that a chapter is named long before it develops a personality.

 

Mid-M35 .... 17th founding.  25th is M40.

 

On the Training Cadre .... not all go back, no one really knows how many really go back and how many stay with the new chapter.

[Octavulg]

Of course they're named before they develop a personality. The fact that the names and the personalities so often line up are a sign of the divine favor of the Emperor.

[Captain Cirrius]

Of course they're named before they develop a personality. The fact that the names and the personalities so often line up are a sign of the divine favor of the Emperor.

 

haha absolutely. As it turns out though, this name doesn't really pose the problem. Dominus (as I have come to understand) means master in Latin so the Children of Dominus kinda works already :) if its in reference to the emperor. what do you think?

[Octavulg]

Either do it in Latin or do it in English - mix it up and people will think "Dominus" is the name of a planet or something.