B&C Sisters of battle codex

[Spacefrisian]

Since the current incarmation of the Sisters codex is rather "meh", and a new one hasnt been seen on the horizon, i thought it would be fun to rework it.

Now to start of i was thinking about some brainstorming session, post youre ideas and i will edit this 1st post to include those ideas. Brainstorming means that you add ideas, not that you go comment on them.

Idea list:

Special rules:

• Shield of faith (as now)
• Acts of faith (reworked)

Acts of faith: Units can pass a leadership test at the start of each round and may select an act of faith. Acts of faith function similar to psychic powers counting as a blessing in this regard. However as no warp power is involved, they are not hindered by psychic intervention stuff, and a roll of double 1 or 6 does not kill a sister, instead they simply cannot use an act of faith this round and the next.

eg less random

Or (Warpstorm from daemon inspired.)

Act of faith table, you roll every game turn 2d6 and apply result.

or old system

Units:

HQ:

• Saint Celestine
• New Saint
• Canoness
• Named Canoness
• Canoness retinue made from Celestians (hospitaler, crusader, priest make it into battle conclave)
• Priest (unlocks units with *)
• Inquisitors

Troops:

• Sisters of battle
• Sister trainees
• Arco vlagelants *

Elites:

• Dominions
• Repentias
• Sisters with tda type of suit (not needed to be actual tda fluff wise)
• Penitant engine *
• Assassins

Fast:

• Seraphim
• Sisters on bikes (Valkeries?)
• Sisters flyer and or valkerie

Heavy:

• Retributor
• Excorsist (with skyfire option)
• Landraider/ Redeemer

Transport:

• Immolator
• Rhino
• Repressor

Other imperium forces

By Furyou Miko

"As far as the super-heavy infantry option goes (which you call 'tda'), how about a unit something like;

Ionians

Celestian stat line, 140 points

Sister Superior + 4 models base.

Power Armour with Aspiriate Cloak (2+ save).

Bolter, Bolt Pistol, Heavy Chainsword and Frag and Krak grenades standard.

Emperor's Shield Act of Faith (+2 to Invulnerable Saves until the start of their next turn)

Options;

Contain up to 5 more Ionians +25 points/model

Any model may exchange Bolter for Storm Bolter +3 points

Any model may exchange Heavy Chainsword for Power Weapon for +8 points

Any model may exchange Bolt Pistol or Bolter for Supression Shield for +5 points

Two models in 5 may exchange Heavy Chainsword for Eviscerator for +23 points

Two models in 5 may exchange Bolter for Flamer or Heavy Bolter +5 points

Two models in 5 may exchange Bolter for Meltagun or Multi-melta +10 points

May take an Immolator, Rhino or Repressor dedicated transport.

Supression Shield gives a 4++ invulnerable save and makes melee attacks Concussive."

Note by Naminé: No simulcrum imperialis option for this unit?

By Brother Jazzman

I'd like to see a return to the previous fluff/mechanics, where Sisters always have their backs to the wall but get stronger as the situation gets more desperate.

- take out the randomness of Acts of Faith - units should generate Faith points, and as they get destroyed their Faith points go back into the pool as the other Sisters take strength from their sacrifice.

- make Battle Sisters squads Vet+4, rather than Vet+9, which would allow you to take a Character in a Rhino.

Thats it thus far, just let youre ideas run wild and i will try to add them asap. After that we go see what to do with it.

[*Furyou Miko]

Why should priests be needed to unlock anything? A Canoness is a significant of the church too, you know.

 

I don't really agree with the idea of land raiders either, since canonically (and as Ecclesiarchs, canonisation is very important to us! boom boom) they're limited to Space Marine forces only, and we are not Space Marines (we're better).

 

Can you imagine the cries of 'cheese!' if someone showed up with something like;

 

HQ

Saint Celestine

ELITE

2x (Dominions, 4 meltaguns, repressor)

 

 

1x (Dominions, 4 flamers, repressor)

TROOP

2x (battle Sisters, 2 flamers, repressor)

FAST

2x (Seraphim, 2 hand flamers)

 

1x (Seraphim, 2 inferno pistols)

HEAVY

2x (Exorcist)

 

1x (Retributors, 4 heavy bolters)?

FORT

Aegis (Quad Gun)

 

Even just moving Dominions to Elites would open up some completely broken army lists.

 

As far as the super-heavy infantry option goes (which you call 'tda'), how about a unit something like;

 

Ionians

 

Celestian stat line, 140 points

Sister Superior + 4 models base.

Power Armour with Aspiriate Cloak (2+ save).

Bolter, Bolt Pistol, Heavy Chainsword and Frag and Krak grenades standard.

Emperor's Shield Act of Faith (+2 to Invulnerable Saves until the start of their next turn)

 

Options;

Contain up to 5 more Ionians +25 points/model

Any model may exchange Bolter for Storm Bolter +3 points

Any model may exchange Heavy Chainsword for Power Weapon for +8 points

Any model may exchange Bolt Pistol or Bolter for Supression Shield for +5 points

Two models in 5 may exchange Heavy Chainsword for Eviscerator for +23 points

Two models in 5 may exchange Bolter for Flamer or Heavy Bolter +5 points

Two models in 5 may exchange Bolter for Meltagun or Multi-melta +10 points

One model not carrying a special weapon may carry a Blessed Banner or Simulacrum Imperialis for +20 points.

 

May take an Immolator, Rhino or Repressor dedicated transport.

 

Supression Shield gives a 4++ invulnerable save and makes melee attacks Concussive.

[Spacefrisian]

Its stil a brainstorming round, not commenting on ideas round.

[BenjamminUK]

As far as the super-heavy infantry option goes (which you call 'tda'), how about a unit something like;

 

Ionians

 

Celestian stat line, 140 points

Sister Superior + 4 models base.

Power Armour with Aspiriate Cloak (2+ save).

Bolter, Bolt Pistol, Heavy Chainsword and Frag and Krak grenades standard.

Emperor's Shield Act of Faith (+2 to Invulnerable Saves until the start of their next turn)

 

Options;

Contain up to 5 more Ionians +25 points/model

Any model may exchange Bolter for Storm Bolter +3 points

Any model may exchange Heavy Chainsword for Power Weapon for +8 points

Any model may exchange Bolt Pistol or Bolter for Supression Shield for +5 points

Two models in 5 may exchange Heavy Chainsword for Eviscerator for +23 points

Two models in 5 may exchange Bolter for Flamer or Heavy Bolter +5 points

Two models in 5 may exchange Bolter for Meltagun or Multi-melta +10 points

 

May take an Immolator, Rhino or Repressor dedicated transport.

 

Supression Shield gives a 4++ invulnerable save and makes melee attacks Concussive.

 

Now that sounds awesome :-)

[Venerable Jazzman]

The problem with adding Land Raiders, bikes, TDA suits and trainees is that you effectively just turn Sisters into another Marine army with some special rules.

 

I'd like to see a return to the previous fluff/mechanics, where Sisters always have their backs to the wall but get stronger as the situation gets more desperate.

- take out the randomness of Acts of Faith - units should generate Faith points, and as they get destroyed their Faith points go back into the pool as the other Sisters take strength from their sacrifice.

- make Battle Sisters squads Vet+4, rather than Vet+9, which would allow you to take a Character in a Rhino.

 

More bits as I think about - haven't really done much thinking about Sisters of Battle for a long time.

[*Furyou Miko]

Well, personally I've always been half in favour of dropping Acts of Faith altogether and going back to rolling on the Sacred Rites table.

 

Sacred Rites is rolled for each unit led by a character (well, every unit now I guess) at the start of the game, and the effects of the Rite rolled last for the entire game (or at least until the character leaves the unit).

[Azatoth]

Its stil a brainstorming round, not commenting on ideas round.

Yes but if the brain storms off into the wrong direction it is better to lightningrod it asap. Your "brainstorming" is just a wishlist, and like most community codices just a power up.

[Naminé]

Why should priests be needed to unlock anything? A Canoness is a significant of the church too, you know.

 

I don't really agree with the idea of land raiders either, since canonically (and as Ecclesiarchs, canonisation is very important to us! boom boom) they're limited to Space Marine forces only, and we are not Space Marines (we're better).

 

Can you imagine the cries of 'cheese!' if someone showed up with something like;

 

HQ

Saint Celestine

ELITE

2x (Dominions, 4 meltaguns, repressor)

 

 

1x (Dominions, 4 flamers, repressor)

TROOP

2x (battle Sisters, 2 flamers, repressor)

FAST

2x (Seraphim, 2 hand flamers)

 

1x (Seraphim, 2 inferno pistols)

HEAVY

2x (Exorcist)

 

1x (Retributors, 4 heavy bolters)?

FORT

Aegis (Quad Gun)

 

Even just moving Dominions to Elites would open up some completely broken army lists.

 

As far as the super-heavy infantry option goes (which you call 'tda'), how about a unit something like;

 

Ionians

 

Celestian stat line, 140 points

Sister Superior + 4 models base.

Power Armour with Aspiriate Cloak (2+ save).

Bolter, Bolt Pistol, Heavy Chainsword and Frag and Krak grenades standard.

Emperor's Shield Act of Faith (+2 to Invulnerable Saves until the start of their next turn)

 

Options;

Contain up to 5 more Ionians +25 points/model

Any model may exchange Bolter for Storm Bolter +3 points

Any model may exchange Heavy Chainsword for Power Weapon for +8 points

Any model may exchange Bolt Pistol or Bolter for Supression Shield for +5 points

Two models in 5 may exchange Heavy Chainsword for Eviscerator for +23 points

Two models in 5 may exchange Bolter for Flamer or Heavy Bolter +5 points

Two models in 5 may exchange Bolter for Meltagun or Multi-melta +10 points

 

May take an Immolator, Rhino or Repressor dedicated transport.

 

Supression Shield gives a 4++ invulnerable save and makes melee attacks Concussive.

 

 

No simulcrum imperialis option for this unit? :)

 

 

I agree with Jazzman too that we should avoid turning them into another SM army if at all possible.

[Jolemai]

No Assassins, Inquisitors or other Imperium forces?

[Spacefrisian]

No Assassins, Inquisitors or other Imperium forces?

 

Added

[*Furyou Miko]

No Assassins, Inquisitors or other Imperium forces?

No.

Because this is Codex: Sisters of Battle, not Codex: Inquisition, Codex: Forces of the Imperium or Codex: Assassins.

Codex. Sisters. Of. Battle.

Why the heck would we have Inquisitors in our army list?

Also,

No simulcrum imperialis option for this unit?

I agree with Jazzman too that we should avoid turning them into another SM army if at all possible.

I overlooked the simulacrum. ^^; Should put that back.

[derpasaurus]

I'm actually perfectly cool with things as they are now, lol. I just want a book so I can stop carrying my laptop around referencing a pdf for magazines that don't even exist anymore. And maybe some plastic stuff. $18 for 3 models is... yeah....

 

Do like CSM, 10 models with options for Character and some special weapons for around $30 and I'll finish my army last week.

[AlphaErix]

I was at my local GW last Sunday and I overheard one of the staff talking to a customer about a rumored SoB codex and new finecast figures.  I normally wouldn't think much of it but it was the employee who brought up the topic.

[thade]

I was at my local GW last Sunday and I overheard one of the staff talking to a customer about a rumored SoB codex and new finecast figures.  I normally wouldn't think much of it but it was the employee who brought up the topic.

I (always) hate to say it, but the employees often know much less than the rumor mill. And my sources laugh at me each time I ask, "So, Sisters?" :( But I prefer hope so maaaaaaybe he's got some info we don't. Maybe. <3

[derpasaurus]

I saw on another of these boards actually there was a rumor at a Warhammer World event that perhaps the Sisters dex would be coming instead of the Eldar. of course the Eldar release is still a rumor, too, so who knows? lol

We can hope.

[Spacefrisian]

If i would get an euro for every rumour that appears on the web, than i would be rich by now.

[ValourousHeart]

I am most concerned with how Rites of Battle / Acts of Faith should work in our next codex.

 

Over the year the fluff tends to explain them as miricles, but the mechanics tend to be randomly applied veteran skills.

 

So my question to you guys is what do we want.... Veteran skills or miricles?

 

I vote for miricles... but that opens a huge can of worms about how to make a miricle on the table top. 

 

It would need to have just the right umph.

Rare enough that it is impressive when it happens

Just common enough that you opponent has a real concern of when and how it will happen.

And has a varied effects to represent getting help from God, but maybe not in the way you had expected.

[*Furyou Miko]

I say: both! We are supposed to be the best trained human fighting force in the galaxy, bar none. So we should get veteran skills like Stormtroopers or Veterans. Then we're the agents of the holy god emperor, so we should have our miracles.

 

Using a dual system means that we can make miracles truly rare and special, while not weakening the army more than it already is.

 

Perhaps with veteran skills, drop every Sisters unit by 3 points/model, then something like;

 

Specialist Training: Any Adepta Sororitas unit may be upgraded to have one of the following abilities for the listed points cost.

• Guiding Light: The unit gains the Preferred Enemy special rule. +3 points/model.
  
• Fusilliers: The unit's shooting attacks gain the Twin-Linked special rule. +3 points/model.
  
• Martyr's Devotion: The unit's Shield of Faith is improved by 2 points. +3 points/model.
  
• Divine Guidance: The unit's shooting attacks gain the Rending special rule. +4 points/model.
  
• Surety: The unit's attacks gain the Shred special rule. +4 points/model.

 

Acts of Faith: Every time an independent character with this rule dies or a unit with this rule is wiped out, the army gains one Faith Point. At any point, you may spend this Faith Point to activate one of the following effects;

• Light of the Emperor: Until the end of the next turn, all Adepta Sororitas units gain the And They Shall Know No Fear special rule.
  
• Spirit of the Martyr: Until the end of the next turn, any Adepta Sororitas model who is slain in close combat may immediately make their full number of attacks against the unit that slew her.
  
• Eternal Crusade: Until the end of the next turn, all Adepta Sororitas units gain the Crusader, Feel No Pain and Relentless special rules.
  
• Daughters of the Emperor: Until the end of the next turn, all Adepta Sororitas units gain the Rampage and Smash special rules.

[Spacefrisian]

I kind of like that, its less random and seems to fit.

 

On that note, a slight rework on Shield of faith could be put in place, its should give some more protection vs psychic powers targetted to a unit, seems to fit that sisters know a thing or 2 about avoiding psychic powers.

[*Furyou Miko]

Eh, not really. That's a holdover from the Witch Hunter codex. It's more general mental corruption that they're supposed to be resilient to. Maybe just a +2 to resist Telepathy powers?

[Naminé]

I would freaking use eternal crusade every chance I got lol... relentless blobs... mmm

[Eddie Orlock]

I was at my local GW last Sunday and I overheard one of the staff talking to a customer about a rumored SoB codex and new finecast figures. I normally wouldn't think much of it but it was the employee who brought up the topic.

I (always) hate to say it, but the employees often know much less than the rumor mill. And my sources laugh at me each time I ask, "So, Sisters?" But I prefer hope so maaaaaaybe he's got some info we don't. Maybe. <3

Few weeks back when I was in my local GeeDub I chatted with the staff about the rumours of the flyer supplement and when specifically to be online to catch it off the hop. http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271358-death-from-the-skies-released/ The day preceeding it they outright denied the possibility of this book and further advised me to not follow the rumour mill. Leads me to believe that they're corporately aware and take steps to manage it.

No Assassins, Inquisitors or other Imperium forces?

No.

Because this is Codex: Sisters of Battle, not Codex: Inquisition, Codex: Forces of the Imperium or Codex: Assassins.

Codex. Sisters. Of. Battle.

Why the heck would we have Inquisitors in our army list?

Humbug! It should be the Ecclesiastical codice holistically with all the agencies of the church, not just the ordo hereticus' chamber militant. I would like my Fratris volenteer cavalry back. I would also give them an excuse to release some of the 'non-combat' versions of the standard STC's that have been mentioned to exist in the background for decades as the support vehicles for the citizens militias. We could make all the Marine players jelous with open topped civilian transport 'Hippos' based on the RH1N0 chassis.

Heh, open topped rhino with a squardon of medium cav inside...

Of course we'd need sympathetic supervising Inquisitors to make sure that the priests don't exceed their mandates and maintain the militias under arms too long. Kinda like anti-commisars, so far as commisars are there to supplement zeal, they'd be their to reign in the zeal a bit.

[AlphaErix]

Personally, I don't care too much if they release a new codex or not.  I just don't want them to mess up the Sisters if they do make one.  Also, if they do release a new codex, I would actually prefer that they changed the acts of faith to something along the lines of the red thirst where it was rolled at deployment and if you got it you got it.  Then, if a squad has a character with a simulacrum, that squad can choose to re-roll that result each turn.

[thade]

Few weeks back when I was in my local GeeDub I chatted with the staff about the rumours of the flyer supplement and when specifically to be online to catch it off the hop. http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271358-death-from-the-skies-released/ The day preceeding it they outright denied the possibility of this book and further advised me to not follow the rumour mill. Leads me to believe that they're corporately aware and take steps to manage it.

I admit, I doubt that's the case for all of them; it may be the case for a few of them. Maybe.

 

Meanwhile, the rumor mill has a habit of churning out the big truths a good chunk of time before GW says a word about them; I feel like we all knew about the pending releases of Necrons, Dark Eldar, GK, and DA (to name a few) months before each. So, maybe that guy was in the know or maybe he got lucky; it's hard to say, having only one bullet point. My skepticism (sadly) endures.

[Naminé]

 

Few weeks back when I was in my local GeeDub I chatted with the staff about the rumours of the flyer supplement and when specifically to be online to catch it off the hop. http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/271358-death-from-the-skies-released/ The day preceeding it they outright denied the possibility of this book and further advised me to not follow the rumour mill. Leads me to believe that they're corporately aware and take steps to manage it.

I admit, I doubt that's the case for all of them; it may be the case for a few of them. Maybe.

 

Meanwhile, the rumor mill has a habit of churning out the big truths a good chunk of time before GW says a word about them; I feel like we all knew about the pending releases of Necrons, Dark Eldar, GK, and DA (to name a few) months before each. So, maybe that guy was in the know or maybe he got lucky; it's hard to say, having only one bullet point. My skepticism (sadly) endures.

 

Not to mention  6th edition :p