Ozeryk_Sleipnijr Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 How do you use your Blood Fangs. I am planning to take 15 of them with a wolf priest in runic armor to take one of my opponents objectives and take on hords of Nids and other squishy foes. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/272343-blood-fangs/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
MeatGrinder Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 Blood Claws? I dont usually take them, WS3 is just a bit meh in my opinion for the price I pay, I think theyre a little overcosted. Grey hunters are just infinitely better with their standard of overpowered. However, I used to run biker packs, 4 with a flamer, fist, attack bike with heavy bolter led by a WG with combimelta and fist and a WP on bike with runic armour. Preferred enemy infantry and fearless, with t5 and +2 attacks on the charge. Only problem is that they are pretty high cost and didnt often do as well as Id like. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/272343-blood-fangs/#findComment-3321255 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jester262 Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 I have a unit of them and they hardly ever live up to expectations. I plan on taking them out soon. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/272343-blood-fangs/#findComment-3321312 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squark Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 My personal opinion is that Blood Claws don't work unless you really, really build your army around their strengths. That means multiple units in Land Raider crusaders to take advantage of their high pack size, Logan Grimnar and/or Wolf Priests for force Multiplication, and probably guard allies to add cheap scoring units with heavy weapons teams to make up for the high cost of multiple land raiders carrying large numbers of marines. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/272343-blood-fangs/#findComment-3321352 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostwolfalpha Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 Swiftclaws are only worth it in groups or alongside TWC. The attack bike is a waste IMO, unless you need the fire support. I have done well with two packs of 4 with flamer and fist. I do agree that they are expensive for what they do, but space vikings on motorcycles is just plain cool. Using a Saga of the Hunter WP with a full pack of Blood Claws has always seemed like a cool idea. Give them a Wolf Guard in Terminator armour to take challenges and you have a monster of a unit to throw into someone's backfield, back them up with some fast moving units or Drop Pods and it sounds like trouble for your opponent's big guns and objectives. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/272343-blood-fangs/#findComment-3321359 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarl Deathwolf Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 I give the Wolf Priest Saga of the Hunter. Then I outflank with the whole pack and let havoc loose when they appear a few turns into the game. I trick them out with a TDA WG sergeant, a Wolf Priest (of course), a powerfist, and probably two flamers, since it wouldn't be inhibited by their BS3 and it would give them 2d3 Overwatch. I hate Skyclaws though. Swiftclaws are decent, but expensive. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/272343-blood-fangs/#findComment-3321367 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozeryk_Sleipnijr Posted March 5, 2013 Author Share Posted March 5, 2013 I give the Wolf Priest Saga of the Hunter. Then I outflank with the whole pack and let havoc loose when they appear a few turns into the game. I trick them out with a TDA WG sergeant, a Wolf Priest (of course), a powerfist, and probably two flamers, since it wouldn't be inhibited by their BS3 and it would give them 2d3 Overwatch. I hate Skyclaws though. Swiftclaws are decent, but expensive. This is exactly what I am thinking about and it gives me a fluff angle: All of the great companies have Blood Claws, at least pack of 15 at the very least. Imagine 13 x 4 attacks on the charge............. thats 52 attacks & a Rune Priest with prophecy nearby. That must be fun! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/272343-blood-fangs/#findComment-3321436 Share on other sites More sharing options...
skeletoro Posted March 7, 2013 Share Posted March 7, 2013 How are swiftclaws expensive? 7 attacks on the charge for 25 points? It's not a bad deal. For the price of a TWC you get 14 attacks. And the attack bike is 5 points extra. Hardly a bad deal! They do have weaknesses, but they're a pretty good unit. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/272343-blood-fangs/#findComment-3322852 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamWasKing Posted March 7, 2013 Share Posted March 7, 2013 They're only 4 attacks on the charge I think. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/272343-blood-fangs/#findComment-3322880 Share on other sites More sharing options...
skeletoro Posted March 7, 2013 Share Posted March 7, 2013 Relentless TL bolters and hammer of wrath adds 3 more - with 83-100% accuracy to boot! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/272343-blood-fangs/#findComment-3322975 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MeatGrinder Posted March 8, 2013 Share Posted March 8, 2013 Theyre still only WS and BS3, and upgrades are espensive, wheras TWC is twice the cost, for ws4, 2 wounds and 4 attacks basic with rending, S5 and are also cavalry. Its not that they are expensive, theyre overcosted in comparison with everything else. From experience, even with all the gubbins and a wolf priest and wg leading them, they just dont pull their weight like other units do. Theyre not a top combat unit (especially after the first round), and theyre not a great drive-by unit. Theyre kinda in-between. Their main downside is still their poor WS and BS. They probably would work however in tandem. Taking two squads and using them to support incoming pods. Littbitz used to use them last ed, but I havent seen them used since. I personally use lasplasrazor squads for that. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/272343-blood-fangs/#findComment-3323167 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamWasKing Posted March 8, 2013 Share Posted March 8, 2013 Relentless TL bolters and hammer of wrath adds 3 more - with 83-100% accuracy to boot! Your absolutely right sorry Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/272343-blood-fangs/#findComment-3323220 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozeryk_Sleipnijr Posted March 8, 2013 Author Share Posted March 8, 2013 Relentless TL bolters and hammer of wrath adds 3 more - with 83-100% accuracy to boot! Your absolutely right sorry umm some one please explain to a newbie? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/272343-blood-fangs/#findComment-3323462 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshall Bretton Posted March 8, 2013 Share Posted March 8, 2013 yeah im not sure there either, hammer of wrath gives you 1 bonus attack, but relentless and twin bolters giving bonus attacks in cc? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/272343-blood-fangs/#findComment-3323478 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLastHuzzah Posted March 8, 2013 Share Posted March 8, 2013 I think he was saying in total for one round. 4 attacks from the charge +1 HoW for the bikes in base and 2 rapid fire bolter shots per bike prior to them launching the assault. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/272343-blood-fangs/#findComment-3323494 Share on other sites More sharing options...
skeletoro Posted March 8, 2013 Share Posted March 8, 2013 Yep, that. Although I should have said 75-100% accuracy (TL BS3 , not 4) Relentless and HoW are big perks not to be ignored. Grey hunters and Blood Claws, for instance, only get a single bolt pistol shot before charging. Also, Swiftclaws can get in position on turn 1 with a 24" turbo boost, along with a 4+ cover save. That's pretty good, and they don't have to pay extra. Casualties while closing to melee is a Big Deal, IMO. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/272343-blood-fangs/#findComment-3323645 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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