Seahawk Posted March 8, 2013 Share Posted March 8, 2013 So, in reading through the new daemons codex I had a sad. A Grey Knight has been corrupted by Chaos! Here's the story though, to put it into context: A lone wandering "knight" of the Adeptus Astartes visits the realm of Slaanesh, "with a will as strong as silvered adamantium". He passes through the various circles of his domain, easily rebuffing the desires in each. Once he got to the golden fields with naked women the first cracks appear. Also, we see that marines still have a little bit goin' on there. "The knight held his breath and closed his eyes, for though mortal pleasures were forbidden to his order, part of him was still a man." Then: "The crooning nymphs gathered around the knight, stroking his silvered armor..." He slaughters them which is great, but still. Then we get to: "...reminding him of the executions he had performed in the Emperor's name. mirrored pools reflected the knight as a shining saint, his face serene but his sword bloodied as he artfully carved apart rank after rank of red-skinned Daemons. The warrior turned away, troubled." This, I feel, references the slaughter of Sisters of Battle to defeat Khorne. Derp. Finally, he reaches Slaanesh himself. "The knight unsheathed his rune-etched sword and made to strike him down. To his horror, he found that he could not, for the god-prince was disarming in his innocence and utterly beguiling in his manner. Even the purest flame can be extinguished by the tide. In that single moment of doubt the wanderer was lost. He knelt, bowing his head at least, and a single touch of the being's glowing sceptre on each shoulder sealed his fate for eternity." Discuss the ramifications of this fluff. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/272501-grey-knight-falls-to-chaos/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
IndigoJack Posted March 8, 2013 Share Posted March 8, 2013 I read that too. While it does certainly seem to point to a GK falling to chaos, there are many other chapters that are silver, and a rune etched sword can be any chapter relic. I'm not saying that it isn't a GK, it's very much open to interpretation. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/272501-grey-knight-falls-to-chaos/#findComment-3323749 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seahawk Posted March 8, 2013 Author Share Posted March 8, 2013 True, and that's the way GW likes to write. There's just too much going on that I would be hesitant to say that it's anyone BUT a Grey Knight. No other chapters are so resistant to Chaos, much less walk the realm, for instance. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/272501-grey-knight-falls-to-chaos/#findComment-3323758 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azekai Posted March 8, 2013 Share Posted March 8, 2013 It just seems to shore up the idea that the vaunted 'incorruptibility' of the GKs is not, in fact, word-of-god, unbiased truth, but rather what GKs are claimed to be. Anything human (or post-human) can indeed be corrupted. If the old Realm of Chaos haven't been [REDACTED], then the Emperor himself is not beyond the beguiling corruption of chaos. That being the case, there is no reason why some lesser mortals should be completely impervious. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/272501-grey-knight-falls-to-chaos/#findComment-3323762 Share on other sites More sharing options...
stephane4985 Posted March 8, 2013 Share Posted March 8, 2013 Personally I hope it is a GK. As it would finally put to rest the Crowe fiasco and the SOB blood soaking event. I like to think of them as being chosen because they have the strongest of will (and trained to get even stronger), not that they are immune to corruption. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/272501-grey-knight-falls-to-chaos/#findComment-3323765 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seahawk Posted March 8, 2013 Author Share Posted March 8, 2013 Well, a few pages later, it says they are incorruptible, so who knows really. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/272501-grey-knight-falls-to-chaos/#findComment-3323775 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted March 8, 2013 Share Posted March 8, 2013 Ramifications? Can we just ignore the entire new Daemon dex? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/272501-grey-knight-falls-to-chaos/#findComment-3323803 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DerekLee688 Posted March 8, 2013 Share Posted March 8, 2013 The bigger(est) "what if" in my mind, is that (by GW design) every codex is written/inspired by Tzeentch itself. How many times in this web site alone, have I seen it stated(hypothiszed) that all material readable about 40k is propiganda and embelishment. Most books have censors "by the inquisition", so most of what you read is editied by something beyond GW and their writers. The big question is how many(if any) books are written by Tzeentch and edited by the Inquisition? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/272501-grey-knight-falls-to-chaos/#findComment-3323825 Share on other sites More sharing options...
grimsanity Posted March 8, 2013 Share Posted March 8, 2013 Please let this fluff be correct. I've always wanted GKs of khorne Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/272501-grey-knight-falls-to-chaos/#findComment-3323833 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted March 8, 2013 Share Posted March 8, 2013 You've already got them! Bathed in the Blood of Khorne resistent, inncocent, Sisters of Battle. Blood for the Blood God!!!! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/272501-grey-knight-falls-to-chaos/#findComment-3323843 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Idaho Posted March 9, 2013 Share Posted March 9, 2013 I've always maintained the Codex material works by hyperbole and exaggeration, or just plain inaccurate deliberately. The truth will be covered in BL novels, as seen in The Chapter's Due. GK are incorruptible, just like the Emperor's noble Primarchs... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/272501-grey-knight-falls-to-chaos/#findComment-3324085 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted March 9, 2013 Share Posted March 9, 2013 Ah, BL novels... Where a GK Justicar kills for the Blood God. Logan easily decpitates a GKGM in a single swing before said GM can even draw his weapon. Every Chapter has faced, and defeated, Daemons. And a Techmarine kills a Talos by holding onto its back, pulling armour plates off it, before climbing inside. Oh and Marines constantly use belts of grenades to cause massive explosions. Or the BL books where a single squad of Marines single handidly decimate entire worlds of Xenos. I'm quite partial to the BL truth that the Dark Angels actually only have a single 'homeworld' and are all of native amrican stock. But that was retconned by Codexes. So it can't be true... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/272501-grey-knight-falls-to-chaos/#findComment-3324088 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Idaho Posted March 9, 2013 Share Posted March 9, 2013 Some times the truth hurts... :p Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/272501-grey-knight-falls-to-chaos/#findComment-3324101 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valkyrion Posted March 9, 2013 Share Posted March 9, 2013 The difference between this piece of fluff and the khorne/sisters fluff is that in this piece of fluff the silver armoured marine actually is corrupted. The Khorne/Sisters fluff does NOT corrupt the Grey Knights - it influences them, it affects them, but nowhere after that piece of fluff do the Grey Knights turn or become servants of khorne. Just because I have a hangover doesn't mean I'm an alcoholic - it just means I've been affected and influenced by the vast quantities of beer I've supped, but a few hours later I'll be fine. Ditto the GK, I mean we all do daft things when we're drunk... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/272501-grey-knight-falls-to-chaos/#findComment-3324143 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted March 9, 2013 Share Posted March 9, 2013 Yeah, those GK definiatley santified those kills to the Emperor... And if Khorne 'influences' you, how is that any different to corruption? What is being courrupted by a Chaos God? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/272501-grey-knight-falls-to-chaos/#findComment-3324201 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dswanick Posted March 9, 2013 Share Posted March 9, 2013 The Khorne/Sisters fluff does NOT corrupt the Grey Knights - it influences them, it affects them, but nowhere after that piece of fluff do the Grey Knights turn or become servants of khorne.Nor do they need to "turn or become servants", they are already servants of the Chaos Gods. Lock, stock, and barrel. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/272501-grey-knight-falls-to-chaos/#findComment-3324217 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper Posted March 9, 2013 Share Posted March 9, 2013 The Khorne/Sisters fluff does NOT corrupt the Grey Knights - itinfluences them, it affects them, but nowhere after that piece of fluff do the Grey Knights turn or become servants of khorne. They clearly aren't willing servants of Khorne. But they serve him no matter what. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/272501-grey-knight-falls-to-chaos/#findComment-3324222 Share on other sites More sharing options...
thade Posted March 9, 2013 Share Posted March 9, 2013 Can we just ignore the entire new Daemon dex?The rules? Not really. The fluff? I mean, I've been ignoring most of the fluff in recent codecies anyway. We are allowed to take what we wish and discard what we don't in that area. A. D-B. and others have said "There is no canon" after all. <3 That said, at least it took a freakin' god to turn this random Grey Knight. Since it's Slaanesh we get to blame the Eldar. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/272501-grey-knight-falls-to-chaos/#findComment-3324272 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Idaho Posted March 9, 2013 Share Posted March 9, 2013 It's pretty consistent when you think about it. Slaanesh was often described as irresistible to any mortal who might gaze upon him. Grey Knights have never faced him directly therefore have not come across this irresistible force. Now it's happened it's fairly logical. The only problem is going forward we'll read a new Codex GK and it'll tell us they have never been corrupted. However I think this just highlights my position that each Codex gives a coloured version of events. It could be the Daemons Codex is lying or exaggerating. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/272501-grey-knight-falls-to-chaos/#findComment-3324291 Share on other sites More sharing options...
thade Posted March 9, 2013 Share Posted March 9, 2013 The only problem is going forward we'll read a new Codex GK and it'll tell us they have never been corrupted. However I think this just highlights my position that each Codex gives a coloured version of events. It could be the Daemons Codex is lying or exaggerating.I still see "Draigo and Friends" and "Blood Angels allying with Necrons" being seditious lies and made up tales of some hiveworld miner for his children. You know, the kind of stories that persist for a month or two prior to Exterminatus. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/272501-grey-knight-falls-to-chaos/#findComment-3324331 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted March 9, 2013 Share Posted March 9, 2013 And the GKs *can't* be as stupid to allow Crowe to, well, allow Crowe... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/272501-grey-knight-falls-to-chaos/#findComment-3324393 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Idaho Posted March 9, 2013 Share Posted March 9, 2013 Wow, just imagine the damage to the galaxy when the GK fall. They'll bring down everything with how much apocalypse geared equipment they have left about. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/272501-grey-knight-falls-to-chaos/#findComment-3324493 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted March 9, 2013 Share Posted March 9, 2013 They'd just activate the Terminus Decree. ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/272501-grey-knight-falls-to-chaos/#findComment-3324494 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeratul29 Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 Dear god, all the grey knights turing chaos would be horirible, or all being wiped out at once by tau psyk out bombs Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/272501-grey-knight-falls-to-chaos/#findComment-3324611 Share on other sites More sharing options...
IndigoJack Posted March 11, 2013 Share Posted March 11, 2013 I knew it was only a matter of time before this thread devolved into a matt ward hate-fest... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/272501-grey-knight-falls-to-chaos/#findComment-3325260 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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