Gentlemanloser Posted March 9, 2013 Share Posted March 9, 2013 How does Fliers minimum movement and Deep Strike interact? But GL you say, GW recently via FAQs and the Death from the Skies suppliment removed Deep Strike from all fliers. Don't be silly this is a non issue now! Well, what happens with a Flying Monstrous Creature that has the Deep Strike rule? Can they enter play Gliding? BRB FAQ; Q: Does a Flying Monstorus Creature that arrives via Deep Strike count as arriving in Swoop mode? A: Yes BRB; Swooping; It must move at least 12" BRB; Deep Strike; In the Movernent phase during which they arrive, deep striking units may not move any further and obviously count as having moved in the previous Movernent phase Yes, obviously. But how far? Vehicles count as moving cruising speed, but there's nothing specified for non vehicles. Do you count as having moved 6"? 12" The maximum you are allowed to move? Has a Deep Striking Flying Monstrous Creature 'moved at least 12'? As FMC don't have the 'crash and burn' rule, what happens if it doesn't move (edit: fail!) more than 12"? What happens if it *can't*? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/272555-deep-striking-fliers/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
stephane4985 Posted March 9, 2013 Share Posted March 9, 2013 That's weird. I have never noticed that they really says it must move at least 12 inch but doesn't say anything about what happens if it doesn't. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/272555-deep-striking-fliers/#findComment-3324451 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seahawk Posted March 9, 2013 Share Posted March 9, 2013 "Vehicles count as having moved at Cruising Speed." (BRB, p.36) "If a Flyer Zooms, it has a Combat Speed of 18" and a Cruising Speed of 36". (BRB, p.80) So, a Deep Striking Flyer counts as having moved at Cruising Speed, or 36". I don't see a problem. A Deep Striking FMC, on the other hand, is not covered by the rules, so make something up until they are. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/272555-deep-striking-fliers/#findComment-3324479 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted March 9, 2013 Author Share Posted March 9, 2013 Seahawk, there are no more Flying Vehicles that are able to Deep Strike. The recent FAQs and DftS suppliment removed DS from every Flyer that previously could. They didn't touch FMC though. And the new Codex introduced a few of them... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/272555-deep-striking-fliers/#findComment-3324485 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seahawk Posted March 9, 2013 Share Posted March 9, 2013 Forgeworld flyers, smart guy. ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/272555-deep-striking-fliers/#findComment-3324505 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted March 9, 2013 Author Share Posted March 9, 2013 Ah! /meh, who cares about forgeworld! They break the rules by default! ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/272555-deep-striking-fliers/#findComment-3324508 Share on other sites More sharing options...
nurglez Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 How does Fliers minimum movement and Deep Strike interact? But GL you say, GW recently via FAQs and the Death from the Skies suppliment removed Deep Strike from all fliers. Don't be silly this is a non issue now! Well, what happens with a Flying Monstrous Creature that has the Deep Strike rule? Can they enter play Gliding? BRB FAQ; Q: Does a Flying Monstorus Creature that arrives via Deep Strike count as arriving in Swoop mode? A: Yes BRB; Swooping; >It must move at least 12" BRB; Deep Strike; In the Movernent phase during which they arrive, deep striking units may not move any further and obviously count as having moved in the previous Movernent phase Yes, obviously. But how far? Vehicles count as moving cruising speed, but there's nothing specified for non vehicles. Do you count as having moved 6"? 12" The maximum you are allowed to move? Has a Deep Striking Flying Monstrous Creature 'moved at least 12'? As FMC don't have the 'crash and burn' rule, what happens if it doesn't move (edit: fail!) more than 12"? What happens if it *can't*? I don't see the issue, really. What does it matter how far a deep striking FMC has moved? It's swooping, thats the main thing. As the rules specify, it can't move further, it's done its swoop move onto anywhere on the table. Feel free to enlighten me if I'm just being simple. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/272555-deep-striking-fliers/#findComment-3324547 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raeven Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 I agree with nurglez. There is no conflict here. FMC's have no penalties for moving less than 12". They don't crash and burn or make a grouding test. They simply cannot move less than 12" if they declared they were Swooping at the beginning of the turn. Deep strike counts you as already having moved and the FAQ states you arrive in Swoop mode. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/272555-deep-striking-fliers/#findComment-3324581 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted March 10, 2013 Author Share Posted March 10, 2013 Becuase if a Swooping FMC must move at least 12", and DS's 'count as moving' doesn't 'count as moving 12+', then a FMC can't DS. As you would be voluntarily choosing a deployment option that conflicted with FMC movement rules. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/272555-deep-striking-fliers/#findComment-3324798 Share on other sites More sharing options...
nurglez Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 Though as the rulebook specifies that you can deep strike, and it counts as swooping, there is no conflict. Apart from strictly RAW (which the rulebook deals with). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/272555-deep-striking-fliers/#findComment-3324890 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fibonacci Posted March 11, 2013 Share Posted March 11, 2013 Forgeworld flyers, smart guy. Then it is up to FW to fix their rules. Ask them. And good luck with them fixing their rules! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/272555-deep-striking-fliers/#findComment-3325462 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seahawk Posted March 11, 2013 Share Posted March 11, 2013 They do it better and quicker than GW ever does. ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/272555-deep-striking-fliers/#findComment-3325514 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fibonacci Posted March 11, 2013 Share Posted March 11, 2013 LOL Which is why they still have deep striking flyers? Besides, I'm still waiting for the 5th edition update for my Repressors. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/272555-deep-striking-fliers/#findComment-3325651 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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