recon0321 Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 I have tried and failed several times to do a IA and every time I burn out on the idea... So please help me With this new concept... How can I bring these bitz together and have it work please help... Basically knightly wolves???? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/272594-knights-wolves-and-dark-angel-bitz/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cod Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 Well you could use space wolf bits (wolf tails, wolf pelts) mixed with black templar and/or dark angel bits (knight helms, shields, weapons etc). Maybe even warhammer fantasy will give you wolfy bits. Which codex were you thinking of using? In a DA novel there is mention on Caliban of 'Lupus Knights' that fought against 'The Order'. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/272594-knights-wolves-and-dark-angel-bitz/#findComment-3325108 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Octavulg Posted March 11, 2013 Share Posted March 11, 2013 Play my Ice Lords. No, seriously. They're knightly, they're DA successors, and the upstart youngsters who think the rest of the chapter's too nice use wolf iconography. You have to like light blue and be OK with a relatively young chapter, but I think they're pretty fun. Hell, the wolf thing exists to deal with your exact problem. Other than that...tough call. Depends how many wolf bits you have. A DA successor who hates the Wolves (for some reason) and who attacks them and takes trophies of it might work (they'd probably have to be traitors, obviously). Another option would be a Blood Angels successor who live on some kind of barbaric planet and who admire the local wolves. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/272594-knights-wolves-and-dark-angel-bitz/#findComment-3325146 Share on other sites More sharing options...
recon0321 Posted March 11, 2013 Author Share Posted March 11, 2013 Octavulg Hmmm might consider it...THANKS only thing I would ask is what colors would you like me to use? Caldor sky? Would ask you about robe and tabard colors? Also would need to figure out the chapter badge and how to figure it out on a wide scale... Or I could basically do the knights lupus idea Knights on a Feudal world ( incorporates the DA bitz ) could maybe use the Maltese crosses as a honor badge or something similar? ( incorporates the BT bitz ) the BT chains could be described as always ready to defend the imperium? They could also look to the predatory animals on the planet for inspiration? ( explains the wolf influence ). Also thought of using some GK bitz for more knightly flavor? I would like a younger chapter 25th founding? Dorn or Jonson gene seed? Now codex? DA or SW? Combat doctrine would vary based on gene seed Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/272594-knights-wolves-and-dark-angel-bitz/#findComment-3325228 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Octavulg Posted March 11, 2013 Share Posted March 11, 2013 Hmmm might consider it...THANKS only thing I would ask is what colors would you like me to use? Caldor sky? Would ask you about robe and tabard colors? Also would need to figure out the chapter badge and how to figure it out on a wide scale...Colors: any kind of ice blue or sky blue is probably close enough. Vallejo ice blue is pretty close, according to the B&C Painter. Ice Blue, white, and whatever colors you want your squads to be (Red Squad, Blue Squad, etc). Robe and tabards...I did dark green (as you can see from the mediocrely painted guy in my profile pic). Red could also work. It's all good. Chapter badge is in the IA (in my sig). It's kind of complicated, so for tabletop use I just do a black diamond with three large icicles hanging from the top (basically the fancy chapter symbol without the hard-to-paint angel). I'm thinking of adding a broken sword, just to liven it up a bit. To give you a bit more about them: they're fairly noble. Their training cadre were secretly Fallen (who had killed the original training cadre). The rest of the chapter doesn't know this, for obvious reasons, and they make sure to keep other Marines a long way from the rest of the Dark Angels. Their Chapter Master believes Jonson betrayed his oaths to Caliban by bombarding the place and killing the civilian population, and so they've rejected the various Unforgiven aspects and try to give their fellow DA chapters a wide berth. Most of the chapter believes in defending the Imperial population and other noble stuff like that, but the Wolves (as they're known) believe that that holds the chapter back, and the people should defend themselves while the chapter takes the fight to the enemy. They like aerospace assets and Terminator armor. Their home world is an ice world with flying cities from the Dark Age of Technology - their fortress monastery was on one which has since crashed, which has made it a pain to reach (but very secure). Taramant (their Chapter Master) is the guy in my icon. Or I could basically do the knights lupus ideaIt's never lupus. It occurs to me that reference is aging quite quickly. Knights on a Feudal world ( incorporates the DA bitz ) could maybe use the Maltese crosses as a honor badge or something similar? ( incorporates the BT bitz ) the BT chains could be described as always ready to defend the imperium? They could also look to the predatory animals on the planet for inspiration? ( explains the wolf influence ). Also thought of using some GK bitz for more knightly flavor?For the Maltese crosses, I'd recommend personal heraldry. In Rogue Trader days, Captains' personal heraldry was reflected in their company heraldry (or possibly the other way around). Your company clearly just has the Maltese cross as part of their heraldry. That, or you could use some green stuff and make them into Crux Terminatuses. I wouldn't worry too much about explaining the chains - this is 40K. People are weird with that stuff. With the wolves, I'd work in some fur capes and stuff, too. Make them look kind of like WH Fantasy Chaos Warriors, if you know what I mean. I would like a younger chapter 25th founding? Dorn or Jonson gene seed?26th is the most recent. 25th is M40, IIRC. I'd go Jonson over Dorn, just because it's easier to explain the angels.Now codex? DA or SW?Personally, I'd go DA. Though SW have their pluses. It depends on what sorts of units you want and the feel you want for your army. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/272594-knights-wolves-and-dark-angel-bitz/#findComment-3325243 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firepower Posted March 11, 2013 Share Posted March 11, 2013 I use them all on my Black Templars :D As for an IA...no idea. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/272594-knights-wolves-and-dark-angel-bitz/#findComment-3325273 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reyner Posted March 11, 2013 Share Posted March 11, 2013 Knightly wolves? Check out the Knights of the White Wolf from Fantasy! Off the top of my head I can't remember their beliefs but a 40k version of them would allow you to use DA, SW and templary bits. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/272594-knights-wolves-and-dark-angel-bitz/#findComment-3325557 Share on other sites More sharing options...
recon0321 Posted March 12, 2013 Author Share Posted March 12, 2013 Reyner Thanks that's a great idea...I need to make them a little different tho...but overall a great idea aren't they mentioned in the sigmar trilogy? I will definitely expand on this... Octavulg Would you mind if I used a similar idea of yor wolves within the chapter? I was thinking the more wolfish the marine the higher they are in the chapter command? How could I use the chapter as far as worshipping wolves? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/272594-knights-wolves-and-dark-angel-bitz/#findComment-3325942 Share on other sites More sharing options...
recon0321 Posted March 12, 2013 Author Share Posted March 12, 2013 Hmmm they are also called the templars of ulric, could they be a SW suspected chapter similar to the red wolves? Gene seed UNKNOWN... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/272594-knights-wolves-and-dark-angel-bitz/#findComment-3325943 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Octavulg Posted March 13, 2013 Share Posted March 13, 2013 I'm not entirely sure. My guys admire the wolves of their home world because the wolves are strong and powerful. But, at the same time, they're a minority in the chapter who aren't exactly doing well out of that. Admiring wolves is certainly very possible, but you'd probably have to go about it in a different way than me just because you want it to be a good thing rather than a bad thing. The SW geneseed is definitely no longer used, and there's a very good argument for it never having been used (except maybe in the Cursed Founding). Cursed Founding has its own issues. For a while, the Ice Lords were a Cursed Founding chapter who were an attempt to stabilize the Space Wolf geneseed with Dark Angels seed. You'd just need to figure out how that would go wrong (werewolfism, the geneseed fighting with itself and creating some kind of mutants, the minds of the marines slowly becoming more and more wolfish even if their outsides are normal, etc.). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/272594-knights-wolves-and-dark-angel-bitz/#findComment-3327212 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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