Brother Keyaetus Posted March 12, 2013 Share Posted March 12, 2013 Hey folks, So I've been using the Dragon Ogre Shaggoth model for a while now as a Unarmoured (and sometimes armoured when I just say iron hide/scales) daemon prince of khorne (painted red ofcourse!), and even Skarbrand the odd time, and that got me thinking the other day. How would the new Dragon Ogre models make for Bloodcrusher replacements if I had that Dragon Ogre Shaggoth in my army already either as Skarbrand or a Daemon prince, and have them painted accordingly, reckon they could fit in alright? Considering buying three or maybe six eventually after I get the new codex. Its not that I dont like the current models, dont get me wrong, juggernauts look amazing, its just those new Dragon ogres look even better. Also..reckon it'd be dreadnaught sized bases I'd need for them? Cheers folks! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/272664-bloodcrusher-replacements/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheex Posted March 12, 2013 Share Posted March 12, 2013 I'd hold off until you see the codex and are sure you still want to use Juggernauts. Their poor saves and low Toughness (for a deathstart-type unit) are their biggest downsides; even their increased Wounds do not really make up for it. Don't get me wrong, they can still work - they're just incredibly fragile and die like flies to missile launchers and the like. You'd need to be super careful in getting them to reach the enemy. That said, I think your idea certainly sounds cool. They'd almost definitely be best on Dreadnought-sized bases, since that's the same size that Juggernauts come on. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/272664-bloodcrusher-replacements/#findComment-3326056 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Keyaetus Posted March 12, 2013 Author Share Posted March 12, 2013 Yeah I've been hearing the horror stories of Juggernauts but I think now that they are calvary that I wouldn't mind them too much, I guess they could go along with my flesh hounds (Chaos hound models, have around 20, probably wouldn't use that many though), will break of the monotony of my Khorne horde army I plan on making, I've even been tempted to replace the bloodletter models with Beastmen Gor models, think it suits the metal beastial style, but not too sure on that yet. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/272664-bloodcrusher-replacements/#findComment-3326082 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Sage Posted March 12, 2013 Share Posted March 12, 2013 To me, they sadly don`t look as if they are worth their points anymore :( The unit gets better if you buff it with psy of course, but... Anyway. They cost too much IMO. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/272664-bloodcrusher-replacements/#findComment-3326278 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Ambroz Posted March 12, 2013 Share Posted March 12, 2013 Yeah some of my favorite daemon models are now horrible....so lame. Plus side fleshhounds are still decent. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/272664-bloodcrusher-replacements/#findComment-3326292 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Sage Posted March 12, 2013 Share Posted March 12, 2013 Yeah some of my favorite daemon models are now horrible....so lame. Plus side fleshhounds are still decent. IMO more than decent (Fleashounds that is). Only thing that is against the dogs is that most everything in that particular slot is very good. But yes...I love, like you, Crushers even though I dont own the models (always wanted a few though). They are rather sad now compared to other choices though. But really its all about cost, and IMO they just cost a bit too much. They do have one positive factor goinng for them though, and that is the abillity to have an Icon. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/272664-bloodcrusher-replacements/#findComment-3326302 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Ambroz Posted March 12, 2013 Share Posted March 12, 2013 Oh yeah if they were like 10-15 points cheaper even they might be more worth it. I've got a couple boxes of them which are going to be pretty useless until (if ever) the next book comes out. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/272664-bloodcrusher-replacements/#findComment-3326352 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheex Posted March 13, 2013 Share Posted March 13, 2013 I don't think Bloodcrushers will be completely useless - they're just too fragile to use as a deathstar unit any more. I'm beginning to think that the best way to run them would be in smaller packs, and use them as a kind of "glass scalpel" - they'd be fragile but very fast, and can easily handle isolated scoring units. Keep the unit small to avoid attention, and avoid anything with S8 or higher (power fist sergeants shouldn't be much of a worry, though). They could be ok as ablative wounds for a Juggernaut Herald, but I feel that they are simply too expensive for that role. Flesh Hounds seem to fit that job far better, IMHO. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/272664-bloodcrusher-replacements/#findComment-3326842 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Ambroz Posted March 13, 2013 Share Posted March 13, 2013 Still alot of points for a glass scalpel. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/272664-bloodcrusher-replacements/#findComment-3326981 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Sage Posted March 13, 2013 Share Posted March 13, 2013 I guess they can work if you take a very small unit with 2-3 Khorne heralds, albeit that to would be very expensive. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/272664-bloodcrusher-replacements/#findComment-3326998 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Keyaetus Posted March 13, 2013 Author Share Posted March 13, 2013 Well I dont know if I can back up the bloodcrusher debate yet since I'm unsure of their cost, Im thinking its half of a faq'd Hellbrute per bloodcrusher. Either way I think they will do fine, people will just need to learn to use them differently. Their speed now is a great bonus, I think they are still just as killy from what I hear, and the extra wound is nice, all you have to watch out for is instant death, and just play them smartly. Really good for bringing in a squad and then another due to a musician..or whatever that new rule is...damn warp is messing with my funds for getting this new book already! I think the key to mono khorne is just target saturation, especially if you plan on deploying the majority on the table. Sure bloodcrushers look scary, but ifthey are getting shot it means hounds wont be hit as bad, your few 15-20 man bloodletters are less damaged, as are your monstrous creatures and maybe chariot/soulgrinders. Im just thinking of bloodletters as slightly more expensive orc boys these days but worth the points since they always have the save, can deepstrike, ap3, and better strength in trade for tougness. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/272664-bloodcrusher-replacements/#findComment-3327002 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Idaho Posted March 13, 2013 Share Posted March 13, 2013 I don't think they're that bad. They aren't any easier to kill than Tyranid Warriors or Ork Nobz, and they have saturation on their side. If you shoot missile launchers and the like at them then you ain't firing at MCs, chariots and vehicles. If you try and torrent them to death with bolters you got 3 wounds a model to get through. They are super fast too. I think it's too early to write them off. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/272664-bloodcrusher-replacements/#findComment-3327018 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Sage Posted March 13, 2013 Share Posted March 13, 2013 I don't think they're that bad. They aren't any easier to kill than Tyranid Warriors or Ork Nobz, and they have saturation on their side. If you shoot missile launchers and the like at them then you ain't firing at MCs, chariots and vehicles. If you try and torrent them to death with bolters you got 3 wounds a model to get through. They are super fast too.) You may be right, Idaho. As for the above poster, it would be slightly foolish of me to post the points cost below the post of a MOD (heh), but if you are not new to chaos daemons, then you will know how much they cost if I tell you that they now cost exactly 5 points more than they did before ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/272664-bloodcrusher-replacements/#findComment-3327025 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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