Non Primarch fights we would like to read.

[Excessus]

Wow, 2½ year necro! :D

 

 

Hmm...the Emperor's Children are out and about on Terra, I wonder if they are duelling someone? Any EC boss vs Arik Taranis...I can't wait for them to be splattered into a pulp by him!

[DuskRaider]

I forgot about the Thunder Warriors!

[Iron Hands Fanatic]

Okay, so Tybalt Marr gets a load of help from other Traitor fleets, gets the drop on Meduson, they duel, Marr almost kills him, Meduson's fleet is in ruins.

But then....

Realspace is torn open and the flagship of the arriving fleet is none other than the Red Talon - Mor teleports in, tears out Marr's spine or summin', Clan Moarragul wrecks the Traitors, Mor ignores Meduson's thanks & pleas to join his Shattered Legion forces and just leaves like a badass

Oh, and because Mor's awesomeness is exponential & he's done nuking cities and dropping moons onto planets, he makes a sun go supernova, or creates a black hole or something

[Memento Of Prospero]

Okay, so Tybalt Marr gets a load of help from other Traitor fleets, gets the drop on Meduson, they duel, Marr almost kills him, Meduson's fleet is in ruins.

But then....

Realspace is torn open and the flagship of the arriving fleet is none other than the Red Talon - Mor teleports in, tears out Marr's spine or summin', Clan Moarragul wrecks the Traitors, Mor ignores Meduson's thanks & pleas to join his Shattered Legion forces and just leaves like a badass

Oh, and because Mor's awesomeness is exponential & he's done nuking cities and dropping moons onto planets, he makes a sun go supernova, or creates a black hole or something

Autek Mor: could give no fraks about the laws of physics. Also see executive BAMF.

-Imperial Dictionary

[depthcharge12]

Okay, so Tybalt Marr gets a load of help from other Traitor fleets, gets the drop on Meduson, they duel, Marr almost kills him, Meduson's fleet is in ruins.

But then....

Realspace is torn open and the flagship of the arriving fleet is none other than the Red Talon - Mor teleports in, tears out Marr's spine or summin', Clan Moarragul wrecks the Traitors, Mor ignores Meduson's thanks & pleas to join his Shattered Legion forces and just leaves like a badass

Oh, and because Mor's awesomeness is exponential & he's done nuking cities and dropping moons onto planets, he makes a sun go supernova, or creates a black hole or something

I totally would hate losing Marr...but seeing Mor doing some hilarious hijinks is nothing to pass up.

Maybe he shoves him into a teleporter and it dissassembles him.

[Iron Hands Fanatic]

Okay, so Tybalt Marr gets a load of help from other Traitor fleets, gets the drop on Meduson, they duel, Marr almost kills him, Meduson's fleet is in ruins.

But then....

Realspace is torn open and the flagship of the arriving fleet is none other than the Red Talon - Mor teleports in, tears out Marr's spine or summin', Clan Moarragul wrecks the Traitors, Mor ignores Meduson's thanks & pleas to join his Shattered Legion forces and just leaves like a badass

Oh, and because Mor's awesomeness is exponential & he's done nuking cities and dropping moons onto planets, he makes a sun go supernova, or creates a black hole or something

I totally would hate losing Marr...but seeing Mor doing some hilarious hijinks is nothing to pass up.

Maybe he shoves him into a teleporter and it dissassembles him.

Teleports him into a sun

[Slips]

Teleports the Sun to them.

[Soldier of Dorn]

Teleports the Sun to them.

 

And because he's so badass, Mor endures it all.

[depthcharge12]

Teleports the Sun to them.

In soviet imperium, sun teleports into you.

 

Edit:

 

What about Mor v. Tyranis????

Thunder warrior bro down of the millennia.

[Prodigal Son of Magnus]

 

 

Otherwise, why didn't Magnus Murder Russ?

Russ was described as a potent anti-psyker...so he's a special exception.

 

In general, powerful psykers do enjoy a tremendous advantage over non-psykers...combat precog, warp lightning/fire, enhanced physical stats, telekinesis, blood boil, mind control, mind reading, etc.

 

Any one of the above is a massive bonus to combat effectiveness

 

It's kinda like a bolter vs. a combat knife. Yeah, in some situations, a combat knife would win (e.g. really close range)...but in most situations, the bolter wins.

 

Same with powerful psykers vs. non-psykers...in most situations, psychic powers are fight-ending

Sure, we can discount Primarchs. Thus far, word bearer apostles are getting their asses kicked pretty soundly in duels.

 

You seem to assume that psykers are on par with non-psykers in raw combat ability, and that their powers make them instantly better. (Khârn VS Erebus for example) The pursuit of psychic power comes at a tremendous cost. Powerful Psykers do not spend time in the training. We have yet to see a psyker who managed both. Some have their power focused on a more ritualistic level. Thyphon is a pretty weak psyker when you think of it. The thousand swordsman is but a low level empath. The fact that he can feel his opponent's emotion is what made him good. Not his combat skills who fel flat quickly to a proper martial swordsman, who's had his ass kickds by half the galaxy's champions. So he makes up for a not so spectacular technique with his psykic powers. This is why the librarian invariably translates into a weaker stat line than a captain or chapter master/praetor. They are not space marines +1. Sometimes it just means it evens the odds that they can enhance themselves or debuff their opponents. Being able to enhance your strenght or durability does not make you any better with weilding a blade.

 

I like your analogy of bolter Vs combat knife. Because what it really means when properly applied to the context is that the bolter is more useful in a pletora of situations, but I know which one I would rather have in a close quarter engagement: the knife. The bolter is too unwieldy for such context.

 

Many powerful psyker abilites demand a great deal of concentration, gesturing or even channeling to be called into action, to devastating effects on a battlefield. However, that translates poorly into a dueling situation as it disrupts the above.

 

As for the mentioned psyker powers, they are not so pivotal as one might think. Warp lightning/fire is not a complete trump against power armour, even less agaist artificer armour. Procog is great, but you need to have the proper combat expertise to known what to do with it. Mind reading as already been demonstrate to be flawed. Telekenis is nice, that's granted. I have yet to see any combat application of mind control.

-Other than Erebus' duel with Khârn I don't believe an apostle has lost in single combat. And on the subject of apostles, Kor Phaeron defeated Guilliman with only psychic powers....

-I'm not saying that they are even in martial skill with the powers on top I'm simply saying that psychic powers by themselves are such an overwhelming advantage that swordsmanship isn't relevant.

-Lucius was getting his A** kicked until he flew into a Slaanesh-impowered rage, which is the only reason he best Sanakht. Also, the audiobook mentions how he could have saved himself with a Kine Shield but didn't because of honor so Ahriman did it for him.

-And to be fair to poor Lucius, he's only lost to one person in a true duel and he is quite possibly the biggest Mary Sue in BL history.

-Librarians having weaker stats is due to game balance, not a reflection of fluff.

-I take the Bolter to Combat knife apology as the same as bringing a gun to a knife fight. You can be the best knife fighter in the world, but if the other guy has a gun, your screwed.

-Many psychic powers do require concentration, but those are often the more spectacular ones. Things as simple as telekinesis or a fireball don't require complex incantations.

-Some powers can be blocked by power armor, but most aren't. It doesn't even require a power psyker. Ruven from the Night Lords was a mid level Psyker and he killed an entire squad without difficulty.

-For Precog, assuming you can move close to or as fast as your opponent and endure for as long as he can, you will never be hit.

[Slips]

And I'm going to go ahead and say that that discussion more or less ends with that since it doesn't really relate to Non-Primarch Fights Between Characters but how much of a Leg up Psychic Powers would actually give you in a fight.

 

If y'all want to discuss that, make a new topic for it.