Non Primarch fights we would like to read.

[A D-B]

I think Abaddon and Sigismund will beat anyone they come up against. Personal combat is one of their primary strengths, even if we've seen precious little of it from either of them.

 

Sevatar is as skilled as almost any First Captain (that's why he's a First Captain) but he still had to cheat and disqualify himself rather than risk losing to Sigismund in a duel. 

[Mantras]

No-one really mentioning it, I'd like to see Sharrokyn Nykona (sp???) the Raven Guard from Angel Exterminatus vs Abaddon. 

[W0lfie]

Yes, I do realise this is gonna come down to a lot of 'my man is better than your man'm squabbling but still. I was gonna post this on the Primarch vs Primarch topic but I though it was a better idea to start a new one. So, yeah, which non primarch would we like to read or read in more detail? Mine are...

 

Raldoran vs Sigismund

 

Ahriman vs Khârn

 

Sevatar vs Abadon

 

Cerberus Loken vs Little Horus

 

and Constantin Valdor vs Lucius

 

I think I'd switch Valdor and Sevatar here, so it would look more like:

 

Raldoran vs. Sigismund

Ahriman vs. Khârn

Sevatar vs. Lucius

Loken vs. Little Horus

Valdor vs. Abaddon

 

Here, I would give it to sigismund, sevatar, Loken and Valdor, with the second one depending on Khârn's resistance to sorcery.

Reason for my rearranging: Valdor is the most senior, most elite member of the emperor's personal bodyguard, the custodes.  Abaddon is the same, for Horus's force, the Justaerin.  The chief bodyguard of the imperial chief vs. the chief bodyguard of the chief heretic, hehehe.  I put Sevatar with Lucius because there is a nice contrast; Lucius devoted every moment to mastering swordsmanship, whereas Sevatar is just naturally a much, much better fighter than just about anyone, even HE doesn't seem sure why he is so much faster/stronger/more skilled than those around him.  Lucius's opposite, in a way.

[W0lfie]

I think Abaddon and Sigismund will beat anyone they come up against. Personal combat is one of their primary strengths, even if we've seen precious little of it from either of them.

 

Then again...Valdor is the man charged with guarding the life of the most important individual in existence...and has 900+ battle honours! :O

[Deus Imperator Vult]

Valdor is awesome no doubt there do we actually know how a Castodian matches up to an Astartes physically? I mean I know Garro struggles against that one in Sword of Truth.

 

I agree with you on the contrast between Sevatar vs Lucius. However I think the fight woul be short lived as Lucius' achillies heel is if people don't play by his rules and Sevatar would have no qualms with flicking dirt in his eyes and stabbing him in the crotch.

 

As far as Abadon being the best of all the first captains I'm not sure. I mean the only reason Loken doesn't gut him on Isstvan 3 is cause he's wearing terminator plate where as most of the other first captains don't wear a suit. Sevatar, Sigismund or Raldoran in the same armour would have a fighting chance I'd say.

[[TA]Typher]

From everything I've read the Adeptus Custodes are genetically superior to the Astartes. Valdor is the chief amongst them. With both of those things in mind it would seem that he would easily be able to best any of them.

 

"Russ and Valdor did not see eye to eye. Dorn was ever-present at the Imperial Palace during the Great Crusade and so Valdor and the Primarch spent much time together. On the other hand, Valdor only earned Russ' respect when the former defeated Horus in a sparring match."

 

From http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Adeptus_Custodes

 

After reading that I don't think any Astartes would have much of a chance. without some really one sided circumstances.

[Vesper]

That wiki is like the nexus of all the fanfics ever written by Matt Ward level fifteen years old kids. Without a serious, reliable source, just don't ever trust that pile of junk.

[Billuriye]

That wiki is like the nexus of all the fanfics ever written by Matt Ward level fifteen years old kids. Without a serious, reliable source, just don't ever trust that pile of junk.

Except for Shadow Wolves entry who's apparently done by AD-B.

[Entei]

Khârn vs Amit. (The Butcher's Nails vs The Red Thirst)
At Terra. Written by A D-B. Please.

Also Sigismund vs Abaddon.

[Deus Imperator Vult]

I'd like to read Loken vs Abaddon when the latter doesn't have his terminator armour.

 

Also, Torgaddon vs Eidolon when they were on Murder.

[Lividjoker]

Another one I'd like to see would be First Captain Numeon (Salamanders) vs Forrix or Ingo Pech.

 

Oh and Luther VS Kor Phaeron.

 

Edit: And if he were still alive Gabriel Santar VS Khârn

 

Corswain VS Lucius would be fun to see.

[Mantras]

Was it Alajos, who accompanied Corswain to the parlay with Konrad Curze and was said to have lasted a minute in a duel with the Lion? He would be a badass (was killed by Sevatar, but was busy chopping Sheng's hand off at the time)

[Vesper]

The one that had his head chopped off ?

[Mantras]

I believe so, thinking about it, he handled himself against Sheng (not a reknown fighter) and Sevatar for a good while on his own, and we are all talking about how lethal Sevatar is. Would like to have seen straight up fight between Alajos and Sevatar

[Vesper]

More head chopping for Sevatar ? You want him to go khornate or something ?

[Deus Imperator Vult]

 if he were still alive Gabriel Santar VS Khârn

Did I read somewhere that Gabriel survied... again? I realise that if he did he would be the single luckiest astartes in the heresy.

[Brother Keyaetus]

As someone said above that the only reason Abaddon beat Loken was due to his terminator armour and if he didnt have it then he'd of lost...well I think thats wrong, sure loken landed blows on Abaddon, but since he was wearing armour then allowing the opponent to open themselves up by landing useless/non-deadly blows against superior armour is tactical. Im sure if Abaddon was in power armour that his fighting style would change, as would any other marines.

[Deus Imperator Vult]

As someone said above that the only reason Abaddon beat Loken was due to his terminator armour and if he didnt have it then he'd of lost...well I think thats wrong, sure loken landed blows on Abaddon, but since he was wearing armour then allowing the opponent to open themselves up by landing useless/non-deadly blows against superior armour is tactical. Im sure if Abaddon was in power armour that his fighting style would change, as would any other marines.

I don't nessesarly think it was only his armour that saved him only that in his duel with Loken Gavie has him on his back and is forcing his chainsword into his chest. That move on a regular armoured marine would have been fatal, or at least, incapacating.

[Cerbero666]

I think Abaddon and Sigismund will beat anyone they come up against. Personal combat is one of their primary strengths, even if we've seen precious little of it from either of them.

Sevatar is as skilled as almost any First Captain (that's why he's a First Captain) but he still had to cheat and disqualify himself rather than risk losing to Sigismund in a duel.

What if it was a fight between them? It could last for years...

I would put Amit, Khârn, Sevatar, Argel Tal, Abaddon and Sigismund in a fight pit and just watch them spill blood everywhere

Beside that gore wish I would go with:

Loken VS Aximand or Abaddon (rematch)

Garro VS Typhon

Lucius VS Sigismund (Sword's Freaks)

Sevatar VS Argel Tal

Kor Phaeron and Erebus VS All the Custodian Guard (Being killed slowly in the process)

[W0lfie]

Valdor is awesome no doubt there do we actually know how a Castodian matches up to an Astartes physically? I mean I know Garro struggles against that one in Sword of Truth.

 

This one varies enormously depending on source, I've read things ranging from them being barely taller and physically equal, to them man-handling even ogryns, to them "being to a space marine what a space marine is to a guardsman".  Personally, I think that a Custodes would be noticeably taller, noticeably faster and slightly stronger, on average.  Based on First Heretic, they do seem a bit tougher and better trained.  Either way, Valdor is described as being a giant, even amongst the custodes.  Apparently he's bigger than Alpharius (Yes, Alpharius is the smallest primarch.  He's still much, much bigger than SM, however).  Also, he associates with assassins, bonus points for that.

 

@Cerbero666, you want to see Kor Phaeron and Erebus fight all 10,000 custodian guards? Maybe if the two of them fought two custodian guards, it would be a good fight...I hate to break it to you though, they would not be able to beat 10,000 custodes.

 

Also...Forrix and Sigismund.  So much hate.

[Deus Imperator Vult]

 

 

@Cerbero666, you want to see Kor Phaeron and Erebus fight all 10,000 custodian guards? Maybe if the two of them fought two custodian guards, it would be a good fight...I hate to break it to you though, they would not be able to beat 10,000 custodes.

I'm not even sure two vs two would be a fair fight in their case and that's not just my Word Bearer hate shining through mearly that Kor Phaeron wasn't a real astartes he was a genebulked human. The only reason he is held in such high regard is because Lorgar <3 him. The rest of the legion basically mock him behind his back from what I can remember. And Erebus isn't exactly described as having an amazing combat record.

[Mantras]

 

 

Also...Forrix and Sigismund.  So much hate.

 

I love Forrix, but he would be killed soooo quickly.

 

I'd quite like to see Luther vs Sigismund vs Lucius, sword technique pr0n

[Peter the Hermit]

I like to see more heresy Bjorn, I'mean he is the ultimate 30k/40k badass...But we get to see him only in "PB"....

[Deus Imperator Vult]

I like to see more heresy Bjorn, I'mean he is the ultimate 30k/40k badass...But we get to see him only in "PB"....

I did love him in Battle of the Fang where he confronts Magnus

[Cerbero666]

Valdor is awesome no doubt there do we actually know how a Castodian matches up to an Astartes physically? I mean I know Garro struggles against that one in Sword of Truth.

This one varies enormously depending on source, I've read things ranging from them being barely taller and physically equal, to them man-handling even ogryns, to them "being to a space marine what a space marine is to a guardsman". Personally, I think that a Custodes would be noticeably taller, noticeably faster and slightly stronger, on average. Based on First Heretic, they do seem a bit tougher and better trained. Either way, Valdor is described as being a giant, even amongst the custodes. Apparently he's bigger than Alpharius (Yes, Alpharius is the smallest primarch. He's still much, much bigger than SM, however). Also, he associates with assassins, bonus points for that.

@Cerbero666, you want to see Kor Phaeron and Erebus fight all 10,000 custodian guards? Maybe if the two of them fought two custodian guards, it would be a good fight...I hate to break it to you though, they would not be able to beat 10,000 custodes.

Also...Forrix and Sigismund. So much hate.

@Cerbero666, you want to see Kor Phaeron and Erebus fight all 10,000 custodian guards? Maybe if the two of them fought two custodian guards, it would be a good fight...I hate to break it to you though, they would not be able to beat 10,000 custodes.

I'm not even sure two vs two would be a fair fight in their case and that's not just my Word Bearer hate shining through mearly that Kor Phaeron wasn't a real astartes he was a genebulked human. The only reason he is held in such high regard is because Lorgar <3 him. The rest of the legion basically mock him behind his back from what I can remember. And Erebus isn't exactly described as having an amazing combat record.

You didn't sense the tone....I want them fighting all the Legio Custodes so they can die in anguish. But now that you mentioned...if they could invoke daemons it would be a fair fight (no, It won't, the Custodes would kill them all)