W0lfie Posted October 12, 2013 Share Posted October 12, 2013 Actually I'm not even talking about the physical condition or genetic enhancements. Time and time again, psychic powers have been shown to be a match for physical strength. The Eisenhorn series is proof of that. ABHOR THE WITCH! DESTROY THE WITCH! -Black Templars, who use physical strength as a match for psychic strength on a regular basis. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/272685-non-primarch-fights-we-would-like-to-read/page/9/#findComment-3493086 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deus Imperator Vult Posted October 13, 2013 Author Share Posted October 13, 2013 Actually I'm not even talking about the physical condition or genetic enhancements. Time and time again, psychic powers have been shown to be a match for physical strength. The Eisenhorn series is proof of that. ABHOR THE WITCH! DESTROY THE WITCH! -Black Templars, who use physical strength as a match for psychic strength on a regular basis. And I shall stand as a Son of Sigismund until the strength bleeds from my body however in the context of a protracted engagment a psyker who can halt a Titan by desolving the Princeps mind with biomancy is going to be a powerful weapon. I mean I think the fluff still has Deus Indre however you spell it being the first to breach the walls of the Palace... Imagine the difference it would make if a psyker could just disable the Imperator titan before it got close! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/272685-non-primarch-fights-we-would-like-to-read/page/9/#findComment-3493435 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Excessus Posted October 13, 2013 Share Posted October 13, 2013 ...but I think most of them were busy battling it out with daemons and/or Thousand Sons... :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/272685-non-primarch-fights-we-would-like-to-read/page/9/#findComment-3493587 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter the Hermit Posted October 14, 2013 Share Posted October 14, 2013 As I remember it someone, my mind is saying Fulgrim but I'm not sure, is telling Russ to shut up to which the wolf replies. 'You don't have the right to tell me to shut up' and Raldoran says something like 'and do I have the right?' and Russ walks off and sits down. But yeah him in some proper action would be a good read. I did like the Blood angels apothecary killing that word barer with his narthecium in Fear to Tread though... that was a good kill! Now I think about it are their any other well know apothecaries in m31 or is it just that scumbag Fabius? It was Fulgrim...nice troll bait btw....Seems like the wolves are sleeping, he,he...I'm gonna go into fang and poke them with a stick.... ‘Look now, skjald,’ said the Wolf King, sweeping his hand out to encompass all four imposing figures confronting them. ‘They’re ganging up on you. You see the one in red? That’s Raldoron, Chapter Master of my brother Sanguinius’s Blood Angels. And the handsome brute in grey, that’s Typhon, First Captain of the Death Guard. Remember their names so you can tell the account of this day in all detail and particulars at Tra’s hearth-side.’ ‘Enough, my lord,’ said Typhon. ‘There are matters of security—’ ‘Oh-ho! Over-stepping your mark, First Captain!’ said Russ, taking a step forwards and aiming an accusing finger at the Astartes in ash grey. ‘You do not… You do not tell a primarch “enough”.’ ‘Maybe I’m allowed to, then,’ said another voice. They turned. The towering newcomer had the presence of Leman Russ and the charisma of a main sequence star. He was light and aesthetic perfection where Russ was visceral dynamism and blood-gold hair. Between them, they outshone even the magnificent Custodes. ‘You,’ said Russ grudgingly. ‘Yes, you’re allowed to, I suppose.’ He glanced at Hawser. ‘You know who this is?’ ‘No, ser,’ mumbled Hawser. ‘Well, ser, this, ser, is my brother Fulgrim.’ How about Raldy vs Amit ??? Siggy vs Lucious Abby vs resurrected Loken round 2 ??? wait...NO Loken is dead in my book... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/272685-non-primarch-fights-we-would-like-to-read/page/9/#findComment-3494353 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deus Imperator Vult Posted October 14, 2013 Author Share Posted October 14, 2013 As I remember it someone, my mind is saying Fulgrim but I'm not sure, is telling Russ to shut up to which the wolf replies. 'You don't have the right to tell me to shut up' and Raldoran says something like 'and do I have the right?' and Russ walks off and sits down. But yeah him in some proper action would be a good read. I did like the Blood angels apothecary killing that word barer with his narthecium in Fear to Tread though... that was a good kill! Now I think about it are their any other well know apothecaries in m31 or is it just that scumbag Fabius? It was Fulgrim...nice troll bait btw....Seems like the wolves are sleeping, he,he...I'm gonna go into fang and poke them with a stick.... ‘Look now, skjald,’ said the Wolf King, sweeping his hand out to encompass all four imposing figures confronting them. ‘They’re ganging up on you. You see the one in red? That’s Raldoron, Chapter Master of my brother Sanguinius’s Blood Angels. And the handsome brute in grey, that’s Typhon, First Captain of the Death Guard. Remember their names so you can tell the account of this day in all detail and particulars at Tra’s hearth-side.’ ‘Enough, my lord,’ said Typhon. ‘There are matters of security—’ ‘Oh-ho! Over-stepping your mark, First Captain!’ said Russ, taking a step forwards and aiming an accusing finger at the Astartes in ash grey. ‘You do not… You do not tell a primarch “enough”.’ ‘Maybe I’m allowed to, then,’ said another voice. They turned. The towering newcomer had the presence of Leman Russ and the charisma of a main sequence star. He was light and aesthetic perfection where Russ was visceral dynamism and blood-gold hair. Between them, they outshone even the magnificent Custodes. ‘You,’ said Russ grudgingly. ‘Yes, you’re allowed to, I suppose.’ He glanced at Hawser. ‘You know who this is?’ ‘No, ser,’ mumbled Hawser. ‘Well, ser, this, ser, is my brother Fulgrim.’ How about Raldy vs Amit ??? Siggy vs Lucious Abby vs resurrected Loken round 2 ??? wait...NO Loken is dead in my book... haha yes brother I relise we can't mention Russ or the Wolves without risking troll attack but I still think the point stands. I'd quite like to read Abbadon vs Typhon actually... seeing as how they both wear terminator suits. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/272685-non-primarch-fights-we-would-like-to-read/page/9/#findComment-3494639 Share on other sites More sharing options...
W0lfie Posted October 14, 2013 Share Posted October 14, 2013 ABHOR THE WITCH! DESTROY THE WITCH! -Black Templars, who use physical strength as a match for psychic strength on a regular basis. And I shall stand as a Son of Sigismund until the strength bleeds from my body however in the context of a protracted engagment a psyker who can halt a Titan by desolving the Princeps mind with biomancy is going to be a powerful weapon. I mean I think the fluff still has Deus Indre however you spell it being the first to breach the walls of the Palace... Imagine the difference it would make if a psyker could just disable the Imperator titan before it got close! While I grant that malcador or Magnus would be able to best a physical warrior without so much as moving, it was a blanket statement that I felt the need to...clarify... And we have plenty of accounts of space marines and custodes killing titans without super heavy weapons or psychic powers... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/272685-non-primarch-fights-we-would-like-to-read/page/9/#findComment-3494867 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dumah Posted October 14, 2013 Share Posted October 14, 2013 As I remember it someone, my mind is saying Fulgrim but I'm not sure, is telling Russ to shut up to which the wolf replies. 'You don't have the right to tell me to shut up' and Raldoran says something like 'and do I have the right?' and Russ walks off and sits down. But yeah him in some proper action would be a good read. I did like the Blood angels apothecary killing that word barer with his narthecium in Fear to Tread though... that was a good kill! Now I think about it are their any other well know apothecaries in m31 or is it just that scumbag Fabius? It was Fulgrim...nice troll bait btw....Seems like the wolves are sleeping, he,he...I'm gonna go into fang and poke them with a stick.... ‘Look now, skjald,’ said the Wolf King, sweeping his hand out to encompass all four imposing figures confronting them. ‘They’re ganging up on you. You see the one in red? That’s Raldoron, Chapter Master of my brother Sanguinius’s Blood Angels. And the handsome brute in grey, that’s Typhon, First Captain of the Death Guard. Remember their names so you can tell the account of this day in all detail and particulars at Tra’s hearth-side.’ ‘Enough, my lord,’ said Typhon. ‘There are matters of security—’ ‘Oh-ho! Over-stepping your mark, First Captain!’ said Russ, taking a step forwards and aiming an accusing finger at the Astartes in ash grey. ‘You do not… You do not tell a primarch “enough”.’ ‘Maybe I’m allowed to, then,’ said another voice. They turned. The towering newcomer had the presence of Leman Russ and the charisma of a main sequence star. He was light and aesthetic perfection where Russ was visceral dynamism and blood-gold hair. Between them, they outshone even the magnificent Custodes. ‘You,’ said Russ grudgingly. ‘Yes, you’re allowed to, I suppose.’ He glanced at Hawser. ‘You know who this is?’ ‘No, ser,’ mumbled Hawser. ‘Well, ser, this, ser, is my brother Fulgrim.’ How about Raldy vs Amit ??? Siggy vs Lucious Abby vs resurrected Loken round 2 ??? wait...NO Loken is dead in my book... haha yes brother I relise we can't mention Russ or the Wolves without risking troll attack but I still think the point stands. I'd quite like to read Abbadon vs Typhon actually... seeing as how they both wear terminator suits. I'd like to see this as well, though I would put my money on Typhon considering that by the Heresy he had been a secret devotee of Nurgle for some time and would likely have the edge in durability (not to mention that he's a psyker of considerable power). I'd really love to see anyone put a beat down on Azkaellon; that guy really rubs me the wrong way. Edit: New thought! What about Damon Prytanis vs Oll Persson? I feel like that's a showdown we may very well see if the Cabal discovers Oll's secret mission. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/272685-non-primarch-fights-we-would-like-to-read/page/9/#findComment-3494920 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted October 14, 2013 Share Posted October 14, 2013 I know Typhon was a psyker, but I don't recall anything mentioning he was a psyker of note. As someone who is always interested in reading new fluff, could I ask where this came from? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/272685-non-primarch-fights-we-would-like-to-read/page/9/#findComment-3494993 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dumah Posted October 14, 2013 Share Posted October 14, 2013 That's really just how I've interpreted things; I have no specific source. It's mostly assumption based on how powerful he becomes after the fact, I suppose. But then, any level of psychic power at all is an advantage against a blunt, no? Edit: I just reread the short story "The Lion" and in said story Typhon burrows a warp tunnel straight through realspace to "teleport" to an underground facility from close orbit. A navigator in the story exclaims "I've never seen anything like it", from which I infer that requires a considerable degree of power. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/272685-non-primarch-fights-we-would-like-to-read/page/9/#findComment-3495022 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted October 14, 2013 Share Posted October 14, 2013 Ah fair enough. And I'd say if the blunt doesn't know what he's doing. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/272685-non-primarch-fights-we-would-like-to-read/page/9/#findComment-3495024 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dumah Posted October 14, 2013 Share Posted October 14, 2013 Ah fair enough. And I'd say if the blunt doesn't know what he's doing. Or if both individuals know what they're doing (and I'll go out on a limb and say the 1st captains of two legions do), then the psyker has the clear advantage. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/272685-non-primarch-fights-we-would-like-to-read/page/9/#findComment-3495044 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deus Imperator Vult Posted October 14, 2013 Author Share Posted October 14, 2013 Didn't Typhon manage to keep his powers dormant to the point that most people didn't even realise he was a psyker? Not sure on the source of that Eisenstein maybe? I definitely think it would be an interesting fight. Also, I thought this while on another thread can Maloghaust still fight? I know he's too broken to wear armour but he is cited as having a near equal combat record to Abbadon before he became Equirry. It might be interesting to read him going toe to toe with someone... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/272685-non-primarch-fights-we-would-like-to-read/page/9/#findComment-3495080 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted October 14, 2013 Share Posted October 14, 2013 In The Lion, it was said that he had managed to join the Librarius before Mortarion disbanded it, so he at least became an initiate. But yeah, he basically became similar to Sevatar in that his powers became so dormant that unless you knew of it at the beginning, you wouldn't know until you were told. But unlike Sevatar, Typhon practiced in secret and it was this practice that allowed him to commune with Nurgle until it culminated with him Navigating the Death Guard to Terra and trapping them until they were infected with the Destroyer Hive Plague and emerged as the Plague Marines we know and puke because of today. Malghurst is iffy. Theoretically, something like a Guardsman should still be no problem. And I believe Forgeworld has seen fit to give him power armor as well, but at the cost of making his run a mortal's walk. But other than that, he is pretty much equal to a normal Astartes. So I'd say that due to his loss of maneuverability, he might no longer be Abaddon's equal, but he can probably do well against the average(possibly above average) Astartes. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/272685-non-primarch-fights-we-would-like-to-read/page/9/#findComment-3495104 Share on other sites More sharing options...
W0lfie Posted October 15, 2013 Share Posted October 15, 2013 As a semi-related point, I wonder how well some of these heresy-era heavy-weights would weight up against their "modern" equivalents? Things like: Lysander vs. Valdor Sevrin Loth vs. Sevatar Corien Sumatris vs. Sigismund Calgar vs. crusade era Abaddon etc. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/272685-non-primarch-fights-we-would-like-to-read/page/9/#findComment-3495409 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustus Posted October 16, 2013 Share Posted October 16, 2013 Note on Typhoon. He asks papa Nurgle for a boon to overcome the DA Librarians. Isn't he only a level 1 psyker in "Massacre" granted I dunno what that means... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/272685-non-primarch-fights-we-would-like-to-read/page/9/#findComment-3496685 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noctus Cornix Posted October 16, 2013 Share Posted October 16, 2013 Sigismund vs Khârn, because I know its going to happen. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/272685-non-primarch-fights-we-would-like-to-read/page/9/#findComment-3496695 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted October 16, 2013 Share Posted October 16, 2013 Note on Typhoon. He asks papa Nurgle for a boon to overcome the DA Librarians. Isn't he only a level 1 psyker in "Massacre" granted I dunno what that means... Usually, level 1 means they have psyker abilities, but they only have one. Talos and his visions, level 1 psyker. Cyrion and his fear-eating, level 1 psyker. After that, it gets confusing as you try to reconcile game terminology with background. But basically, it means that, in game terms, Typhon only has one ability. That is apparently translating into fluff as him also being a rather weak psyker. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/272685-non-primarch-fights-we-would-like-to-read/page/9/#findComment-3496763 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonaides Posted October 16, 2013 Share Posted October 16, 2013 Level 1 psykers have multiple abilities, but likely are only trained sufficiently to provide a single 'battlefield significant' ability power safely. Or just that their other abilities dont rate a tabletop rule in a world of 0-10 attributes and D6 variation... Once upon a time you could purchase minor powers for your psykers to represent some of these additional powers (4th ed?) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/272685-non-primarch-fights-we-would-like-to-read/page/9/#findComment-3496795 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greyall Posted October 16, 2013 Share Posted October 16, 2013 Well, from the account above, he is at least inventive (assuming his power doesn't reach even 6000) with that tunneling thing. He does seem to be more of a sorceror than a psyker. His 'vessel' abilities (I'm talking 40K) help that view. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/272685-non-primarch-fights-we-would-like-to-read/page/9/#findComment-3496796 Share on other sites More sharing options...
W0lfie Posted October 17, 2013 Share Posted October 17, 2013 Note on Typhoon. He asks papa Nurgle for a boon to overcome the DA Librarians. Isn't he only a level 1 psyker in "Massacre" granted I dunno what that means... Usually, level 1 means they have psyker abilities, but they only have one. Talos and his visions, level 1 psyker. Cyrion and his fear-eating, level 1 psyker. After that, it gets confusing as you try to reconcile game terminology with background. But basically, it means that, in game terms, Typhon only has one ability. That is apparently translating into fluff as him also being a rather weak psyker. Well all space marine librarians are noted as being some of the strongest psykers in the Imperium. Most psykers are bending spoons and cheating at cards, being able to make yourself more physically powerful than a Bloodthirster or shoot lightning from your fingers is still an enormous manifestation of power. It's just that level 2 psykers are especially talented/powerful psykers who have mastered their art, able to cast massive spells or several normal ones, and Levels 3/4 are meant to represent legendary psykers who have used chaos to boost their power/are naturally Alpha-level psykers. TL;DR the scale is huge, and mastery level one still represents massively powerful psykers. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/272685-non-primarch-fights-we-would-like-to-read/page/9/#findComment-3498736 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted May 1, 2016 Share Posted May 1, 2016 Sigismund vs Khârn, because I know its going to happen. That might well be the fight that temporarily kills Khârn. I'd like to see Arvida take on a Word Bearers sorcerer. Must be a fairly tough guy as, aside from enduring alone on Prospero, he's survived bringing Mk IV armour to a Terminator brawl. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/272685-non-primarch-fights-we-would-like-to-read/page/9/#findComment-4381609 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prodigal Son of Magnus Posted May 1, 2016 Share Posted May 1, 2016 I'd like to see Tybalt Marr vs Shadrak Meduson. Ending with Marr presenting Horus with Meduson's Gold dipped skull. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/272685-non-primarch-fights-we-would-like-to-read/page/9/#findComment-4381615 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Hands Fanatic Posted May 1, 2016 Share Posted May 1, 2016 Don't really mind who it is, but I'd love to see Autek Mor murderise someone Horribly Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/272685-non-primarch-fights-we-would-like-to-read/page/9/#findComment-4381623 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Memento Of Prospero Posted May 1, 2016 Share Posted May 1, 2016 Don't really mind who it is, but I'd love to see Autek Mor murderise someone Horribly You beat me to it! But before he does it, uses a Gravitic Well to disrupt the planet's orbit to send it crashing into the sun. Yeeaaaaah, I like that. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/272685-non-primarch-fights-we-would-like-to-read/page/9/#findComment-4381625 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeremy1391 Posted May 2, 2016 Share Posted May 2, 2016 I think Abaddon and Sigismund will beat anyone they come up against. Personal combat is one of their primary strengths, even if we've seen precious little of it from either of them. Sevatar is as skilled as almost any First Captain (that's why he's a First Captain) but he still had to cheat and disqualify himself rather than risk losing to Sigismund in a duel. Soooo when is the next black legion book coming out so we can see this epic duel on paper?!?!? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/272685-non-primarch-fights-we-would-like-to-read/page/9/#findComment-4381983 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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