Skylar D'Forge Posted March 13, 2013 Share Posted March 13, 2013 Hey B&C, For a long time now I have had a solid idea for the successor chapter I am wanting to form, however I am having concerns recently... The chapter is an 'Iron Hands' successor of the tenth founding, They are called 'The Ferrous Chosen'... this is all and well... but the problem lies in the colour scheme I have chosen for them! As can be seen I the photo, the colour scheme is predominantly grey/silver but with black and yellow striped trim on the shoulder and leg plate... this is the problem.. Are they too 'Iron warrior' or can I get away with this MASSIVE similarity! ...Any ideas on how I should change it? I Really like the scheme... its just... taken :'( Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/272744-my-custom-chapter-paint-scheme/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firepower Posted March 13, 2013 Share Posted March 13, 2013 Yeah, many folks (myself included) will look at that and think Iron Warriors off the bat. It will get annoying to explain overand over that "No, they just look like them. They are actually Iron Hands successors..which, ok, are like loyalist Iron Warriors..." Simply changing the stripes from yellow to white may work. Black and white is a throwback to the Iron Hands colors, too. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/272744-my-custom-chapter-paint-scheme/#findComment-3327256 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Semper Posted March 13, 2013 Share Posted March 13, 2013 I agree with everything Firepower said! :O Try other colors for the hazard stripes. White and black would do it - also red and black... But avoid yellow - it;s taken! :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/272744-my-custom-chapter-paint-scheme/#findComment-3327283 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firepower Posted March 13, 2013 Share Posted March 13, 2013 I agree with everything Firepower said! A wise policy indeed. Try other colors for the hazard stripes. White and black would do it - also red and black... But avoid yellow - it;s taken! I recommend you avoid red and black. For one, they actually don't have much in the way of contrast. Secondly, everyone does red and black. High contrast (colors that make it 'pop') would be lighter greens, blues, white...and, erm, pink. That's just off the top of my head. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/272744-my-custom-chapter-paint-scheme/#findComment-3327292 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skylar D'Forge Posted March 13, 2013 Author Share Posted March 13, 2013 Mayhap I choose to keep the yellow and black and change the main colour? what kind of colours would you think would look good? I've thought about black (over used) , white (may look good, or ghastly) and gold, thought gold may not seem obvious, part of my chaters theme (aside from the 'go-to' Iron hands theme bionics) is that the chapter is somewhat more 'flesh friendly' and have a Greko-Roman feel to them (which again clashes with Iron warriors) and so the first company, are going to be in all gold armour along with the chapter master! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/272744-my-custom-chapter-paint-scheme/#findComment-3327352 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firepower Posted March 13, 2013 Share Posted March 13, 2013 The fun thing about the yellow and black stripes is that they clash with almost everything, which is sort of the point. I would avoid a solid gold scheme, as the yellow won't clash well against it (sparingly using gold bits could work though). Only go for white if you feel like punishing yourself- it ranks highest on the hate-my-life difficulty list. So aside from grayscale and yellowish colors, just about anything will do fine. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/272744-my-custom-chapter-paint-scheme/#findComment-3327413 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aqui Posted March 13, 2013 Share Posted March 13, 2013 Whilst I agree generally with what Firepower and Captain Semper say, let's not forget that there are Iron Hands successors that are other colours aside from grey and black. The Sons of Medusa for example are green, Brazen Claws are Red/blue. As you have the name Ferrous Chosen, perhaps a "bronze" colour or a dull red - colours that are commonly associated with iron. The yellow/black stripes could still be used without them being confused with Iron Warriors. Not hugely accurate to what I meant, but to give an idea: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/272744-my-custom-chapter-paint-scheme/#findComment-3327446 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Octavulg Posted March 13, 2013 Share Posted March 13, 2013 Very Iron Warriors. Very, very Iron Warriors. I honestly don't mind that, though - as long as the symbol's distinct and you model them appropriately it should be OK. God knows, no one seems to care that there are five million black chapters and three million red ones. However, naming your Chapter Master Sky'lar D'Forge both overworks the poor apostrophe and is a last name both unsubtle and not a real name. For shame. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/272744-my-custom-chapter-paint-scheme/#findComment-3327452 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firepower Posted March 13, 2013 Share Posted March 13, 2013 God knows, no one seems to care that there are five million black chapters and three million red ones.Ahem... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/272744-my-custom-chapter-paint-scheme/#findComment-3327455 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skylar D'Forge Posted March 13, 2013 Author Share Posted March 13, 2013 Ah sorry its a typo in that picture its 'Skylar D'forge' not Sky'lar, and although it may seem cliché (a quick Google search later) it is a real name, Which I believe would be very fitting! Also is 'subtlety' really something that needs to be worried about in a universe with 7-8 foot super warriors and evil gods, not to mention my favoured legions name directly coming from Ferrous Manus's, 'Iron hands'? I'm going to paint some miniatures up in various schemes (maybe post some pictures in a couple days?) so that I can perhaps get a feel for something I like!? As for the red, I do like that idea its just 'all' of my friends who play loyal/chaos marines have a deep red or black theme which might be why I chose to go down this path, I also prefer a darker, more mechanical feel for my own miniatures, which if I am going to paint and play with, I don't want to always be thinking... I wish I had it my way! Cheer's for all the in-put its really appreciated! I'm currently feeling a dirty white but will try keeping silver and painting white and back gilding! On a side note, I love apostrophe's, luv' 'em t' bitz'! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/272744-my-custom-chapter-paint-scheme/#findComment-3327493 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Octavulg Posted March 14, 2013 Share Posted March 14, 2013 LaForge, sure. DeForge, maybe. D'Forge? And subtlety is extra important in such circumstances, because the suspension of disbelief is already so frayed and creaking under the strain of eight-foot space knights with chainsaw swords. One can accept the conceits of the universe, but little things will often still niggle. For some reason I'm OK with everything in the Night Lords series, but it really really bugs me that Uzas loots a bolter in their retreat from Tsagualsa (since in the first novel his bolter is one Malcharion supposedly gave him). It's why the Raven Guard are fine, even in black, even with the flying, even with the talons, even with their Primarch being Corax (gah), but Corax's last words being "Nevermore" is just teeth-grindingly stupid. Though on the bright side, you'd have to work really, really hard to do something that bad. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/272744-my-custom-chapter-paint-scheme/#findComment-3327663 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Semper Posted March 14, 2013 Share Posted March 14, 2013 I actually like Aquilanus' suggestion! Copper might be really unique and in keeping with the "metallic" character of the Iron Hands! Just make sure the metal is red enough to distinquish from the bronze-looking Minotaurs (who I suspect will be in vogue pretty soon). Now whether black and white stripes will tie well on a copper background is another question... :unsure: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/272744-my-custom-chapter-paint-scheme/#findComment-3327682 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skylar D'Forge Posted March 16, 2013 Author Share Posted March 16, 2013 Okay, so I'm not sure if anyone still interested or not but I painted up two models, one in black with a silver wash and another in white, here they are! (the black one is more silver irl but it didn't show in the picture!) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/272744-my-custom-chapter-paint-scheme/#findComment-3329104 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamertime95 Posted March 16, 2013 Share Posted March 16, 2013 I like the look, unique enough while still fitting in with the Iron Hands/Warriors theme with the metal helmet and danger stripes. Have you thought about doing anything with one of the hands as a sort of tribute? Maybe a bronzish colour others have suggested or a more normal iron metal perhaps? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/272744-my-custom-chapter-paint-scheme/#findComment-3329153 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peredyne Posted March 16, 2013 Share Posted March 16, 2013 There's plenty of evidence that later founding chapters were founded using traitor geneseed. The Blood Ravens supposedly come from Thousand Sons geneseed, and the Minotaurs come from World Eaters geneseed. I think the Hawk Lords come from Emperor's Children geneseed. There's probably a chapter built from Death Guard geneseed as well. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/272744-my-custom-chapter-paint-scheme/#findComment-3329250 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Octavulg Posted March 16, 2013 Share Posted March 16, 2013 *Blink blink* The Hawk Lords share only a color scheme. The Minotaurs may be ferocious, but since the World Eaters were made ferocious through psycho-surgery that doesn't really prove much. Plus, it mentions how their geneseed has been tampered with or mixed. Indeed, paranoia and spite would suggest they were Iron Warriors. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/272744-my-custom-chapter-paint-scheme/#findComment-3329405 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firepower Posted March 16, 2013 Share Posted March 16, 2013 I think I would try going with green, like a Salamanders shade of green. Green+yellow works well enough, and it's a helluva lot easier than white and not as Iron Warriorsy as the silver-black. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/272744-my-custom-chapter-paint-scheme/#findComment-3329420 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peredyne Posted March 16, 2013 Share Posted March 16, 2013 *Blink blink*The Hawk Lords share only a color scheme. The Minotaurs may be ferocious, but since the World Eaters were made ferocious through psycho-surgery that doesn't really prove much. Plus, it mentions how their geneseed has been tampered with or mixed. Indeed, paranoia and spite would suggest they were Iron Warriors. The Hawk Lords are described as being perfecionists. The Minotaurs Chapter Master is described as sitting on a brazen throne on his battle barge. It's never been outright said that they came from traitor geneseed, but they sure infer it. Something I noticed about the Minotaurs decal sheet is that the decals are in multiples of 8. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/272744-my-custom-chapter-paint-scheme/#findComment-3329458 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skylar D'Forge Posted March 16, 2013 Author Share Posted March 16, 2013 I'm just going to put it out there, My chapter are Definitely going to be Iron hands successors... Also, I've pretty much decided on the white now, it has a nice imperial feel to it, I will probably add a Roman still crest (red) and a cloak (red) cheer's for the help!For the white, as a want a 'matt' white which I then battle wear and 'dirt'ify, its easier to spray them white, paint the details and then simply wash black for a more then table top finish, which ok, I wont win a golden daemon for but does look very nice en' mass! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/272744-my-custom-chapter-paint-scheme/#findComment-3329469 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Octavulg Posted March 17, 2013 Share Posted March 17, 2013 Peredyne The Hawk Lords are described as being perfecionists.Where?The Minotaurs Chapter Master is described as sitting on a brazen throne on his battle barge. It's never been outright said that they came from traitor geneseed, but they sure infer it.Your reasoning is that the brass-colored Chapter has a brass throne? Really? * * * Skylar The white's a good choice, I think. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/272744-my-custom-chapter-paint-scheme/#findComment-3329819 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firepower Posted March 17, 2013 Share Posted March 17, 2013 The Minotaurs Chapter Master is described as sitting on a brazen throne on his battle barge. It's never been outright said that they came from traitor geneseed, but they sure infer it. Something I noticed about the Minotaurs decal sheet is that the decals are in multiples of 8.The Triumph of Ullanor was faked, and the entire Imperium of man is really just a molecule under the thumbnail of a giant. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/272744-my-custom-chapter-paint-scheme/#findComment-3329882 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Tyler Posted March 18, 2013 Share Posted March 18, 2013 It's never been outright said that they came from traitor geneseed, but they sure infer it. Correction, you infer it. Or they imply it. Or both. I certainly never inferred that, however, so I'm more inclined to think that you (and many others) inferred it and that Forge World didn't necessarily imply it, but they did provide clues that might support such a conclusion. I'm not sure what this debate has to do with the proposed color scheme, though. I agree that the original scheme presented by Skylar D'Forge looked a bit too close to that of the Iron Warriors, but it looks like he has decided to go with a matte white, so I guess that's not a problem now. I'm looking forward to seeing the revised scheme on some minis. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/272744-my-custom-chapter-paint-scheme/#findComment-3330052 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firepower Posted March 18, 2013 Share Posted March 18, 2013 I still vote green, but it's your army. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/272744-my-custom-chapter-paint-scheme/#findComment-3330112 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peredyne Posted March 18, 2013 Share Posted March 18, 2013 Getting back to the OP's question, I would either keep the Silver scheme and make the hazard stripes Red and Black or keep the Hazard Stripes Yellow and Black and make the armor Red. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/272744-my-custom-chapter-paint-scheme/#findComment-3330122 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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