c'tan phase sword question

[Dusktiger]

with how power weapons are described now, im wondering how these would be treated.  the description says its a power weapon that will automatically cause instant death regardless of target's toughness.

 

so does it use the Str User; AP 3 of special power weapons, or can you use any of the 4 power weapon types as a C'tan phase sword and gain the instant death bit on top of them?

[playedsincedaemonhunters]

It says in the BRB that the weapon will use the rules described with it, or by how the weapon looks...... a ctan phase sword, would use sword rules.

[Hellios]

It says in the BRB that the weapon will use the rules described with it, or by how the weapon looks...... a ctan phase sword, would use sword rules.

 

Unless you know it is a special power weapon, which is what the OP was asking. Is the C'tan phase sword a special power weapon that causes instant death, or  is it just another power weapon that causes instant death.

[Gentlemanloser]

 

If a model's wargear says it has a power weapon which has
no further special rules,

 

The C'Tan Phase Blade has further special rules. So falls under the Unique Power Weapon section.

 

 

If a power weapon has its own unique
close combat rules, treat it as an AP 3 Melee weapon with the
additional rules and characteristics presented in its entry.

[the jeske]

 

The C'Tan Phase Blade has further special rules. So falls under the Unique Power Weapon section.

So is dantes ax but that one is just a plain power ax with special rules. God knows what is legal with the sword.

 

easiest way is to take the actualy good faqed vindicator instead of the calidus.

[Gentlemanloser]

GW FAQed Dante's Axe.

 

The C'Tan blade is obviously an Unusual Power Weapon.  If it isn't then there are *no* unusual Power Weapons.

 

A Nemesis Force Halberd is just a normal Power Weapon that also gives you +2 Initiative.  A Frost Balde is also a normal Power Weapon that also gives you +1S.  Etc, etc.

[Reclusiarch Darius]

I'd say AP3. It's a sword, GW says go with how the weapon looks. 

[shortysl]

GW FAQed Dante's Axe.

 

The C'Tan blade is obviously an Unusual Power Weapon.  If it isn't then there are *no* unusual Power Weapons.

 

A Nemesis Force Halberd is just a normal Power Weapon that also gives you +2 Initiative.  A Frost Balde is also a normal Power Weapon that also gives you +1S.  Etc, etc.

A Nemesis Force Halberd is classified as an Unusual Force Weapon is it not?

 

I do believe the categorisation as 'Unusual' is saved for any weapon that does not share it's rules with any other weapon in the game. Dante's axe is simply a Master-Crafted weapon if I remember right; many weapons share the Master-Crafted rule in 40k, thus denying it 'Unusual' status. The C'Tan Phase Sword is 'Unusual' in that it grants Instant Death; a trait not shared by any other Power Weapon that I can think of.

[Gentlemanloser]

 

A Nemesis Force Halberd is classified as an Unusual Force Weapon is it not?

 

Yes, it was just an extrapolation of the arguement that a C'Tan Blade is 'just a normal power weapon, that also IDs'.

[the jeske]

GW FAQed Dante's Axe.

 

The C'Tan blade is obviously an Unusual Power Weapon.  If it isn't then there are *no* unusual Power Weapons.

 

A Nemesis Force Halberd is just a normal Power Weapon that also gives you +2 Initiative.  A Frost Balde is also a normal Power Weapon that also gives you +1S.  Etc, etc.

but it didnt faq the ctan blade. When the first chaos faq came out everyone knew that NM should be errated , but for that to actualy happen we had to wait for the next faq . the problem is not what you think the ctan blade is , but what the GK codex rules say about the ctan blade . and it says it is a power weapon with ID ability . And power weapons come in 4 shapes and sizes .

[Gentlemanloser]

No Jeske.  You're wrong.

 

A C'Tan Blade *is not* a normal Power Weapon that also lets you cause ID when it wounds.

 

As it's a Power Weapon with an additional ability, therefore it's an Unusual Power Weapon.  This doesn't require a FAQ.

 

As said, if it's a 'normal' power weapon, but it just lets you do something else as well, then *every* Power Weapon is a 'normal' power weapon, and there *are no* unusual power weapons.

 

 

If a model's wargear says it has a power weapon which has no further special rules

 

Isntant Death is a special rule.

 

This is clear as day...

 

Edit: Look at the Codex entry for a C'Tan Blade.

 

 

This is a Power Weapon. Additionally

[boreas]

the thing is, GL, a C'Tan Phase Blade doesn't exist. It's a C'Tan Phase Sword. Quite frankly, I find it a bit sad that it would be argued to be another type of weapon. I'd let another player use it as an axe or whatever, because I don't think it's game breaking, but that would definitely negatively influence my opinion of said player...

[Gentlemanloser]

LoL is it a Sword.

 

Could have sworn it was a Phase Blade. /meh that's a better name! :P

[boreas]

LoL is it a Sword.

Could have sworn it was a Phase Blade. /meh that's a better name!

I must say, Phase Blade has a nastier ring to it :)

[Reclusiarch Darius]

It was phase blade last edition I think. But yeah, now it is a sword. Also, it no longer ignores invulnerable saves :(

[Gentlemanloser]

I'm actually too lazy this morning to get both Codexes out to check. ;)