Durfast Spiritwolf Posted March 21, 2013 Share Posted March 21, 2013 As has been mentioned, the Edgar Allan Poe poem is a pretty strong hint as to what was happening over the course if that year in isolation. 'And the raven, never flitting, still is sitting, still is sitting On the pallid bust of Pallas just above my chamber door; And his eyes have all the seeming of a demon's that is dreaming, And the lamp-light o'er him streaming throws his shadow on the floor; And my soul from out that shadow that lies floating on the floor Shall be lifted - nevermore!' Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/272932-the-end-of-corax/page/3/#findComment-3332311 Share on other sites More sharing options...
yhta Posted March 21, 2013 Share Posted March 21, 2013 its strange how people use emo to pretty much say "do anything that is not manly and badass" But nevertheless, space marine and primarch don see suicide, or at least in the "end my on life because and can take anymore" way to do, they are more by sucide by cop(facing something that you know cant win) or something similar, dorn goes nuts after see the corpes of the emperor and how he wasn`t capable of avoid sanguinius and his father death, but instead of put a bullet to his head, he paint his armor black and goes to kill every traitor he can find, i can said that he didn`t really care of his life to much and he didin`t mind die in combat, but he wants to make every traitor pay for what the did to his father also conflcted soul can also be said to other primarchs, like angron by the fact he had implant in his head that pretty much scream then "MURDER,MURDER,MURDER!!" all hours and the fact that his daddy take him because he need a general to conquest another planets right now, or magnus when he learns that not only one of his brothers(lorgar) corrupt another of his brothers(horus) but knowing that not only you are no the master of the warp, also there is one entity there who are the master of trolling around and its using other our your brothers(russ) in his plans, we can said the same of dorn or sanguinius, hell even ferrus when he say his brother who care the most(fulgrim) side against his father(see the pattern here?) And about conrad, he didn`t kill himself more that allow someone else to kill him, that is because he knew he was right in the use of terror(the imperium prettey much use this every day) but(my opinion) curze was a judge and he judge himself gulty after he side with horus So corax will find something in the eye of teror or kill everything he see until he dies to, but just taking his life dosent really see wiht him Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/272932-the-end-of-corax/page/3/#findComment-3332323 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Durfast Spiritwolf Posted March 21, 2013 Share Posted March 21, 2013 On Kurze, I see it as subtly different. It was all about vindication not use of a third party to punish himself. Indeed that very word is used several times in the Night Lords series of books, such as Soul Hunter, as well as in Index Astartes II. By having him murdered, in Kurze's eyes, the Emperor was proving that Kurze's rational and methodology were valid, even if, arguably, he might not agree that he had become an example of what he had set out to destroy. That is where I think we differ. I've not seen anything to support him judging himself guilty in supporting Horus, but maybe I've missed something? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/272932-the-end-of-corax/page/3/#findComment-3332394 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deus Imperator Vult Posted March 21, 2013 Share Posted March 21, 2013 As has been mentioned, the Edgar Allan Poe poem is a pretty strong hint as to what was happening over the course if that year in isolation. 'And the raven, never flitting, still is sitting, still is sitting On the pallid bust of Pallas just above my chamber door; And his eyes have all the seeming of a demon's that is dreaming, And the lamp-light o'er him streaming throws his shadow on the floor; And my soul from out that shadow that lies floating on the floor Shall be lifted - nevermore!' Does anyone else read this in Darth Vaders voice after he read it on the Simpsons? its strange how people use emo to pretty much say "do anything that is not manly and badass" But nevertheless, space marine and primarch don see suicide, or at least in the "end my on life because and can take anymore" way to do, they are more by sucide by cop(facing something that you know cant win) or something similar, dorn goes nuts after see the corpes of the emperor and how he wasn`t capable of avoid sanguinius and his father death, but instead of put a bullet to his head, he paint his armor black and goes to kill every traitor he can find, i can said that he didn`t really care of his life to much and he didin`t mind die in combat, but he wants to make every traitor pay for what the did to his father also conflcted soul can also be said to other primarchs, like angron by the fact he had implant in his head that pretty much scream then "MURDER,MURDER,MURDER!!" all hours and the fact that his daddy take him because he need a general to conquest another planets right now, or magnus when he learns that not only one of his brothers(lorgar) corrupt another of his brothers(horus) but knowing that not only you are no the master of the warp, also there is one entity there who are the master of trolling around and its using other our your brothers(russ) in his plans, we can said the same of dorn or sanguinius, hell even ferrus when he say his brother who care the most(fulgrim) side against his father(see the pattern here?) And about conrad, he didn`t kill himself more that allow someone else to kill him, that is because he knew he was right in the use of terror(the imperium prettey much use this every day) but(my opinion) curze was a judge and he judge himself gulty after he side with horus So corax will find something in the eye of teror or kill everything he see until he dies to, but just taking his life dosent really see wiht him To be fair, brother, I have never known an emo to be manly or badass. I'm not disagreeing that his charging into the warp might be to fulfil a desire to die in battle but I think there needs to be a question mark over their lives. Personally I like the idea that Corax and Russ have been stalking the Eye of Terror as brothers all these years maybe Vulkan too depending where he wanders off to... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/272932-the-end-of-corax/page/3/#findComment-3332395 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper Posted March 21, 2013 Share Posted March 21, 2013 That'd be hard for Russ, being quite dead himself. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/272932-the-end-of-corax/page/3/#findComment-3332399 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Durfast Spiritwolf Posted March 21, 2013 Share Posted March 21, 2013 That'd be hard for Russ, being quite dead himself. Really, are you certain that is still the case? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/272932-the-end-of-corax/page/3/#findComment-3332408 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper Posted March 21, 2013 Share Posted March 21, 2013 There is no proof that he's alive, when we have bits that make him likely dead. His armour in front of a temple of Khorne, no trace of him and his "company", Russ himself telling that he's about to die. It would be really funny that the traitor legions, the renegades, the traitor Primachs and even the 13th company of the SW are heard of, when two primarchs aren't. These two heading to the Eye with the intent to die there, they're most likely dead. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/272932-the-end-of-corax/page/3/#findComment-3332416 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Durfast Spiritwolf Posted March 21, 2013 Share Posted March 21, 2013 So all circumstantial then and another unequivocal statement that you can't back up. It's becoming a bit of a habit... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/272932-the-end-of-corax/page/3/#findComment-3332431 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthMarko Posted March 21, 2013 Share Posted March 21, 2013 @Vesper statment / comment / *now insert a fact* No offense your comments are cool in general....but this...hmmm Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/272932-the-end-of-corax/page/3/#findComment-3332440 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper Posted March 21, 2013 Share Posted March 21, 2013 Ah Space Wolves players. Predictable. There is not a single tiny begining of a shadow of a proof of their survival when both departures were written in a way that leaves very little hope for their survival. Are we going to have that debate on Russ' last words again ? Gee. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/272932-the-end-of-corax/page/3/#findComment-3332442 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blacksad Posted March 21, 2013 Share Posted March 21, 2013 why debate with someone who's obviously so chaos-fanboyish as to be unable to accept anything else than his own narrowminded beliefs as a possibility? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/272932-the-end-of-corax/page/3/#findComment-3332446 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChaosLord Leon Enaek Posted March 21, 2013 Share Posted March 21, 2013 Narrow minded? No, Chaos is truth! Once you embrace the True Gods you see the universe as it truly is! Your Emperor is a joke, a rotting corpse on a broken throne, and his power dwindles even as the Eye of Terror swells and grows! All glory to Chaos! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/272932-the-end-of-corax/page/3/#findComment-3332489 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blacksad Posted March 21, 2013 Share Posted March 21, 2013 the One True God is Malal. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/272932-the-end-of-corax/page/3/#findComment-3332515 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deus Imperator Vult Posted March 21, 2013 Share Posted March 21, 2013 Shrodingers Primarchs I'm telling you so long as its vague Loyalists will believe their Primarchs battle on and Traitors will believe their skulls are on the skull throne. Thats exactly how GW will keep it cause as A D-B said doing that would get so many one star reviews and ire from one half of all space marine players would be up in arms either way. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/272932-the-end-of-corax/page/3/#findComment-3332517 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Durfast Spiritwolf Posted March 21, 2013 Share Posted March 21, 2013 Ah Space Wolves players. Predictable. Nice one! More confirmation of your tendency to conflate deductive reasoning with wild speculation. Anyway, back to painting my new Death Guard army Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/272932-the-end-of-corax/page/3/#findComment-3332525 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper Posted March 21, 2013 Share Posted March 21, 2013 Shrodingers Primarchs I'm telling you so long as its vague Loyalists will believe their Primarchs battle on and Traitors will believe their skulls are on the skull throne. Thats exactly how GW will keep it cause as A D-B said doing that would get so many one star reviews and ire from one half of all space marine players would be up in arms either way. Not denying that at all. Maybe they're just having fun, drinking beers and doing drugs. I'm just pointing out that the literal hints we have make them likely to be dead. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/272932-the-end-of-corax/page/3/#findComment-3332527 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blacksad Posted March 21, 2013 Share Posted March 21, 2013 likely being a vry important word. I'll in no way deny that it's highly unlikely for Russ to still be alive; but a sliver of a chance is a chance none the less. If I were to say France is inhabited solely by morons; I'd be wrong. If I were to say that, in vieuw of what I've witnessed, the possibility of France being populated solely by morons is there, I'm right. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/272932-the-end-of-corax/page/3/#findComment-3332531 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billuriye Posted March 21, 2013 Share Posted March 21, 2013 likely being a vry important word. I'll in no way deny that it's highly unlikely for Russ to still be alive; but a sliver of a chance is a chance none the less. If I were to say France is inhabited solely by morons; I'd be wrong. If I were to say that, in vieuw of what I've witnessed, the possibility of France being populated solely by morons is there, I'm right. Come on man, not cool. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/272932-the-end-of-corax/page/3/#findComment-3332543 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarl Kjaran Coldheart Posted March 21, 2013 Share Posted March 21, 2013 it's strange how you always express your guesses as absolute truths. Makes bile rise in my troath as soon as I see you've posted. pretty much why I didnt bother posting a reply. Whenever I see something like this posted or said, I remember what my Dad told me: "Opinions are like buttholes, everybody has one and most of them are full or crap". with no "facts" or BL sources to back up opinions, anything said with that much confidence is full of crap. I hope GW and BL can make up for this in the near future. WLK Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/272932-the-end-of-corax/page/3/#findComment-3332552 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legionator Posted March 21, 2013 Share Posted March 21, 2013 If these loyalist primarchs had been dead, we would see their equipments on several chaos champions. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/272932-the-end-of-corax/page/3/#findComment-3332560 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billuriye Posted March 21, 2013 Share Posted March 21, 2013 If these loyalist primarchs had been dead, we would see their equipments on several chaos champions. EoT houses more than Traitors. Daemons got no use for trinkets. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/272932-the-end-of-corax/page/3/#findComment-3332564 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Durfast Spiritwolf Posted March 21, 2013 Share Posted March 21, 2013 If these loyalist primarchs had been dead, we would see their equipments on several chaos champions. To be fair, there are all sorts of hints. Just nothing that can be presented as cold, hard fact - yet Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/272932-the-end-of-corax/page/3/#findComment-3332571 Share on other sites More sharing options...
yhta Posted March 21, 2013 Share Posted March 21, 2013 dursfast: well i curze stay in his way of thinking, he know that by the imperial law that he enforce, he have to be kill, he know that he is gulty and that they will use his method to enfocer that, in the end he wins, ia twisted way of think:he is a compleate monster to thinks that you ones like him to enforce de law and in the end the imperium prove him right deus: is not that, is the fact that for some fans if you are not a sociopath who kill and do things badass almost every single second then the charater is weak, just look kratos of god fo war, the fan then to downplay the fact that he is pretty much a murder psychopath to dosent understand that rip everyone maybe is not the answer, Think more of the typical fan girl to downlay the thing the bad guys do because is cute or pretty, here is more because is badass vesper:i dont know why, but that line sound lika a chaos sorcerer expecting the space wolf, really so reed the line with sindrid voice and you see and now, about russ, well we don`t really know what the warp he goes there, is there is nothing that say is dead, then is not dead, just look loken who live after a freaking titan fall, russ can make it, Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/272932-the-end-of-corax/page/3/#findComment-3332690 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deus Imperator Vult Posted March 21, 2013 Share Posted March 21, 2013 Oh my god Kratos is Angron! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/272932-the-end-of-corax/page/3/#findComment-3332724 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper Posted March 21, 2013 Share Posted March 21, 2013 vesper:i dont know why, but that line sound lika a chaos sorcererexpecting the space wolf, really so reed the line with sindrid voice and you see You know, that was the point, just goofing around with two SW players. I should use smileys more often ! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/272932-the-end-of-corax/page/3/#findComment-3332731 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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