War Angel Posted March 21, 2013 Share Posted March 21, 2013 I'm trying I use the dark blue wash to give a shade to my white, is that right? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/273068-how-do-you-use-washes-properly/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
henrywalker Posted March 21, 2013 Share Posted March 21, 2013 it can work but you have to be careful, the white will look very dark and dirty and will probably end up too blue. i have a white army and i use soft grey wash from vallejo. it is perfect, it shades it but doesn't effect the white much where i dont want it to. whatever wash you use wash the whole section do not just wash the edges or the details or whatever, if you do that you will have "tide marks" on the white sections Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/273068-how-do-you-use-washes-properly/#findComment-3332233 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razblood Posted March 21, 2013 Share Posted March 21, 2013 Thin down some pale grey (Astronomicon or Space Wolf Grey will do) about 1 part paint to 8 parts water, add a little Badab Black/Nuln Oil and apply to to the recesses tidying up an overspill with White afterwards. Or just use the simple method of a straight Black wash over the White areas and then layer White leaving the wash in the recesses, here's an example. Though to be honest the Vallejo Soft Grey wash sounds pretty awesome and I may invest in that myself Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/273068-how-do-you-use-washes-properly/#findComment-3332238 Share on other sites More sharing options...
henrywalker Posted March 21, 2013 Share Posted March 21, 2013 the great thing about it is that you don't need to clean it up after, if there isn't a recess for it to pool in then it doesn't darken the white (much) for a special character i might go back over it but for an army i just do it as is and don't tidy it, it works perfectly. check out my WIP blog in my signature for some examples. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/273068-how-do-you-use-washes-properly/#findComment-3332263 Share on other sites More sharing options...
War Angel Posted March 21, 2013 Author Share Posted March 21, 2013 Wow that looks really good. So there's no way to do it with the dark blue shade? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/273068-how-do-you-use-washes-properly/#findComment-3332421 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razblood Posted March 21, 2013 Share Posted March 21, 2013 You could do but Drakenhof Nightshade will give you a Blue tinge to your recesses. I'd advise building up a test model and experimenting with it, just to see if you like the effect. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/273068-how-do-you-use-washes-properly/#findComment-3332468 Share on other sites More sharing options...
War Angel Posted March 21, 2013 Author Share Posted March 21, 2013 Ok sorry, I missread everything earlyer. Now reading it properly, here's what I gather I should do.... Water down my drakenhof nightshade, then cover the entire white area. (Which was painted with ceramite white) then ill highlight with my white scar? Also wil this shade do anything to kantor blue? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/273068-how-do-you-use-washes-properly/#findComment-3332506 Share on other sites More sharing options...
S.k.i.t.t.l.e Posted March 21, 2013 Share Posted March 21, 2013 One way you could do it, although it involves a little more work is to do all your base colouring and then layer your highlights on, spray or brush on gloss varnish, slather on your wash and when its fully dry, use a q-tip or one of those little sponges with a handle that girls use to apply eye shadow (moms/girlfriends/sisters etc will have oodles of em :D) dipped in mineral spirits (alcohol works somewhat too) and wipe off the wash from the areas you don't want it. The varnish will protect your previous layers and you'll be left with a tidy job. :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/273068-how-do-you-use-washes-properly/#findComment-3332561 Share on other sites More sharing options...
War Angel Posted March 21, 2013 Author Share Posted March 21, 2013 Would you recomend that method over my current? Since you brought it up, how important is it to varnish my models after I finish them? And what would be the effects if I decided later that I wanted to make improvements to the models? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/273068-how-do-you-use-washes-properly/#findComment-3332583 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razblood Posted March 21, 2013 Share Posted March 21, 2013 Ok sorry, I missread everything earlyer. Now reading it properly, here's what I gather I should do.... Water down my drakenhof nightshade, then cover the entire white area. (Which was painted with ceramite white) then ill highlight with my white scar? Also wil this shade do anything to kantor blue? Pretty much this, though you may not need to water it down as it isn't very thick to begin with. As for Kantor Blue I think it may very very slightly darken it, but I've used it with Mordian Blue and it's just slightly darkened the recesses. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/273068-how-do-you-use-washes-properly/#findComment-3332614 Share on other sites More sharing options...
S.k.i.t.t.l.e Posted March 21, 2013 Share Posted March 21, 2013 I would recommend varnishing with matt varnish when you're done, especially if you play with them. You can easily paint over matt, so no worries there. As to the technique being better, its just whatever you prefer to do dude, and whether it gives you the results you want. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/273068-how-do-you-use-washes-properly/#findComment-3332616 Share on other sites More sharing options...
War Angel Posted March 21, 2013 Author Share Posted March 21, 2013 Thanks guys, I appreciate it. I'm going to test the shade 100% on a model and see how that works. Will I need to go back over it with the base at all though? Just to be clear, I'm only highlighting IE edging with the white scar, right? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/273068-how-do-you-use-washes-properly/#findComment-3332669 Share on other sites More sharing options...
S.k.i.t.t.l.e Posted March 21, 2013 Share Posted March 21, 2013 I would say it will depend how carefully you apply it, if you are very careful and only get it where you want it, you may not have much in the way of tidying up to do. Actually the gloss varnish method I mention is great for that, as the wash tends not to pool on the surface, but run into the cracks and corners. :) Good luck with your painting dude. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/273068-how-do-you-use-washes-properly/#findComment-3332798 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razblood Posted March 21, 2013 Share Posted March 21, 2013 As S.k.i.t.t.l.e says it is down to how you apply it. If you are going to splodge it on all over then you will need to layer the White Scar over the areas you want pure white, but it's not too time consuming and can yield some good results. Good luck with it ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/273068-how-do-you-use-washes-properly/#findComment-3332808 Share on other sites More sharing options...
War Angel Posted March 21, 2013 Author Share Posted March 21, 2013 Thanks, I've painted up a few things to test the procedure on before I advance... I decided not to risk screwing this up, seeing as my chapters first company has white legs, I don't want to have a bunch of half assed sternguard running around because I was in a hurry. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/273068-how-do-you-use-washes-properly/#findComment-3332813 Share on other sites More sharing options...
War Angel Posted March 21, 2013 Author Share Posted March 21, 2013 Ok, so I just splashed some of the drakenhof all over an old old approthicary I had, he's looking pretty blue everywhere... Now I just highlight the tops, but then what about all the neutral areas???? They'll still be blue. I don't think I concentrated it enough because I'm not really sure that the recesses are any darker than the other blue spots lol Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/273068-how-do-you-use-washes-properly/#findComment-3332822 Share on other sites More sharing options...
War Angel Posted March 21, 2013 Author Share Posted March 21, 2013 I really want to thank you guys for walking me through on this, I know It's probably annoying, but I'm like a protective mother with my little babies, and I want to see them be the best they can, and do well in sports, and get a scholarship so they can go to a nice collage and get a good job so I can be put into a nice home instead of becoming homeless. I mean I want them to look good...... Lol. So Ive been testing different things on different areas of this poor test subject, I mean ultramarine.... And it seems like a few well aimed dry brush applications is looking pretty good. I wish I could upload from my phone because then I could show you all for judgment Almost gives a kinda... Polished stone look to em.... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/273068-how-do-you-use-washes-properly/#findComment-3332833 Share on other sites More sharing options...
War Angel Posted March 21, 2013 Author Share Posted March 21, 2013 I just realized, when I was purchasing what I thought I would need for painting white, I grabbed "ulthuan gray" Is there some way I can put this into the process? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/273068-how-do-you-use-washes-properly/#findComment-3332839 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razblood Posted March 21, 2013 Share Posted March 21, 2013 Ulthuan Grey would be a good midtone. As for the "highlighting" it's not just the edges that you'll need to reapply the white to, it's everything that you want to be white. Only leaving the panel lines and crevices untouched. Drybrushing Ulthuan Grey after the wash and then highlighting that with White Scar should give you a nice effect. And no worries about thanking us, it's what were here for if we can help ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/273068-how-do-you-use-washes-properly/#findComment-3332866 Share on other sites More sharing options...
War Angel Posted March 22, 2013 Author Share Posted March 22, 2013 i think it came out better on my aprothicary, but here it is, what do you think? should i do it to all of my marines? http://i1148.photobucket.com/albums/o567/lastdog/IMG_1106_zps45f659db.jpg Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/273068-how-do-you-use-washes-properly/#findComment-3332897 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razblood Posted March 22, 2013 Share Posted March 22, 2013 Looks good, but you may want to apply a little more wash to the panel lines on the marines thighs and then just tidy up any overspill. I think when arrayed for battle that little bit of shading to the white will make a world of difference to your army ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/273068-how-do-you-use-washes-properly/#findComment-3333440 Share on other sites More sharing options...
War Angel Posted March 22, 2013 Author Share Posted March 22, 2013 Thanks, so I should keep doing the same procedure? Or not doing the dry brushing. On a side note, is the current GW painting guide booklet thing relevant to the new paints? Or is it the set before this one? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/273068-how-do-you-use-washes-properly/#findComment-3333475 Share on other sites More sharing options...
War Angel Posted March 22, 2013 Author Share Posted March 22, 2013 Te dry brushing is a little chunky... What am I doing messed up? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/273068-how-do-you-use-washes-properly/#findComment-3333526 Share on other sites More sharing options...
S.k.i.t.t.l.e Posted March 22, 2013 Share Posted March 22, 2013 Throw out your dry brush for models... Use it on fur or sand/gravel bases... And thats it. For really smooth white you gotta shake the hell out of the pot for a few minutes (actually watch a clock or something for 2 or 3 minutes, its waaaay longer than you think) and you need to thin it out, quite a lot, before you put it on your model. When you are painting it on, at least 3 layers or so is required for smoothness (in my experience), the thinner/more layers the better. Lots of really thin layers will get rid of any chunkiness and also decrease any chalkiness which is a big problem with really light colours. Hope this helps dude. <Edit> Also if you are going to thin quite a lot, use windex or water with a teeny bit of dishwashing liquid or even an acrylic (matt) medium to thin it out as thes can help to prevent any pigment clumping. :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/273068-how-do-you-use-washes-properly/#findComment-3333559 Share on other sites More sharing options...
War Angel Posted March 22, 2013 Author Share Posted March 22, 2013 How much windex, and I have no matt Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/273068-how-do-you-use-washes-properly/#findComment-3333580 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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