Sgt.Sangha Posted March 21, 2013 Share Posted March 21, 2013 Iv always been kind of bothered by this, so I hope someone can illuminate me. Were there two hammers named Forgebreaker or is it just one? Fulgrim has one and then Perturabo also has one, is it the same one. If it is then why does Perturabo have it when originally it was a gift between Ferrus and Fulgrim. Also in the novels Fulgrim its description is different then the description it is given in Angel Exterminatus. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/273071-forgebreaker/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
berzerkermike84 Posted March 21, 2013 Share Posted March 21, 2013 just one. Fulgrim took the weapon and head of Ferrus and presented them to Horus. Horus then gave the hammer to Perturbo right before the assault on Terra. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/273071-forgebreaker/#findComment-3332286 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Custodian Athiair Posted March 21, 2013 Share Posted March 21, 2013 Hold on so what was Perturabo's weapon before then??? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/273071-forgebreaker/#findComment-3332318 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pavel Araghast Posted March 21, 2013 Share Posted March 21, 2013 I think you should wait for HH book 2 Massacre where Perturabo will be described. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/273071-forgebreaker/#findComment-3332326 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billuriye Posted March 21, 2013 Share Posted March 21, 2013 It's pretty clear that Forgebreaker is Forgebreaker, which is made by Fulgrim. It's owners goes like Fulgrim > Ferrus > Fulgrim > Horus > Perturabo. Perturabo probably customized it to his liking. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/273071-forgebreaker/#findComment-3332349 Share on other sites More sharing options...
lokkorex Posted March 21, 2013 Share Posted March 21, 2013 the timeline doesn't add up though. horus gives perurabo forgebreaker after he tells perturabo about the rebellion on olympia, which is pre-isstvan massacre. then during the isstvan massacre, fulgrim kills ferrus and takes his hammer and head? or did BL reckon the whole thing? and whats this nonsense about the iron hands recovering forgebreaker millenia later? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/273071-forgebreaker/#findComment-3332368 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nehekhare Posted March 21, 2013 Share Posted March 21, 2013 Forgebreaker is taken by Fulgrim even before the massacre, when he fails to sway the Gorgon to Horuses side onboard the Fist of Iron (Fulgrim p.99). However, Fulgrim wields the hammer when he meets with Ferrus at Istvaan V. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/273071-forgebreaker/#findComment-3332384 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arachnid99 Posted March 21, 2013 Share Posted March 21, 2013 I'm pretty sure there is only one Forgebreaker it's just there have been some continuity stuff ups so both Fulgrim and Perturabo wield it on Istvaan V, after that it's definitely just Perturabo. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/273071-forgebreaker/#findComment-3332439 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nexus25 Posted March 21, 2013 Share Posted March 21, 2013 Just a side note the hammer Perturbo has is called FOEBREAKER. It is still probably Forgebreaker but just renamed by him. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/273071-forgebreaker/#findComment-3332457 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Father Ferrum Posted March 21, 2013 Share Posted March 21, 2013 the timeline doesn't add up though. horus gives perurabo forgebreaker after he tells perturabo about the rebellion on olympia, which is pre-isstvan massacre. then during the isstvan massacre, fulgrim kills ferrus and takes his hammer and head? or did BL reckon the whole thing? and whats this nonsense about the iron hands recovering forgebreaker millenia later? That nonsense about its recovery is a product of someone putting fan fiction on Lexicanum. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/273071-forgebreaker/#findComment-3332473 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nehekhare Posted March 21, 2013 Share Posted March 21, 2013 Just a side note the hammer Perturbo has is called FOEBREAKER. It is still probably Forgebreaker but just renamed by him. <citation needed> btw. this passage from angel exterminatus (ch.V) might implicate that Forgebreaker was given to Perturabo after the Olympian genocide : With the cooling of Olympia’s mass pyres had come the realisation that nothing he could ever do from that moment could ever atone for a worldwide genocide. His father would never forgive him so grievous a sin, but Horus had not only forgiven it, he had lauded his thoroughness and dedication. Horus had sworn Perturabo never to feel guilt over what he had done to Olympia, but that was an oath easier to make than to live by. Fools claimed Forgebreaker had sealed the pact between the Warmaster and the Iron Warriors, but only Perturabo knew it was forgiveness that bound the Iron Warriors to Horus Lupercal. Of course, this directly contradicts the IA article: It was Horus who broke the news to Perturabo that Olympia was in rebellion. [...] Before his departure, Horus presented Perturabo with the hammer Forgebreaker. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/273071-forgebreaker/#findComment-3332536 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted March 21, 2013 Share Posted March 21, 2013 It all works out if you assume that Horus gave Forgebreaker to Pert after the Drop Site Massacre. As to what he used before then, The First Heretic mentions he had a great big hammer but doesn't describe it or name it as Forgebreaker, so...some other big hammer, probably called Iron/Ferrous Something Or Other. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/273071-forgebreaker/#findComment-3332556 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anvilarium Posted March 21, 2013 Share Posted March 21, 2013 I think you should wait for HH book 2 Massacre where Perturabo will be described. The Iron Warriors will not be in Massacre. FW have confirmed that the four Legions featured in Massacre are: Iron Hands Salamanders Night Lords Word Bearers Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/273071-forgebreaker/#findComment-3332588 Share on other sites More sharing options...
lokkorex Posted March 21, 2013 Share Posted March 21, 2013 yep, we of the fourth legion have to wait for Massacre Part Two, along with the shadow warriors of Corax, and the Twentieth. how could fulgrim take the hammer off ferrus? you don't just pluck a big freaking hammer from a furious demi-god busy trying to smash your face in with it. ...unless mat ward writes your background. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/273071-forgebreaker/#findComment-3332672 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billuriye Posted March 21, 2013 Share Posted March 21, 2013 how could fulgrim take the hammer off ferrus? you don't just pluck a big freaking hammer from a furious demi-god busy trying to smash your face in with it. ...unless mat ward writes your background. He wasn't busy. He had plenty of time after Fulgrim knocked him out. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/273071-forgebreaker/#findComment-3332695 Share on other sites More sharing options...
lokkorex Posted March 21, 2013 Share Posted March 21, 2013 ok, that i didn't know. i find it hard to imagine though, puny fulgrim knocking ferrus out. was he wearing a power fist? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/273071-forgebreaker/#findComment-3332699 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billuriye Posted March 21, 2013 Share Posted March 21, 2013 ok, that i didn't know. i find it hard to imagine though, puny fulgrim knocking ferrus out. was he wearing a power fist? No, Ferrus destroyed Fireblade showcasing his unique arms and the explosion blew him away. Fulgrim seized the opportunity and beat him bloody till his jaw broke. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/273071-forgebreaker/#findComment-3332706 Share on other sites More sharing options...
lokkorex Posted March 21, 2013 Share Posted March 21, 2013 that sounds more like old metal-hands! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/273071-forgebreaker/#findComment-3332708 Share on other sites More sharing options...
berzerkermike84 Posted March 21, 2013 Share Posted March 21, 2013 most likely the authors of the books take liberties to the extreme when they write the books. So some things might not add up. DEATH TO THE EMPEROR Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/273071-forgebreaker/#findComment-3332837 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt.Sangha Posted March 22, 2013 Author Share Posted March 22, 2013 funny thing is i think both books were written by the same author.... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/273071-forgebreaker/#findComment-3332954 Share on other sites More sharing options...
berzerkermike84 Posted March 22, 2013 Share Posted March 22, 2013 well poo. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/273071-forgebreaker/#findComment-3332957 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadDoc Posted March 22, 2013 Share Posted March 22, 2013 That nonsense about its recovery is a product of someone putting fan fiction on Lexicanum. Fixed that for you. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/273071-forgebreaker/#findComment-3332958 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pavel Araghast Posted March 22, 2013 Share Posted March 22, 2013 I think you should wait for HH book 2 Massacre where Perturabo will be described. The Iron Warriors will not be in Massacre. FW have confirmed that the four Legions featured in Massacre are: Iron Hands Salamanders Night Lords Word Bearers Sorry, my bad. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/273071-forgebreaker/#findComment-3332994 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Father Ferrum Posted March 22, 2013 Share Posted March 22, 2013 That nonsense about its recovery is a product of someone putting fan fiction on Lexicanum. Fixed that for you. Well played, sir. Well played. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/273071-forgebreaker/#findComment-3333187 Share on other sites More sharing options...
malika666 Posted March 22, 2013 Share Posted March 22, 2013 You all seem to forget that it was the Warp that caused the inconsistency... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/273071-forgebreaker/#findComment-3333359 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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