Wade Garrett Posted May 5, 2013 Share Posted May 5, 2013 In Savage Weapons, where Konrad Curze receives the reward of treachery from the hands of Lion in Caliban steel. So now the rewards of treachery include throttling some sucker punching chump to half death with your bare hands? Interesting. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/273258-favourite-scene-of-the-heresy-so-far/page/4/#findComment-3364922 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthMarko Posted May 5, 2013 Share Posted May 5, 2013 Wade don't be like that, Lion's neck was winning that fight... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/273258-favourite-scene-of-the-heresy-so-far/page/4/#findComment-3364957 Share on other sites More sharing options...
[TA]Typher Posted May 6, 2013 Share Posted May 6, 2013 So now the rewards of treachery include throttling some sucker punching chump to half to death with your bare hands? Interesting. Maybe he sent him a E-mail stating his intentions and Curzes internet provider was down? I didn't know war was suppose to be fair. I'd gladly take a little choking if I get to slit my enemies throat and place him in a coma. Oh, and lets not forget about killing a full 3rd of his Legion, causing it to fracture and flee in every direction. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/273258-favourite-scene-of-the-heresy-so-far/page/4/#findComment-3365015 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prot Posted May 8, 2013 Share Posted May 8, 2013 This is a cool thread. There are so many great moments I wish I had my favorite excerpts in a little collection. I will do this purely from memory and obviously these moments really stuck out in my mind. I have to be honest I will probably get the novels wrong, but here goes nothing: - The first moments where Loken tells his fellow Sons of Horus (newly named) how he defeated the Emperor. What a great way to start that novel or even the series. The innocence of the whole scene essentially launching the beginning of the end, and it is a great moment that greatly represents the 'way it was' and would never be again. - A short story that stuck with me. The Emperor incognito has a heartfelt discussion with a priest from a church that is surely doomed. The religious discussion leads to a chance meeting the two had in the past. - Horus nearly dead. The impossible seems to be happening. And it's all at the hands of the Word Bearers. It's a moment that still makes me grind my teeth. Why, WHY, WHY did the Emperor never tell his children of Chaos? How much of this could have been avoided, guarded against? - The moment where the Thousand Sons seem unbeatable! But the price is high, they start mutating beyond belief, truly realizing their peril. Enter Leman Russ. It all bounces off of him like rubber bullets. The Wolves are the anti-Chaos, the anti-marines. The depiction of Wolves in that novel changes a lot of things for me. - Magnus the Red, hoodwinked by Chaos, realizes he's been deceived. In an effort to travel the warp and warn terra he is somehow transformed. He sees himself as a beautiful creature capable of almost anything at this point, but upon reaching terra he is seen as a hideous daemon whose mere sight causes death. This is how most of my Monday morning go at work. - Garro accross a table from the mighty Rogal Dorn. The unfathomable has happened, and Garro forces himself to come to terms with the truth. Dorn's reaction to the news that Horus has betrayed the Emperor is impossible to comprehend. Dorn reacts with an angry slap that nearly kills Garro. - Logar's willing acceptance into Chaos. A weird interaction with a daemon gives us a glimpse of the Emperor creating the Primarch's. There are hints of deception in this portrayal, however, it begs the questions: how intimate is the Emperor with Chaos? Was a deal ever struck between the Emperor and Chaos? Are the two somehow related? Was chaos (willingly, or unwillingly) involved in the creation of the Primarchs???? Will we ever know? - The above novel gives us an interesting look at the Praetorians. A champion of the Word Bearers willing become 'possessed' for the wishes of his primarch. He is torn at the decision, and so am I. Praetorians are depicted as the same, but very different from marines; mechanical, efficient, killing machines. (In a short story later on, one Praetorian is tasked with weeks of hiding, and trying to break into the fortress on Terra and killing the Emperor, it's a good story, read it if you can.) - Loken (unorthodox) fighting Lucius (orthodox) in a 'cage match'. Loken beats Lucius (yay!) but would he now? Lucius through the novels becomes someone I love to hate. - The Iron Warriors have their own little club well before it was cool. And guess what they do there? They play 40K!!! A very cool scene, and a fantastic insight to how much importance the Iron Warriors place on tactical supremacy, and siege warfare! - The glimpse of the future (true or false?) that is presented to the Alpha Legion. They make a decision, but what is that decision based on? Is it based on the ability to fight Chaos from within Chaos? Or is it based on the belief that the Emperor must die? - I've always suspected the Iron Warriors were not a 'Chaosy' chaos army. :) They are as I had always seen them: Under-appreciated, polarized, and pushed over the edge. Like the Alpha Legion the books have me wondering their true place in all of this. Are their hearts in it? Everything around them is spinning, and no option seems like a good one. - The Emperor chastising Logar. How could the Emperor not see what he had done? How could Logar not understand the Emperor did not covet a religion? Perhaps the beginning of the end is in this moment? (Side note: Love the moment where Guilleman is wacked pretty hard here.) - Istvann. Logar's death is nearly certain. He seems tactically and personally incapable of true hand to hand combat (on the level of his brother primarchs). If not for 'divine' intervention, an insignificant moment here could have changed everything..... I could go on and on.... but I see what I thought would be a small post has become rather large. I apologize for that, but at the same time a lot of moments really stick with me from the series. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/273258-favourite-scene-of-the-heresy-so-far/page/4/#findComment-3366903 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Custodian Athiair Posted May 8, 2013 Share Posted May 8, 2013 I completely agree with your comment about the Iron Warriors and Alpha Legion. In the fact they aren't true chaos legions, just were taken onto their side. It's something that I also thought about when considering collecting them as 40K armies. I almost want them to fight as normal soldiers (of course Alpha Legion sneaky boys) but the Iron Warriors relying on bodies and gunpowder, not deamons and other things. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/273258-favourite-scene-of-the-heresy-so-far/page/4/#findComment-3366984 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aegnor Posted May 9, 2013 Share Posted May 9, 2013 In A Thousand Sons, with the invasion of Prospero in full swing. Two TS captains see a squad of seven Custodes screaming towards them on jetbikes and smash them out of the air with their psychic powers. '..."Custodes", Phosis T'kar grunted. "They're not so tough."...' Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/273258-favourite-scene-of-the-heresy-so-far/page/4/#findComment-3367599 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aias Posted May 9, 2013 Share Posted May 9, 2013 Gotta say, one of my favorite scenes in the Heresy so far was the story 'The Iron Within'. From the description of the Schadenhold (seriously, I was hearing Saruman's theme from LotR playing as I thought about it) to the reveal of the last ditch plan, I loved it. Makes me want to build up some Iron Warriors, which I have no money for. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/273258-favourite-scene-of-the-heresy-so-far/page/4/#findComment-3367648 Share on other sites More sharing options...
weycon Posted May 9, 2013 Share Posted May 9, 2013 in Betrayer when Angron explains the meaning of courage and honour to Roboute.. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/273258-favourite-scene-of-the-heresy-so-far/page/4/#findComment-3367680 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arachnid99 Posted May 9, 2013 Share Posted May 9, 2013 in Betrayer when Angron explains the meaning of courage and honour to Roboute.. That was fantastic, that book completely changed my view on Angron and the World Eaters. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/273258-favourite-scene-of-the-heresy-so-far/page/4/#findComment-3367885 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joeyray Posted May 9, 2013 Share Posted May 9, 2013 When Loken tells Torgaddon that they will never make and Ultramarine out of him and his response saying they are more straight up and down than Loken and they would never accept his cavalier attitude. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/273258-favourite-scene-of-the-heresy-so-far/page/4/#findComment-3367937 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legionator Posted May 10, 2013 Share Posted May 10, 2013 in Betrayer when Angron explains the meaning of courage and honour to Roboute.. That was fantastic, that book completely changed my view on Angron and the World Eaters. It was just a usual traitor rubbish. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/273258-favourite-scene-of-the-heresy-so-far/page/4/#findComment-3368081 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Visitor13 Posted May 10, 2013 Share Posted May 10, 2013 in Betrayer when Angron explains the meaning of courage and honour to Roboute.. Especially the part in which he does it with his chainswords. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/273258-favourite-scene-of-the-heresy-so-far/page/4/#findComment-3368178 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper Posted May 10, 2013 Share Posted May 10, 2013 in Betrayer when Angron explains the meaning of courage and honour to Roboute.. That was fantastic, that book completely changed my view on Angron and the World Eaters. It was just a usual traitor rubbish. Thanks for making it even more awesome :). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/273258-favourite-scene-of-the-heresy-so-far/page/4/#findComment-3368238 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kais Klip Posted May 10, 2013 Share Posted May 10, 2013 Too many to list, though most points already mentioned and especially by Prot are all close to the heart. Been sitting on this one for quite a while, wonder if anyone else noticed Abnett's nod in KNF to the lasgun-flashlight meme going around? Veridia Forge lasgun model "Illuminator VI" Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/273258-favourite-scene-of-the-heresy-so-far/page/4/#findComment-3368260 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arachnid99 Posted May 10, 2013 Share Posted May 10, 2013 in Betrayer when Angron explains the meaning of courage and honour to Roboute.. That was fantastic, that book completely changed my view on Angron and the World Eaters. It was just a usual traitor rubbish. How so? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/273258-favourite-scene-of-the-heresy-so-far/page/4/#findComment-3368395 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prot Posted May 10, 2013 Share Posted May 10, 2013 Too many to list, though most points already mentioned and especially by Prot are all close to the heart. Been sitting on this one for quite a while, wonder if anyone else noticed Abnett's nod in KNF to the lasgun-flashlight meme going around? Veridia Forge lasgun model "Illuminator VI" Ha! No I missed that. Good catch. Thanks for the compliment on the points I really liked in the series. Honestly, I could have made a post double that size but wanted to keep it light. To be honest as I come to a finish on Angel Exterminatus I am extremely impressed with it. Graham McNeil did an amazing job with Storm of Iron all those years ago and everyone has held him to that standard.... including myself. (Was this unfair? I don't know) I believe SoI had things going for it that can only happen once and then they aren't 'new' or 'fresh' anymore but I will say this: I honestly think Angel Exterminatus is the best thing Graham has written since Storm of Iron. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/273258-favourite-scene-of-the-heresy-so-far/page/4/#findComment-3368413 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legionator Posted May 10, 2013 Share Posted May 10, 2013 in Betrayer when Angron explains the meaning of courage and honour to Roboute.. That was fantastic, that book completely changed my view on Angron and the World Eaters. It was just a usual traitor rubbish. How so? "Honour is resisting a tyrant when all others suckle and grow fat on the hypocrisy he feeds them. You know nothing of honour. BTW, I virus bombed my own sons and I am fighting for enslaving the humanity for a blood thirsty god. I'm full of courage and honor. Cheers." - Absolute traitor rubbish. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/273258-favourite-scene-of-the-heresy-so-far/page/4/#findComment-3368543 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted May 10, 2013 Share Posted May 10, 2013 By the logic in that quote, the Loyalist World Eaters had no honor for being loyal to the same tyrant as Russ. Angron had a gladiator's honor, not the honor of a chivalric knight. That code of honor is kill or be killed and the only right way to die is either in battle or of old age as an undefeated champion. Loyalty is rewarded with loyalty. lack of loyalty is rewarded with death. To you, it might be rubbish. To Angron, it was what his brothers and sisters taught him. Those same brothers and sisters the Emperor had condemned to death. The same brothers and sisters that Angron was forced to watch die just so He(the Emperor) could have another general to lead one more of his Legions. Some of us are able to glimpse into that mindset. Some are living in it. Some just see it as madness and rubbish. But the same can be said of your mindset, my mindset and Russ' mindset. Everything is about perception. How we see the worlds around us. We are all drawn to the Legions/Chapters/Warbands/DIY that we are because we are able to glimpse that mindset and realize some of ourselves living in them. We use it as a release, to be what we can't. But, to call another view, another's mindset, another's personality, trash and rubbish is....... hardly commendable. One might say there is no honor in it. EDIT: Also, there is no "tyranny" in Chaos, only its servants. Chaos in its purest form is nothing more than "survival of the fittest" brought to its most extreme form. It is evolution, pure and simple. There is no "right" or "wrong", only action and consequence. You either evolve to become supreme, or become extinct. Even slaves have a chance to become daemon princes. It is their fault if they fail. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/273258-favourite-scene-of-the-heresy-so-far/page/4/#findComment-3368552 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legionator Posted May 10, 2013 Share Posted May 10, 2013 @Kol_Saresk: We discussed it in "Did the Emperor Really Saved Angron?" topic. The thing is Angron wasn't a gladiator; he was a primarch, vanguard of humanity's advance. "Dignitas" requires a man to behave according to his poisition. Not petty grudges or somewhat childhood trauma. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/273258-favourite-scene-of-the-heresy-so-far/page/4/#findComment-3368556 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted May 10, 2013 Share Posted May 10, 2013 Actually, he was a Primarch who was raised as a gladiator. What happened to him was basically taking a child soldier from Africa and putting him in charge of say, the USMC or the Welsh regiment ned after Princess Diana. It is a fact that what happens to us defines and how much it does so differs from person to person for unknown reasons. In the case of Angron, it broke him and to expect him to behave like Guilliman is like expecting the same child soldier turned general to be like Alexander the Great, Hannibal, Julius Caeser, Salahadin, Winston Churchill and all the other "great" military leaders. We all view things differently. You view it that Angron should have obeyed like a proper general who didn't have pain-engines burning in his skull whenever he wasn't killing something and was quite arguably the most broken primarch. I view it as the man was broken and if I was the Emperor, I would have let him die with his brothers and sisters so that he might be at peace, but as a spectator, I know that isn't what happened and I can somewhat understand his motives, if not the convictions to go through with them. If anything, that discussion proves my point(which was ironically derived from that discussion) that perception is everything and as people who have free will, we each have our own perceptions because we are not tin soldiers pressed off of a manufacturing line. Dignitas demands that government leaders are to take care of those people they are put in charge of. History and current events shows just how well that usually works out. Just because something is supposed to happen, it doesn't mean it will. Although now we are getting off-topic and should leave the discussion alone before the mods and admins melta blast it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/273258-favourite-scene-of-the-heresy-so-far/page/4/#findComment-3368572 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirAstartes Posted May 10, 2013 Share Posted May 10, 2013 What book is the stuff with Lorgar on Istvann in? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/273258-favourite-scene-of-the-heresy-so-far/page/4/#findComment-3368578 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted May 10, 2013 Share Posted May 10, 2013 What book is the stuff with Lorgar on Istvann in? "The First Heretic" by Aaron Dembski-Bowden Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/273258-favourite-scene-of-the-heresy-so-far/page/4/#findComment-3368582 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted May 10, 2013 Share Posted May 10, 2013 On one hand chaos is weak willed whiny and rebellious to lawful and natural authority. Then A D-B writes them and they go from moustache twirling whiners to the guys who accepted the hard truth of the galaxy and rebelled for the reasons they believed were right. Then somebody else writes them and they go back to being shallow power mongers. That's the main reason I scrapped the ideas for an iron warrior warband. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/273258-favourite-scene-of-the-heresy-so-far/page/4/#findComment-3368643 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted May 10, 2013 Share Posted May 10, 2013 I thought Graham Mcneil did Perturabo justice (although his portrayal of III Legion never saw a puppy they didn't try to squishy with a Power Fist) but comparing Argel Tal and the Vakrah Jal to, say Marduk's host? "Where is your brotherhood? Where is your discipline? We sacrifice pain to the gods behind reality, yet it is a chore like any other. NOT a pleasure to be revealed in. NOT an end in an of itself. That one such as you claims the gene seed of Blessed Lorgar sickens me. Depart from my presence, BOY, for I will not sully my claws on such dregs. ..I will drag your screaming soul from its mortal cage and drag it before the gaze of the gods, that you might truly learn of sacrifice and martyrdom." Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/273258-favourite-scene-of-the-heresy-so-far/page/4/#findComment-3368673 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vile Siren Posted May 11, 2013 Share Posted May 11, 2013 I would have to say my top 5 scenes so far in no particular order: 1: The duel between Fulgrim and Ferrus whether you think it was fair or not I like how you see brother who were so close fight one another with heartbreaker rage. 2: Khârn fighting Erebus. 3: Angron fighting Guilliman and talking about him about courage and honour! 4: Fulgrim acting crazy(For some reason Fulgrim reminds of the Joker for Batman, don't know exactly why he just does) 5: Both Angron and Fulgrim turning into daemon princes(Even though I am kind of confused with Fulgrim's ascension becuase from what I read I thought he needed to kill Perturabo, so if anyone could explain in dumbed down terms that would be great ) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/273258-favourite-scene-of-the-heresy-so-far/page/4/#findComment-3368781 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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