How to justify an Iron hands successor!

[Skylar D'Forge]

So If I have the planet somewhere on the border of imperial space, Have the chapter Conquer it from some foul xenos or traitor scum and then claim it as its own by right, owe. As a reason for them choosing this place over others, I was thinking that Two habitable planets in the same solar system would be rear-ish and this would be seen as a blessing from the Emperor, also the indigenous populations of the planets which will have reverted to only just space capable heavily tribal Communities, one being a kind of 'Greek or Roman' like culture and the other more 'Thracian, Dacian perhaps even Scythia' (Scythianic?) Will have a large impression on them, due to there resistance of the invading communities! 

[soddinnutter]

Two inhabitable worlds in the same solar system is not impossible.

 

If they were distant sibling stars perhaps. But then they would probably be considered two separate systems.

 

If the star was exceptionally large the Goldie Locks Zone would be much larger and further away from the star. You might be able to fit two planets into the edges of this zone. One would be a roasted hell hole only inhabitable at the poles and the other would be an ice ball with life to be found only at the equator. Also a star that big would probably irradiate the planets in any case.

More possible is a gas giant in the temperate band with some inhabitable moons.

 

I can’t even begin to imagine the complex day/night and summer/winter cycles such worlds would have. Maybe if they were tide-locked to their parent planet like our glorious moon then it would be a little more predictable.

 

Or you could have your chapter interpret the Emperor’s Tarot as a set of coordinates and decide to set sail for the nearest system to them. No inhabitable worlds.

First thing to do would be to set up ice-cracking industries on some far orbit ice ball and build up from that. If you can live under 120 miles of rock in a hive built in the stygian depths and powered by geo-thermal then you are probably siege-proof.

[Skylar D'Forge]

Two inhabitable worlds in the same solar system is not impossible.

Why do you think its impossible, i don't want to start a science war over this but... EARTH..... MARS.... Both habitable with today's technology, with the 'golden age tech' that colonized the planets in the first place i'm sure Terra-forming would be available, also, the 'goldylocks' theory of planetary orbit has been proven false due to elliptical orbits, tectonic activity and other factors which make planets habitable...

More possible is a gas giant in the temperate band with some inhabitable moons.

I really like this idea, I may have this as the basis for the second planet!

 

As always Cheer's for the help!

[soddinnutter]

Mars is not, nor ever will be, habitable in the traditional walking around without an oxygen mask and a arconditioned suit sense.

 

The atmosphere is too thin to support anything higher than bacteria cowering in rocks away from the UV. The atmosphere and surface are too dry and cold. There is no magnetic field so even if a new atmospher is aquired solar wind will deplete it. The gravity is too low so even if the atmospher is thickened, the surface warmed and the northen lights switched back on the water vapour us still going to leach out into space.

 

By the time we have the techno-know-how to solve these problems it probably won't be worth the effort.

 

I will admit my use of the Goldie Locks Zone was a stupid thing to do.

 

An easier thing would be to bury a nuclear reactor near somewhere with little to no techtonic activity but pockets of water ice. Dig out some caves, install halogen bulbs and create an Eden far from the blasted surface.

 

But if the presance of a bit of warmth and water is all it takes to classify a world as inhabitabble then so are Europa, Triton, Titan and Ganymede. Its just that Mars is closer.

[Skylar D'Forge]

I know that titan at-least, is thought to be habitibal due to tectonic activity under the icesheets if I recall and Triton is similar to it, but mars is pretty close, If it was bigger it would have the gravity to hold an atmosphere, and although the planet would be cold for sure it would be habitable, so I think the conclusion to be had is, There 'can' be more then one habitable world in a solar system, it just needs the factors to be correct! 

 

Anyway , This Is Sci Fi Damn-it! I might also through scantly clad ninja babes in whilst I'm at it!

 

back on topic, I was thinking of having failed applicants be given a choice, one is to join some arena were they fight either to the death or to earn the right to try again, or they can join the Imperial guard that fight alongside the chapter (what I'm currently calling the 'Iron Brigade') Which will make sure there are sturdy above average recruits in flow into that army and finally the third choice given to a failed applicant is to be made into a combat servitor, namely those new forge world miniatures the 'thrax cohort'?  (this last option will be forced if the applicant displays sign of corruption or is injured beyond repair during the trials!) 
 

Its this last  option that I'm paused on, Are they aloud to do this?

[NightrawenII]

They are Iron Hands - they would turn them in servitors outright for the sin of failure.

 

Anyway, SM Chapter cannot raise IG regiments, it's against the spirit of Guilliman's reforms; separation of power and all the jazz. And if this is IG regiment proper it would be under directory of Departmento Munitorium.

 

 

~ NightrawenII

[XKhalilX]

hey brother. i read some but not all posts so forgive if what i say been covered.

 

i suggest create them.pre moirae schism. but the schism really affects the core ideology of the chapter. do they side with the IH or the moirae belief or perhaps fall somewhere in between?

 

i myself am having to do a HUGE overhaul of my children of eternity because of the schism. my COE are IH geneseed througg the sons..although they may not remain successors from the sons of medusa. im in my own qanundrum.

 

hey brother. i read some but not all posts so forgive if what i say been covered.

 

i suggest create them.pre moirae schism. but the schism really affects the core ideology of the chapter. do they side with the IH or the moirae belief or perhaps fall somewhere in between?

 

i myself am having to do a HUGE overhaul of my children of eternity because of the schism. my COE are IH geneseed througg the sons..although they may not remain successors from the sons of medusa. im in my own qanundrum.

[soddinnutter]

Although the Adeptus Astartes are not allowed to control the Regiments of the Imperial Guard they are allowed to fight alongside them.

 

And maybe they often (70-90% of the time) fight alongside the regiments who originate on their own homeworld. And maybe the Generals of these regiments often listen to the advice of the Chapter for its centuries of living experiance. And maybe a sizable percentage of the regiment is made up of failed aspirants as only 1 in 1,000 are ever good enough and the few hundred who fail but survive are still pretty good warriors, got to send them somewhere and servitoring them is just wasteful.

 

The Astartes would typically wreckingball their way through a problem and leave the Regiments to come in, mop up and fortify should they choose to.

 

Seperation of power is preserved, the Astartes get to head a crusade and the IG get to fight a dazed and confused enemy. Everyone is happy. Or equally unhappy which ammounts to much the same thing in the 40k universe.

[Ecritter]

You were good till you started talking about failed aspirants.  Those become chapter serfs, man the chapter's fleet, etc ... they do not just go off to join someone else.

[NightrawenII]

And maybe they often (70-90% of the time) fight alongside the regiments who originate on their own homeworld.

THE ASTARTES HOMEWORLDS ARE EXCERPT FROM RAISING IG REGIMENTS AND EVEN THEN A REGIMENT WOULD BE SENT WHEREVER THE DEPARTMENTO MUNITORIUM SEES FIT. FIGHTING ALONGSIDE IS HIGHLY UNLIKELY.

[Shinzaren]

THE ASTARTES HOMEWORLDS ARE EXCERPT FROM RAISING IG REGIMENTS AND EVEN THEN A REGIMENT WOULD BE SENT WHEREVER THE DEPARTMENTO MUNITORIUM SEES FIT. FIGHTING ALONGSIDE IS HIGHLY UNLIKELY.

Whoa haha, easy Nightrawen :) Even if a planet is exempt from the mandatory Guard regiments, they could still be pious and advanced enough to do it anyway. That said, the Departmento Munitorium could very well send them to fight all over the system/sub-sector/sector/galaxy, and his marines could chose to fight alongside them. After all, Space Marines fight where and when they chose, and it is entirely possible that they are determined to ensure the survival and success of this Guard regiment. I wouldn't say it makes a lot of thematic sense, as Space Marines fight the most dire threats. but it is POSSIBLE. That is the important part, and if he chooses to pursue a  relationship between his boys and the Guard, it is very definitely workable, though I would have to say it would be inadvisable. As for failed aspirants joining the Guard, this is also 100% possible, depending on the stage of failure. In the early stages, before any of the real physical changes have taken place, failed aspirants COULD still be healthy and productive enough to see service in the Guard. Perhaps his combat trials aren't lethal. Even if he rejects one or more organs and isn't able to become a full Space Marine, it is possible, though unlikely, that the Chapter could release this upgraded pseudo-marine to the Guard. He could be slightly more robust than a human and still be far from a Space Marine. It all depends on how dedicated he is to explaining these breaks from the Norm. However, that is what an DIY project is, at its heart, all about. Explaining all the breaks from the norm in a way that people can read and believe. If he does this, I think he could absolutely use the ideas you are shouting down so loudly.

[soddinnutter]

 

And maybe they often (70-90% of the time) fight alongside the regiments who originate on their own homeworld.

THE ASTARTES HOMEWORLDS ARE EXCERPT FROM RAISING IG REGIMENTS AND EVEN THEN A REGIMENT WOULD BE SENT WHEREVER THE DEPARTMENTO MUNITORIUM SEES FIT. FIGHTING ALONGSIDE IS HIGHLY UNLIKELY.

I point to the fair Realm of  Ultramar as an example and interprit your shouting as a typo and not someone getting too worked up over a hobby.

[Ecritter]

 

 

And maybe they often (70-90% of the time) fight alongside the regiments who originate on their own homeworld.

THE ASTARTES HOMEWORLDS ARE EXCERPT FROM RAISING IG REGIMENTS AND EVEN THEN A REGIMENT WOULD BE SENT WHEREVER THE DEPARTMENTO MUNITORIUM SEES FIT. FIGHTING ALONGSIDE IS HIGHLY UNLIKELY.

I point to the fair Realm of  Ultramar as an example and interprit your shouting as a typo and not someone getting too worked up over a hobby.

I think you're mistaking one thing for another.  The following is taken from an article about Ultramar.

 

 

Each world also maintains their own Planetary Defense Force, a well-disciplined and equipped force known as the Ultramar Auxilia. These forces are similarly exempt from the tithe system; however, the efficiency and prosperity of Ultramar is such that several hundred regiments are maintained to join the Imperial Guard when needed.  As a result, the regiments of Ultramar have fought all over the galaxy, often in campaigns alongside the Ultramarines themselves.

 

^{Notice that they "join" the Imperial Guard when necessary.}

[soddinnutter]

So they aren't IG. They just look, act and fight alongside the IG.

 

And they do fight alongside the chapter native to their patch of the galaxy, which was the origional point.

[Ecritter]

So they aren't IG. They just look, act and fight alongside the IG.

 

And they do fight alongside the chapter native to their patch of the galaxy, which was the origional point.

Yes ... they're Planetary Defense Forces, change to that and you'll not have problems from Octo and others.  (well ... less problems.)

[Skylar D'Forge]

Cheer's For all of the support, Soddinnutter and Shinzaren!! I will Try to have the IA up for review by this weekend at the latest If I do include The human regiments, I will make it clear that they are a Auxilery planetary defense force!
​Thanks again for all the feed back Much appreciated! Is There anything inperticular you guys like to see in DIY chapters?

[NightrawenII]

I totaly love how the people get trolled by my post. Seriously guys, follow this link.

 

 

~ NightrawenII