Original Space Wolves Legion Question

[Ecritter]

You guys and gals are the experts here on Space Wolves, so I thought I'd ask you first.  Has anyone ever came up with the original Legion name for Legion VI?

 

For information, I've found that the Legion I (Dark Angels) were originally called "The First", Legion XII (World Eaters) were the "War Hounds", Legion XIV (Death Guard) were the "Dusk Raiders", Legion XVI (Sons of Horus) were the "Luna Wolves", and Legion XVII (Word Bearers) were the "Imperial Heralds".  Also, I've read that before receiving any name, they were simply called by their Legion number like the Dark Angels were simply called the 1st Legion.

[Durfast Spiritwolf]

Yes, originally they were called the 'Space Wolves'.

 

However more recent HH books indicate was an external nickname, the Legion calling themselves 'Vlka Fenryka'.

[Ecritter]

Yes, originally they were called the 'Space Wolves'.

 

However more recent HH books indicate was an external nickname, the Legion calling themselves 'Vlka Fenryka'.

Would it really make sense for them to be called Space Wolves 'before' finding Russ on Fenris?  And "Vlka Fenryka" is in Fenrisian meaning "Wolves of Fenris".

 

I'm looking for what they were originally called when Created on Terra.

[Marshall Bretton]

im assuming they had the mutation in the canis helix from their founding (way before any of the primarchs were found) which would have made them very wolfy, so i see no reason why they wouldn't be called the space wolves, i doubt they were called the vylka fenryka till fenris as that name is in fenrisian which no one would have known

[Wulfebane]

Sixth Legion, imo

[Loki-LaughingDeath]

The Space Wolves is the name for the sixth legion that those not from Fenris use.  The Vylka Fenryka is the name that the legion uses amongst those from Fenris or the Rout which is what Russ called the legion.

 

From what I have read and remember the sixth has always been known as the Space Wolves to the greater Imperium, it's only among themselves when they are speaking Juvik or Warvik that the other names are used.  From what I understand though before the Primarchs were found the Legions were addressed by their creation number.

[Valerian]

im assuming they had the mutation in the canis helix from their founding (way before any of the primarchs were found) which would have made them very wolfy, so i see no reason why they wouldn't be called the space wolves, i doubt they were called the vylka fenryka till fenris as that name is in fenrisian which no one would have known

I agree with Gaius here. The VI Legion were always the Space Wolves, even from their founding. Although Russ was yet to be found, like all of the Primarchs, his Legion carried his genetic legacy and passed on his unique helix. Space Wolves would be a fairly obvious name to call the men of a Legion that would change to Wulfen and back (or sometimes not back again) during the transformation process, and also sometimes during battle.

 

 

Valerian

[Durfast Spiritwolf]

 

Yes, originally they were called the 'Space Wolves'.

However more recent HH books indicate was an external nickname, the Legion calling themselves 'Vlka Fenryka'.

 

I'm looking for what they were originally called when Created on Terra.

I know you are and the answer is that the VI Legion were originally called 'Space Wolves'.

[Ecritter]

Thanks for the help.

[Ezeriel]

In the Death Guard section of the FW heresy book Betrayal, it mentions that only 4 legions changed their names, DG, WE, WB and LW.  Seems all other legions used just their number or the names we've always known then by.

[Skirax]

It's important to note, however, that we Vlka Fenryka hate the term "Space Wolves". It is detailed in Prospero Burns why, but basically it portrays as nothing more than mere savages. 

[SamaNagol]

Things like that are what put me off Prospero Burns: The Adventures Of Kasper Hauser

[Lord Ragnarok]

Things like that are what put me off Prospero Burns: The Adventures Of Kasper Hauser

And it made me embrace them more than ever before. 

[Durfast Spiritwolf]

Well, there aren't many Terrans left in the VI Legion according to Propero Burns. Although this doesn't sit with the considerable number still serving in the other legions, it might explain why the title 'Space Wolves' had fallen out of favour.

 

Personally, I think Dan Abnett, dropped more than the odd ball, and the survival of Terrans was quite a major one given the Legion's previous reputation fir being exceptionally successful in integrating wolf brothers from Terra and Fenris. Still, I loved all the new stuff he brought in.

[dragon950]

Things like that are what put me off Prospero Burns: The Adventures Of Kasper Hauser

 

Same, Space Wolves will always be called Space Wolves by me.  The name of the chapter/legion is the reason that I first looked at them.  To me it represents noble warriors who happen to fight like savages because that is how they fight.

[Emperor's Scourge]

I choose to ignore much of what Abnett drooled onto the pages of Prospero Burns.  Most of the really stupid stuff at least.

 

Like how there was only ONE terran SW left before Prospero.  Really Abnett?  Really?

 

The Death Guard had the highest attrition rate of any Legion.  Mortarion hated his Terran sons so much that he'd group them all together and send them on near suicide missions just to thin their ranks...and that was before Istvaan.  Despite this there were STILL thousands of Terran Death Guard around to die on Istvaan itself.

 

Even if you take into account that the SWs were rumored to be one of the smaller Legions that makes no sense whatsoever.

[Durfast Spiritwolf]

I choose to ignore much of what Abnett drooled onto the pages of Prospero Burns.  Most of the really stupid stuff at least.

 

Like how there was only ONE terran SW left before Prospero.  Really Abnett?  Really?

 

The Death Guard had the highest attrition rate of any Legion.  Mortarion hated his Terran sons so much that he'd group them all together and send them on near suicide missions just to thin their ranks...and that was before Istvaan.  Despite this there were STILL thousands of Terran Death Guard around to die on Istvaan itself.

 

Even if you take into account that the SWs were rumored to be one of the smaller Legions that makes no sense whatsoever.

True, there were certainly enough Terrans left to cause considerable problems for Mortarion, such as the Veil of Tears.

[Marshall Bretton]

does it ever state the rune priest was the last? it definitely says one of the last in the company, but that doesn't mean the whole legion

[Emperor's Scourge]

does it ever state the rune priest was the last? it definitely says one of the last in the company, but that doesn't mean the whole legion

Pretty sure he tells Hauser that he's the last 

while he's dying.

 

[Grimtooth]

No he does not say he is the last. Also, IIRC, in Wolf at the Door there was a Terran SW or two in the 13th Co, which is before Prospero as well.

 

If we combine what we know about the casualty rate among Blood Claws and the casualty rate among aspirants due to the lethality of the geneseed, it is not hard pressed to see that Terran SW would be pressed into service much more during the beginning of the Great Crusade so that their numbers would be diminshed by the time the HH takes place as well as the influx of recruits from Fenris after it was discovered.