Corax: Soulforge

[Carach]

has nobody contemplated that perhaps 'soulforge' is some kind of tech that will feature in the story? that it isnt just some ghey book title :P

[Deus Imperator Vult]

Sooo the Raven Guard fight the mechanicus? Seems like a step down from fighting astartes. I really hate the way they have written Ferrus and Corax. They both come off as inept, weak primarchs.

Which books were you reading/listening to brother? I agree that the apparence of the DAMNED +expletives deleted+ ALPHA LEGION Corax has probably been one of the most awesome Primarchs written thus far; Killing an Iron Warrior with a stone, the line 'Do you think I actually need a bodyguard?, ripping out the gun mount of a predator tank and its gunner and smashing open his back, flying straight into Lorgar gutting him like the dog... need I say more?

 

I agree with the limited edition comments I understand why GW do it but that doesnt mean I like it.

[[TA]Typher]

 

 

Sooo the Raven Guard fight the mechanicus? Seems like a step down from fighting astartes. I really hate the way they have written Ferrus and Corax. They both come off as inept, weak primarchs.

Which books were you reading/listening to brother? I agree that the apparence of the DAMNED +expletives deleted+ ALPHA LEGION Corax has probably been one of the most awesome Primarchs written thus far; Killing an Iron Warrior with a stone, the line 'Do you think I actually need a bodyguard?, ripping out the gun mount of a predator tank and its gunner and smashing open his back, flying straight into Lorgar gutting him like the dog... need I say more?

 

I agree with the limited edition comments I understand why GW do it but that doesnt mean I like it.

 

In deliverance lost he was pretty much rainman. He solves the Emperors Death Maze, but then goes full on handicapped for the rest of the book. Sitting on his home planet, talking to a Alpha Legion spy posing as a high ranking Raven Guard. How could a Super "Genius" Quality super being be fooled so easily by someone that he should know? If the spy was some rank and file unknown then I might beleive it, but he wasn't . He was a high ranking captain.

 

Couple that with the fact that the planet he was born on and where he is currently at goes into open rebellion without so much as a heads up. Again... this just doesn't sit right with me. How could a sitting Primarch be so out of touch with not only his Legion, but his planet? He just hangs out while other people try to unlock the Emperors super gene-seed.

 

The whole book makes your brain go "say what?". Corax De-evolves in the book. Much like the depiction of Ferrus in the book "fulgrim" Corax seems classed and subpar.

 

I do like that they have better depictions of him in other books, but that just wasn't the case for Deliverance Lost.

[Deus Imperator Vult]

 

 

 

Sooo the Raven Guard fight the mechanicus? Seems like a step down from fighting astartes. I really hate the way they have written Ferrus and Corax. They both come off as inept, weak primarchs.

Which books were you reading/listening to brother? I agree that the apparence of the DAMNED +expletives deleted+ ALPHA LEGION Corax has probably been one of the most awesome Primarchs written thus far; Killing an Iron Warrior with a stone, the line 'Do you think I actually need a bodyguard?, ripping out the gun mount of a predator tank and its gunner and smashing open his back, flying straight into Lorgar gutting him like the dog... need I say more?

 

I agree with the limited edition comments I understand why GW do it but that doesnt mean I like it.

In deliverance lost he was pretty much rainman. He solves the Emperors Death Maze, but then goes full on handicapped for the rest of the book. Sitting on his home planet, talking to a Alpha Legion spy posing as a high ranking Raven Guard. How could a Super "Genius" Quality super being be fooled so easily by someone that he should know? If the spy was some rank and file unknown then I might beleive it, but he wasn't . He was a high ranking captain.

 

Couple that with the fact that the planet he was born on and where he is currently at goes into open rebellion without so much as a heads up. Again... this just doesn't sit right with me. How could a sitting Primarch be so out of touch with not only his Legion, but his planet? He just hangs out while other people try to unlock the Emperors super gene-seed.

 

The whole book makes your brain go "say what?". Corax De-evolves in the book. Much like the depiction of Ferrus in the book "fulgrim" Corax seems classed and subpar.

 

I do like that they have better depictions of him in other books, but that just wasn't the case for Deliverance Lost.

I do agree. I felt so let down by Deliverance Lost if I'm honest I was so pumped when it was announced I was reading Gav's blog and everything then after page 100 or whatever I was just like 'Oh Corax is blind and the Alpha Legion can do anything'. That is part of the reason I hate the Alphas above all other traitors they sneek around stabbing people in the back and ruining perfectly good books! Honestly I would say its one of my least favourite titles of the series after Battle for the Abyss and The Outcast Dead.

[Durfast Spiritwolf]

He is depicted as somewhat distracted :)

[foostickuk]

Has BL said if and when the limited editions are going to be collected?

 

Against my better judgement I decided to move onto the trade paperbacks as I wanted to get the books sooner rather than wait more time to get them in the mass market paperback format that the previous 22 books had been released in but £30.00 for a story less than 150 pages in length is too much.

[[TA]Typher]

He is depicted as somewhat distracted :)

 

My kid talks to me when I'm distracted sometimes. I miss a lot of what he's saying, but in the end I know it's still my kid.

 

Now add in a pict-memory and a super genius level intelligence and we get.... forest gump.

[Wade Garrett]

"Lieutenant Ferrous, what happened to your head?"

[Daevyll]

Silly pricing for a novella. Full length paperbacks for 8 euros and a half length novello for 40? No thanks.

Good thing it's written by Thorpe, means I can easily skip it. I cringe inside everytime I read that bio bit about the hamster anyway.

[WatchCaptainAzrael]

I cringe inside everytime I read that bio bit about the hamster anyway.

Why do you hate fun so much?

[Daevyll]

 

I cringe inside everytime I read that bio bit about the hamster anyway.

Why do you hate fun so much?

 

 

Not fun so much as enforced wackiness, especially when stilistically delivered as a poor imitation of Blackadder.

Don't read too much into it, the way the guy writes just gets on my nerves :) 

[KJB]

Ordered... Better be better than Brotherhood of the Storm...

[Daemon2027]

Ordered mine.

 

Problem with Deliverance Lost, if Corax kept up his super smarts then there would have been no real plot past Corax gets Genentech and it all goes balls up. Corax unfortunatly suffers due to needs of the plot, which is a problem with the plot. Which is a shame as I loved his other appearances, but I was supper exasperated with him by the end of Deliverance Lost. Alpha Legion also suffer as they are typecast as the super James Bond legion. Which is cool in some stories like Serpents Beneath, but does get annoying in Deliverance Lost ( with the exception of some nice moments). Would like to see them fight another legion in force, not necessarily a pitched battle but a large engagement fought there way. One can only hope we see that in their FW:HH appearance.

[[TA]Typher]

Ordered mine.

 

Problem with Deliverance Lost, if Corax kept up his super smarts then there would have been no real plot past Corax gets Genentech and it all goes balls up. Corax unfortunatly suffers due to needs of the plot, which is a problem with the plot. Which is a shame as I loved his other appearances, but I was supper exasperated with him by the end of Deliverance Lost. Alpha Legion also suffer as they are typecast as the super James Bond legion. Which is cool in some stories like Serpents Beneath, but does get annoying in Deliverance Lost ( with the exception of some nice moments). Would like to see them fight another legion in force, not necessarily a pitched battle but a large engagement fought there way. One can only hope we see that in their FW:HH appearance.

 

I agree with you. Not because this had to be done this way, but because it was written badlly.

 

Let me explain.

 

How would Corax had looked if he left Deliverance to attack the Perfect City, while leaving the gene-seed plot you his sub-menials. Then you would have had Corax looking like a real primarch breaking into and destroying the EC and IW, while Omegon did his thing back at Deliverance. Both Primarchs would look great and there would be no need to make Corax a subhuman drool monster for 3/4th of the book.

[Reinholt]

Did anyone else misread that as Corax: Soulforce and get really excited for a plot thread where the crushing disappointment of failing to rebuild his legion had lead Corax to embrace the power of soul music, then smiting the dark mechanicus with a giant, diamond-crusted cane while wearing platform heels and bright sequined armor, only to be crushingly disappointed when it was revealed that they just couldn't read?

 

Because, seriously, seeing the slow transformation as his philosophy evolves into Corax: The Hardest Working Primarch in the Heresy has potential.

 

Just saying.

[Deus Imperator Vult]

 Would like to see them fight another legion in force, not necessarily a pitched battle but a large engagement fought there way. One can only hope we see that in their FW:HH appearance.

I would like to read this ONLY IF the Alphas were winning and being all cocky only for the Raven Guard to appear and stab them in the back. Oh my god if they rewrote it so Corax killed Omegron and not Gulliman that would be perfect! Plus it would serve him right for his snotty thoughts about killing Corax at the end of Deliverance.

[Carach]

the expanded pic from the recent blog seems to imply that they attack some dark mechanicus base which is doing the whole daemonspawntank combo thing.. perhaps thats the 'soulforge' 

[Týr]

Ever since gav Thorpe tried to ruin everything that been built up about the emeperor in Deliverance lost I stopped considering anything he writes as canon. I can understand a release like this with ADB or abnett. But not Thorpe. To me it would just be a waste of money

[[TA]Typher]

Ever since gav Thorpe tried to ruin everything that been built up about the emeperor in Deliverance lost I stopped considering anything he writes as canon. I can understand a release like this with ADB or abnett. But not Thorpe. To me it would just be a waste of money

Gav has expanded and probably created more of the warhammer universe then anyone. Some of his writing is great! Look at some of his warhammer fantasy stuff. Malekith, Caledor, Shadow King, Aenarion Grudgebearer.. etc etc. They rock!. Great writng, amazing characters. All in all MORE then worth the money!

 

His 40k stuff is more mixed IMO.

 

Angels of Darkness was brilliant. I loved the dark foreboding feel he creates. (I just wish more people actually realized that Astelian was lying).

The Raven Wing was pretty good. Not his best work, but solid none the less.

 

However some of his HH novels have been really.... lacking. I'm a big DA fan and his HH DA novels have been rather boring and less involved compared to some of the other books in the series. I've actually paused to read other books in the middle of them.

 

Now compare that to Savage Weapons and Prince of Crows by Aaron Dembski-Bowden, which are hands down the best written 1st legion stories in the HH. After reading them I was so amped that I started reading them again. ADB did a amazing job making both primarch and legions look great. I really want to start a Night Lord army after reading these. He did a great job fleshing out the NL's in a way that makes them seem really interesting to me.

 

Sorry I got on a tangent there... back to Thorpe.

 

Deliverance Lost. horrible book. Corax starts licking windows and eating paste after the first 40 pages, only regaining his superhuman abilities in the afterthought of a post-story, which had nothing to do with the main plot of the book. I suppose this is done to help redeem his tarnished, dull showing in the book. It fails badly. Omegon on the other hand seems to be a James Bond villain (minus James Bond), who makes a plan work that even Willie E. Coyote would have passed on because it seems too cartoony. The last time a Primarch had such a bad showing was Ferrus, and he died.

 

Anyway.. I like Thorpe. I just wish he would either stick to fantasy or plot out his HH novels better. You can make all legions look good (or at least not totally helpless) if you flesh out your plot line better.

 

With all that said I am going to hold off on buying Soulforge. Maybe I'll revisit buying it if it gets good reviews.

[Deus Imperator Vult]

Astelian was lying!? haha no I know he was to be honest I think Typher has the right of it. I cared much more about the 1st legion after Savage Weapons (that was the one with Corswain right?) that both of their own books. I still question how the Lion just gave those guns to Perturabo at the end the whole deus ex style of it just vexed me.

[Ubermensch Commander]

On the topic of the book: Yeah. Not a fan of all this limited edition business.  I will wait till it gets anthologized. 

On Mr Thorpe.  By and large enjoy his work.  The issue with Deliverance Lost was not the Raven Guard, but the Alpha Legion.  Even since the atrocity that was Legion which shoe horned the Alpha Legion from "Arrogant bastards out to prove themselves against the universe who will happily throw everything plus the kitchen sink at you" to "SOOOOOOOOOO MYSTERRRRIIIOUSSSSS!!" we have to try and suspend disbelief that the last Legion, moulded by the last Primarch to be found, who has had little contact with the Imperium and his brothers, has somehow established a covert newtwork spanning the Imperium.

 Following that, we have to somehow believe that the "super sneaky" transhuman juggernauts are "infiltrating" another Legion...one with its own battle code, hand signs, etc.  To allow that to happen, the ONLY way to allow that happen, was to make the Raven Guard (Corax included) dumber than a bag of bricks.  Infiltration stupidity be damned, NO ONE placed multiple guards, servitors, CAMERAS, aimed at the genetic super tech that was the Legion's future?

The need to have the AL in the book entailed some cringe worthy shoe horning.  And the crowbar marks were quite visible.

[Deus Imperator Vult]

On the topic of the book: Yeah. Not a fan of all this limited edition business.  I will wait till it gets anthologized. 

 

On Mr Thorpe.  By and large enjoy his work.  The issue with Deliverance Lost was not the Raven Guard, but the Alpha Legion.  Even since the atrocity that was Legion which shoe horned the Alpha Legion from "Arrogant bastards out to prove themselves against the universe who will happily throw everything plus the kitchen sink at you" to "SOOOOOOOOOO MYSTERRRRIIIOUSSSSS!!" we have to try and suspend disbelief that the last Legion, moulded by the last Primarch to be found, who has had little contact with the Imperium and his brothers, has somehow established a covert newtwork spanning the Imperium.

 

 Following that, we have to somehow believe that the "super sneaky" transhuman juggernauts are "infiltrating" another Legion...one with its own battle code, hand signs, etc.  To allow that to happen, the ONLY way to allow that happen, was to make the Raven Guard (Corax included) dumber than a bag of bricks.  Infiltration stupidity be damned, NO ONE placed multiple guards, servitors, CAMERAS, aimed at the genetic super tech that was the Legion's future?

 

The need to have the AL in the book entailed some cringe worthy shoe horning.  And the crowbar marks were quite visible.

Seconded damned alpha legion.

[[TA]Typher]

 

Astelian was lying!? haha no I know he was to be honest I think Typher has the right of it. I cared much more about the 1st legion after Savage Weapons (that was the one with Corswain right?) that both of their own books. I still question how the Lion just gave those guns to Perturabo at the end the whole deus ex style of it just vexed me.

 

I think he gave the guns to Pert as a act of trust. As we know the Lion had trouble trusting and reading people. It seems that he went out on a limb there and was fooled. He later talks about it in the book where he interrupts the Iron Hands and Death Guard while they are trying to each take Tluchulka (SP?). He didn't trust either side. I think he's learned his lesson now.

[The Either]

Has anyone else received their copy of soulforge? still waiting on mine and it was posted on the 10th along with a Garro audio book. had the audio book arrive but not soulforge , i'm i just being retarded or do i give it a few more days. if anyone can get back to me that would be great

[Brother Captain Lucian]

 

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