Deathwatch/Grey knight Posted March 30, 2013 Share Posted March 30, 2013 I sort of wanted to do this similarity thing with the Horus heresy and the myths and legends we know today and I want to know what you have picked up in the books and it doesn't have to be legion similarities for example Pre- heresy word bearers remind me of the black Templar crusades in the 14 century spreading the word of the holy god in this the emperor and killing those who oppose The alpha legions insignia- the hydra cut of one head two more will appear from the Greek mythologies Horus- a name of the Egyptian god ( don't know much about ancient Egyptian feel free to add on) Fulgrims stormbird the Phoenix- the fire element bird that magnificently beautiful that dies and reborn and rises from that ashes of its former life Utramar- a civilization sort of similar of the Greeks ( I remember reading that) Space wolves and fenris civilization- old Norse Vikings from the 8th - 11th century ( and if you've read the ragner series) you would know that fenris and the Iceland similarities oh and they have the same language Feel free to add to the list Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/273467-similarities-with-our-world-and-30k/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legionator Posted March 30, 2013 Share Posted March 30, 2013 Iron Hands clans (Avernii etc.): Celtic tribes of Gaul Imperial Fists: Names and colours resemble Holy Roman Empire Emperor's Children: Late Era Romans Thousand Sons: Ancient Egypt and Persia World Eaters: Roman Era Germanic barbarians Word Bearers & Dark Angels: Use of Hebrew names (Zadkiel, Ezekiel, Sammael etc.) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/273467-similarities-with-our-world-and-30k/#findComment-3338868 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustus Posted March 30, 2013 Share Posted March 30, 2013 Thought Word Bearers used Babylonian names on the whole with some cross overs in between? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/273467-similarities-with-our-world-and-30k/#findComment-3338967 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Posted March 30, 2013 Share Posted March 30, 2013 hi guys. There is some similarities I've seen in 30k and our world. fulgrim- Dorian Gray. angron-spartacus and I agree that world eaters are some sort of Germanic barbarians. and my favorite-Word Bearers. When I firstly read they're from Colchis I was like-'Colchis?COLCHIS?' then I read it again 'YESS! COLCHIS!' You think I'm a bit crazy?no! because I'm living in the earth of old Colchis. well, there is my patriotic thoughts but word bearers have very little similarities to my land and people. But lorgar may be Aeetes, but similarities very little. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/273467-similarities-with-our-world-and-30k/#findComment-3338982 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deathwatch/Grey knight Posted March 30, 2013 Author Share Posted March 30, 2013 I always saw the emperors children as Persians Nice one Elias fulgrim-Dorian grey definitely especially with the painting Ferrus manus nickname Gorgon- medusa was a gorgon and you should all know that Lore Sanguinius- Michael the angel totally Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/273467-similarities-with-our-world-and-30k/#findComment-3338995 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legionator Posted March 30, 2013 Share Posted March 30, 2013 Thought Word Bearers used Babylonian names on the whole with some cross overs in between? There was a discussion about it: http://www.heresy-online.net/forums/showthread.php?t=98150 I didn't see any Babylonian name used by WB except Marduk. BTW, the logo of FC Bayern Munich looks like World Eater's logo. Also they play like World Eaters, I fear them Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/273467-similarities-with-our-world-and-30k/#findComment-3339254 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deathwatch/Grey knight Posted March 31, 2013 Author Share Posted March 31, 2013 Vulkan - aka Vulcan- In ancient Roman religion and myth, Vulcan (Latin: Vulcanus) is the god of fire[1] including the fire of volcanoes. Vulcan is often depicted with a blacksmith's hammer.[2] The Vulcanalia was the annual festival held August 23 in his honor. His Greek counterpart is Hephaestus, the god of fire and smithery. In Etruscan religion, he is identified with Sethlans. The god belongs to the most recent stage of Roman religion: Varro citing the Annales Maximi, recalls that king Titus Tatius had dedicated altars to a series of deities among which Vulcan is not mentioned.[3] Interesting I'm starting to think that when games workshop started 40k that they mixed it up with ancient stories- Egypt, Greece, roman, Etc Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/273467-similarities-with-our-world-and-30k/#findComment-3339566 Share on other sites More sharing options...
yhta Posted March 31, 2013 Share Posted March 31, 2013 Lets see: thousand sons: they have egyptian looks, even in the color, becuse in the egyptian mythologie red is the color of chaos, the cult organization is similar to magical order like the golden dawn and they have son nordic themes as well Yes, you read right, they have have nordic themes:magnus is similar to loki the god of trickery, but also to odin who gave his eye for wisdom, odin kill himself hanging in yggdrasil until he gain the run magic, magnus face russ in almost a death sentence and is ascend to demon primarch by tzeetch Also the number 9, sacred number of tzeetch, 9 are the fellowship of the Ts and 9 is a sacred number in nordic religion:9 world, odin knows 18 spells(9+9), also odin have to crows, this theme tzeechian demons with bird forms and the corvide who have a crow has symbol Also, you see that mortarion have some disdain to magnus and his esoteric ways, so way didin`t use him to atack prospero? in universe is because he have other plans and out of universe is because the fight in tizca is a alegoric to the ragnarok but ina funny way, is the thousand sons who represent odin and the force of order who dies against russ,custodes and the sister of silence who represent the forces of chaos(being used in the plans of tzeetch) so odin(magnus) face is death against fenrir(russ)...see now? so yes the TS have nordic theme as well to tie them against is nemesis the space wolf, kind of awsome and a great use os theme now about the world beares, kor phaeron is the step father of lorgar but he become a marine(well half marine) and see how the marine are call the sons of their primarch, that means that kor phaeron is the father of lorgar and the same time his son.... sound familiar? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/273467-similarities-with-our-world-and-30k/#findComment-3339766 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deathwatch/Grey knight Posted March 31, 2013 Author Share Posted March 31, 2013 I'm sorry that last bit confused me Thanks for sharing your knowledge to tie a thousand sons to Norse legends who saw that coming I thought they were more egyption but I see what you see I thought only space wolves were the Norse marines Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/273467-similarities-with-our-world-and-30k/#findComment-3339828 Share on other sites More sharing options...
yhta Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 I'm sorry that last bit confused me What i said is that pretty much kor phaeron,lorgar and chaos are a evil form of the holy trinity of cristianity, now that kor phaeron the step father of lorgar becomes a marine(a son of the primarch) so kor phaeron is a the same time the father and the son, just like jesus is the son and the same time the father(well depent of what branch of cristianity were are talking but that is not the point) i was clear they will use this, seen how lorgar is the most religious primarch Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/273467-similarities-with-our-world-and-30k/#findComment-3340071 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deathwatch/Grey knight Posted April 1, 2013 Author Share Posted April 1, 2013 Ahh now I get it Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/273467-similarities-with-our-world-and-30k/#findComment-3340177 Share on other sites More sharing options...
blamb Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 Perturabo is Hephaestus (Greek god of the forge) at least that's how he came across in angel Exterminatus, with the temple at Nikaea being Pandora's Box Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/273467-similarities-with-our-world-and-30k/#findComment-3340204 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 Perturabo is Hephaestus (Greek god of the forge) at least that's how he came across in angel Exterminatus, with the temple at Nikaea being Pandora's Box Errr, I'd say Vulkan is Vulcan -> Hephaestus. Perturabo is Darth Vulcanus ! angron-spartacus and I agree that world eaters are some sort of Germanic barbarians. I'd say they fit more in the spectrum of the gladiators. A life fighting. Bloodshed is their only culture. and my favorite-Word Bearers. When I firstly read they're from Colchis Iwas like-'Colchis?COLCHIS?' then I read it again 'YESS! COLCHIS!' You think I'm a bit crazy?no! because I'm living in the earth of old Colchis. well, there is my patriotic thoughts but word bearers have very little similarities to my land and people. But lorgar may be Aeetes, but similarities very little. Haha, that's pretty awesome. so yes the TS have nordic theme as well to tie them against is nemesis the space wolf, kind of awsome and a great use os theme And Magnus, being a red giant always made me think of Surt, in a way. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/273467-similarities-with-our-world-and-30k/#findComment-3340214 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deathwatch/Grey knight Posted April 1, 2013 Author Share Posted April 1, 2013 Corax- corax is the Latin species name of the Common Raven (Corvus corax) I found this and I laughed Idk why Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/273467-similarities-with-our-world-and-30k/#findComment-3340376 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChaosLord Leon Enaek Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 Literally Corvus Corax is a mixture of Latin and Greek - Raven Crow. But yes it is the scientific name for the Common Raven. On a personal note I would love to see the etymological route between Raven and 'Saviour' or whatever his name means in his language. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/273467-similarities-with-our-world-and-30k/#findComment-3340615 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 'caus Corax means 'saviour' on Deliverance ? Damn retards. Should've nuked that planet. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/273467-similarities-with-our-world-and-30k/#findComment-3340742 Share on other sites More sharing options...
yhta Posted April 2, 2013 Share Posted April 2, 2013 'caus Corax means 'saviour' on Deliverance ? Damn retards. Should've nuked that planet. well i happen when diferens langues have the same word but with diferent means, for example will in english is no the same that will in german, in another case there is bizarro in spanish, a word that means coruge, almost every person dosent know the meaning because the word bizarre, so things like this can happen of course i can imagine the emperor or malcador smile a little bit by that meaning Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/273467-similarities-with-our-world-and-30k/#findComment-3340856 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deus Imperator Vult Posted April 3, 2013 Share Posted April 3, 2013 Sanguinius is Arch Angel Micheal BUT that's not surpirsing since the heresy is basically just the story of the fall of lucifer from heaven just in a MUCH GRANDER AND MORE EPIC scale. Son betrays father, lures other sons away- theres a great big fight- Father (god) casts his misbehaving little son into some infernal pit at the back end of everything he created. Yes it has been fleshed out a bit and other themes have been added in and changed etc but at its core its still there. Right I'm not sure if this is entirely on topic but it seems it in my head so what the hell. Go on youtube and watch almost any video of Richard Dawkins arguing against any religion now listen/read the section in horus lost where we are first introduced to Kyril Sindermann. They are the same person! Whether that was a concious decision on the authors part of wether its just something thats happened I don't know but still. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/273467-similarities-with-our-world-and-30k/#findComment-3342393 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onisuzume Posted April 4, 2013 Share Posted April 4, 2013 The story I remember is quite different, and your version lacks the catalyst that is the first woman - Lilith. So no, I can't really say that its a similarity. And Lilith said unto him, "Who art thou, that guardest the Garden of the Firstborn?" "I am the Light and Darkness," Lucifer replied. "Thou art beautiful in my sight," said Lilith, and she spoke truly, for he is a polished staff, a stout tree shaped into contours of pleasing to the eye, and his skin is the burnished gold, and his eyes the colour of the moon. His breath is the breeze of a lotus, and his touch is like unto a whisper. Lucifer said, "Art thou the disrespectful creation of my brother, that went from out the Garden with hate in her heart?" "Never so," she replied. "I am like thee, and like our brother, and I would never harm a thing in His Garden, not even the lesser beasts or their tender. I wish only to learn about the wondrous Trees he grows." And he looked into her heart and saw that she spoke truly. And his own heart was filled with love and desire, like a garden blossoming with fresh water and good seed. Thus did Lucifer let her pass. But before Lilith went in, the Lightbringer offered her a gift. Lucifer said, "As I am Lord of Light, I have dominion over those spheres which illuminate the sky. And so I do give to thee this garment of Night, dearest sister, upon which are sewn the moon and the stars and all that appears in the night sky. Wear it and rule the Night as I now rule the Day." And Lilith did take up the garment, and her face became like the deep blue of midnight, and her hair became silver like the stars, and her eyes shone with the soft light of the moon. ... It came to pass that Lilith returned unto Eden, clad in her raiment of Night, and there she again met Lucifer who stood watch upon the gate with the fiery sword in his hand. "Beloved, why dost thou stand here before the gates of [YHWH]'s garden?" said Lilith. "Hast thou become his servant and lackey?" "Nay," Lightbringer replied. "I watch for She Who Has Been Cast Out for the Firstborn has said that her soul is small and dark and filled with evil spirits, and she may not withstand my light. And so I am here as favor to Him who I love as my brother." And Lilith was wounded by his words for she knew [YHWH] had spoken of her. But she was proud also, to have moved her Creator to untruth. As she was of the True Earth of Eden, she could not pass whilst Lucifer held forth the fiery sword against her. And so unto Lucifer she said, "Cast aside thy sword, beloved one, and let me pass. For verily, I am not she. I stand content in thy light, and share it as my own." The Lightbringer recalled that Lilith had once sworn to do no harm, and had spoken true at that time. And thus he did believe her. Yet he was puzzled and amazed by her, resplendent in her gown of Night. "Why then hast thou come here, beloved one?" said Lucifer. Lilith said, "I too have grown a garden, and I wish to learn how [YHWH] does make the Tree of Life and the Tree of Knowledge grow strong and fruitful." And she did produce the seeds which she had saved, and Lucifer saw that it was so. Then did Lucifer cast aside his fiery sword so that Lilith might pass through the gates. ... The Lightbringer came running. With a roar, [YHWH] did cause the ground to break, and to swallow Lucifer, and to spit him into the air. As he fell, Lilith ran to him, and did minister to him. A serpent no longer, but the first woman. And the sword of Lucifer was shattered into two pieces, and one piece fell at the feet of the Lightbringer and another at the feet of Lilith. ... To Lucifer and Lilith, He said, "Because ye have disobeyed Me in Mine Own Garden, and have led My creations to error, ye shalt be accursed." To Lucifer, He said "Because thou hast turned a blind eye to thy task, I curse thee with blindness. Because thou hadst an open heart, I curse thee with wariness. Because thou hast shown compassion, I make thee a vessel of wrath. The sword shall be forever in thy hands, and thy comfort shall be as the kiss of worms." To Lilith, He said, "Thou hast tasted the Wine of Immortality, so thou shalt never die, but endure evermore, until the closing of the eyes of the Ancient One, even as do I, and thou shalt perish at that time. And because thou hast spurned my love thou shalt love none other, though thou might strive to do so. And thine eyes shall see at night, but be blined by the day, and thy skin shalt crack in the sun of thy false love Lucifer, and shall heal under the light of the moon only. Thou hast become a Shining One, but thy light shall shine only by night." To both of them, He said, "Ye shall be the Reapers of the Fields. And your blades of True Earth shall cut short the lives of Adam and Eve and all their kind." At last He spoke unto them all. "Because I have allowed this to come to pass, I curse myself with jealousy and exile. Henceforth, I shall never walk among ye but as a mystery. I shall not take love except by command. I shall not trust, but keep my gates forever guarded. For my heart was open once, and because of that I shall die." And the man and woman wept, for they were without home or comfort. And Lucifer cried, "Why art thou to curse us so, brother? We are as Thou!" And Lilith cried, "Who art thou to curse us so, brother? We are as Thou!" Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/273467-similarities-with-our-world-and-30k/#findComment-3342621 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper Posted April 4, 2013 Share Posted April 4, 2013 Sanguinius is Arch Angel Micheal BUT that's not surpirsing since theheresy is basically just the story of the fall of lucifer from heaven just in a MUCH GRANDER AND MORE EPIC scale. It's closer to the Arthurian cycle, in fact. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/273467-similarities-with-our-world-and-30k/#findComment-3342710 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deus Imperator Vult Posted April 4, 2013 Share Posted April 4, 2013 It's closer to the Arthurian cycle, in fact. When did Horus run off with the Emperors woman? haha I'm not saying it just comes from one angle theyve clearly meshed hundreds of stroies, folklore, legends etc in there. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/273467-similarities-with-our-world-and-30k/#findComment-3342782 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper Posted April 4, 2013 Share Posted April 4, 2013 Horus is Mordred, not Lancelot. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/273467-similarities-with-our-world-and-30k/#findComment-3342786 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deus Imperator Vult Posted April 4, 2013 Share Posted April 4, 2013 Ohhhh yes I see what you mean now I don't know why my mind runs to that, clearly touched by slannesh, bastard Lancelot. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/273467-similarities-with-our-world-and-30k/#findComment-3342803 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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