Tiger9gamer Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 So, there are rumors and talkings of the SM codex coming out soon based on a release schedule I have to say I'm a little peaved by it, if only because I just jumped from them. I know I sound like a spoiled brat, but Doesn't it seem the SM already have enough going for it so far? it has a new flyer, it still has a lot of tips and tricks to it, so why make a new one? Can't they update the Black Templars instead? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/273586-anyone-else-ticked-off-by-rumors-of-the-new-codex-marines/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
WatchCaptainAzrael Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 The Ultramarine players can't forever sustain themselves in self-importance and borrowed ideas. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/273586-anyone-else-ticked-off-by-rumors-of-the-new-codex-marines/#findComment-3340581 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryan Blaire Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 There are a couple of ways to look at this: - It's not as obsolete as other Codexes, why in the world does it need an update? There are Xenos 'Dexes and the BT that need it a lot worse. Then there is also the very likely chance that the new C:SM will eclipse the C:DA in some fashion, which is annoying, because it seems to always happen (then again, there are annoyances like this for every SM Chapter specific 'Dex). However, we've been through all that before, the Unforgiven are tenacious, and we will not give in to the petty whims of GW game design. - More new Space Marines! Since we can Ally with C:SM (whether I personally hate/severely dislike the Ally rules, they are in the game), that means the Unforgiven get a crack at any new toys the C:SMs might pick up. Additionally, it gives them the chance to possibly expand on the named character list, give some more variety to that army list (characters may allow certain options but also restrict other choices - God-Emperor I hope they make the choice to do this), and add in some badly needed fluff for previously under-represented Legion descendants (such as the Iron Hands). Personally, I like to mix the two. I'd actually prefer a completely different method of army book production that focuses more on methods of conducting warfare and less on representing specific color scheme armies (although I do feel that certain color scheme armies should match up to certain warfare methods, just not that the color schemes define the focus of the books). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/273586-anyone-else-ticked-off-by-rumors-of-the-new-codex-marines/#findComment-3340643 Share on other sites More sharing options...
IndigoJack Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 So, there are rumors and talkings of the SM codex coming out soon based on a release schedule I have to say I'm a little peaved by it, if only because I just jumped from them. I know I sound like a spoiled brat, but Doesn't it seem the SM already have enough going for it so far? it has a new flyer, it still has a lot of tips and tricks to it, so why make a new one? Can't they update the Black Templars instead? C:SM is starting to show it's age, especially when you compare the price of tactical marines to dark angels (dreads are another good example.) like it or not, C:SM is the big "gateway" army for new players, so GW really needs to keep it up to date. As long as they don't steal too much from us this time, it won't really bother me what they get. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/273586-anyone-else-ticked-off-by-rumors-of-the-new-codex-marines/#findComment-3340647 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deathwing70 Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 Well, purely from a GW economical perspective (in my opinion!), 6th edition is out, Space Marines are the poster army of Warhammer 40k but technically the codex is 'still' 5th edition. It will be another book that will make alot of money and sell more models. I don't mean it as a rant though, I know they need to make money somewhere to fund production of the more rare races/armies out there. Besides, they did it to us with our last codex aswell, can only hope they don't make the C:SM 'so much better' that greenwing players would rather play 'Green Marines' like they used to... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/273586-anyone-else-ticked-off-by-rumors-of-the-new-codex-marines/#findComment-3340649 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Immolator Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 Its indeed an aged codex and one that didnt age well at that. It can put a decent fight but thats it. They now suffer just as we did in 4th-middle 5th. They are there but not quite. Honestly? If the pps at GW were not money grabbers they could postpone it entirely, and bring it up to speed with a PDF revamp. But if the rumours I am hearing are true there is a f tone of new stuff coming out. Librarian and deathwatch kits been a couple of the few I read. They say something about a revamp tac squad box too. Who knows? So coupled with a codex release it will sell better. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/273586-anyone-else-ticked-off-by-rumors-of-the-new-codex-marines/#findComment-3340667 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onisuzume Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 Well, about the Deathwatch: that might go into the next sisters/inquisition/imperialis codex along with various SoB stuff and new assassin type. 281041230110209 Imperial Agents Enforcer with Heavy Stubber RE284054630110202 Kroot Kroothawks RE286010311080200 Cult Hybrid Upgrade Pack PL286011130110208 Patriarch Dumas, The Veiled Fiend RE 280002330140207 Sisters of Battle Canoness with Power Axe RE 280000211440200 Sisters of Battle Seraphim / Patronica Squad PL 280000111440201 Sisters of Battle Battle Sisters PL 280000411840206 Sisters of Battle Exorcist / Catafalque of Sins PL281047530110208 Imperial Agents Obsideo Assassin RE 281049111440209 Imperial Agents Deathwatch Kill Team PL281049230140202 Imperial Agents Deathwatch Librarian RE 280002430140206 Sisters of Battle Prioress Lazarea Verata RE 280002230140208 Sisters of Battle Sister Superior Magdalenia RE 280000330740205 Sisters of Battle Repentia Squad RE Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/273586-anyone-else-ticked-off-by-rumors-of-the-new-codex-marines/#findComment-3340698 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schultzhoffen Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 C:SM is the gateway Codex for most players. Why should you be upset with another army's brand new codex coming out? Why would you care which army gets updated next? You have already got a new DA Codex. BT may need a codex but you aren't a BT player (unless you run 2 armies?). I can;t see any rhyme or reason for your gripe at all - specially considering it's just rumour and means nothing. You're right - you do sound slightly like a spoiled brat. Sorry if you're offended but it does come across a bit like that. Live and let live, mate. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/273586-anyone-else-ticked-off-by-rumors-of-the-new-codex-marines/#findComment-3340722 Share on other sites More sharing options...
shortysl Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 While i don't agree with the way Schultzhoffen put it, it does seem that your main gripe is the fact you left Space Marines rather than whether they actually need the update or not. The Unforgiven do not take disloyalty lightly! As to the original post, i'm not worried. I expected this. GW long ago demonstrated that money is their first and only concern. I've dealt with it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/273586-anyone-else-ticked-off-by-rumors-of-the-new-codex-marines/#findComment-3340735 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger9gamer Posted April 1, 2013 Author Share Posted April 1, 2013 I'm a little peeved because I started with Codex marines, and throughout the first year I got stomped at evry turn I made. I finally switched to DA, started to win and get in the grove with these guys, and suddenly they are getting a new codex that may or may not be better and have everything DA has X-X I'm just a tiny bit peeved at this, and I only hope they stay the same level as DA and the other codexes. Also, I might flip if they have a "choose your own chapter tactics" thing I kinda wanted before. I'm planning on sticking with the DA, but it still rustles my Unforgiven Jimmies. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/273586-anyone-else-ticked-off-by-rumors-of-the-new-codex-marines/#findComment-3340743 Share on other sites More sharing options...
[TA]Typher Posted April 2, 2013 Share Posted April 2, 2013 no. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/273586-anyone-else-ticked-off-by-rumors-of-the-new-codex-marines/#findComment-3340754 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger9gamer Posted April 2, 2013 Author Share Posted April 2, 2013 Sorry, this is more of a mini-vent thing. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/273586-anyone-else-ticked-off-by-rumors-of-the-new-codex-marines/#findComment-3340811 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artemid Posted April 2, 2013 Share Posted April 2, 2013 Not to be offensive but it sounds like a smidge of buyer's remorse It can take a while to get into the swing of how the game works and how to build a good list though. And the DA dex really is fairly strong in power armored terms vs. vanilla marines due to the new price reductions... but I'd expect to see those carry forward. Maybe you just care more about winning than you realized which isn't inherently a bad thing, it's just a thing that's worth acknowledging. Or not! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/273586-anyone-else-ticked-off-by-rumors-of-the-new-codex-marines/#findComment-3340814 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger9gamer Posted April 2, 2013 Author Share Posted April 2, 2013 yea, your probably right... but it felt good to vent about it X-X Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/273586-anyone-else-ticked-off-by-rumors-of-the-new-codex-marines/#findComment-3340839 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BassWave Posted April 2, 2013 Share Posted April 2, 2013 The Ultramarine players can't forever sustain themselves in self-importance and borrowed ideas. I'd like to point out with my mechanical finger that Ultramarines players are not the only ones using that codex... As for whether or not it needs a revamp, it doesn't. Codex: Space marines works just fine. If any other marine 'dex needs a revamp, its the Templars. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/273586-anyone-else-ticked-off-by-rumors-of-the-new-codex-marines/#findComment-3340878 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boniface Posted April 2, 2013 Share Posted April 2, 2013 I love games workshops way of releasing the Space Marine codex so frequently. Means that for the regular marines I could get a flashy new box with some new bits. :-) Other than that I'd be prepared for flying land raiders with Vulkan mega bolters and 12" pie plates. Lol. Just says to me marines have no staying power. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/273586-anyone-else-ticked-off-by-rumors-of-the-new-codex-marines/#findComment-3340912 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Sheol Posted April 2, 2013 Share Posted April 2, 2013 I am happy that GW is releasing codex SM so soon... First cause i want to make a CF army. Second cause each new toy DA can have trough allora. Third cause faster they redo older codices faster they will redo the broken codices too. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/273586-anyone-else-ticked-off-by-rumors-of-the-new-codex-marines/#findComment-3340918 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaplain Killmer Posted April 2, 2013 Share Posted April 2, 2013 Well as far as I am concerned I would like to see another marine codex showing up asap so I might be able to see where the voyage is carrying us. I think it will be easier to see our strengths if you have something 6th edition to compare. Some "strong" DA points like reduced points for powerarmor seem to me just a result of the edition change and not a planed perk for our chapter. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/273586-anyone-else-ticked-off-by-rumors-of-the-new-codex-marines/#findComment-3340960 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WatchCaptainAzrael Posted April 2, 2013 Share Posted April 2, 2013 The Ultramarine players can't forever sustain themselves in self-importance and borrowed ideas. I'd like to point out with my mechanical finger that Ultramarines players are not the only ones using that codex... You're terribly underepresented in favor of Team Spiritual Liege, I'm afraid. At least until GW decides to release a Mechanicus Codex with Iron Hands unit entries. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/273586-anyone-else-ticked-off-by-rumors-of-the-new-codex-marines/#findComment-3340965 Share on other sites More sharing options...
march10k Posted April 2, 2013 Share Posted April 2, 2013 ~glances ascance at the bandwagoneer~ Anyway, moving on, this one'll be back to smurfing soon enough! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/273586-anyone-else-ticked-off-by-rumors-of-the-new-codex-marines/#findComment-3340989 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WatchCaptainAzrael Posted April 2, 2013 Share Posted April 2, 2013 ~glances ascance at the bandwagoneer~ Anyway, moving on, this one'll be back to smurfing soon enough! One of us sticks to his guns, the other speaks of sedition to shinier codices. Pray tell, who is the bandwagoneer here? Oh, and leave your signatures with the friendly Watcher by the Rock's exit once you leave. Hellish villain... Spiller of the blood of thine kin... I thought we were brothers...? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/273586-anyone-else-ticked-off-by-rumors-of-the-new-codex-marines/#findComment-3340993 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onisuzume Posted April 2, 2013 Share Posted April 2, 2013 Oh, as for me being upset? No. Not one bit. I'm actually happy at the current rate of codex releases. 6th Edition isn't even out for a year and already we got 3 codices for it. I hope this'll mean that the codices will be more in tune with each-other than in older editions. I mean, really, just look at 4th edition. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/273586-anyone-else-ticked-off-by-rumors-of-the-new-codex-marines/#findComment-3340994 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigGumbo Posted April 2, 2013 Share Posted April 2, 2013 Not ticked off at all. Why should I/we be? DA is a unique army with its own Codex: the Unforgiven are not "Codex Marines + funky toys and fluff", so you need to stop thinking that way. Will you be asking Tau, Chaos SM and Chaos Daemons players the same question? They have just as much of a right to be annoyed about a C:SM update as we do... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/273586-anyone-else-ticked-off-by-rumors-of-the-new-codex-marines/#findComment-3340998 Share on other sites More sharing options...
shabbadoo Posted April 2, 2013 Share Posted April 2, 2013 <p>GW says "Jump!", the OP asks "How high?", and for some reason is mad now that rumors point to GW saying "Jump! Jump for me <strong><em>again</em></strong> my dancing monkey!" I am trying to figure out if the OP is just mad because they will be asking GW how high to jump again, or that they simply have realized that they fall into the group of people that GW refers to as "Our Holy Grail of demographic groups." <img alt="laugh.png" src="http://image.bolterandchainsword.com//public/style_emoticons/default/laugh.png" title=":lol:" /></p> <p> </p> <p>Rants/venting aside, be realistic. GW very much needs to support the core SM codex, every edition; sometimes more than one in a single edition, because GW is all about the SM. And there are plenty of plastic kits to make for SM. GW will sell tons of new SM stuff, and GW very much likes to sell tons of stuff. I am surprised that C: SM wasn't the first 6E codex released.</p> Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/273586-anyone-else-ticked-off-by-rumors-of-the-new-codex-marines/#findComment-3341001 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boniface Posted April 2, 2013 Share Posted April 2, 2013 The only reason Space Marines weren't first this edition is so they could test the water with Dark Angels. They wanted to know where to cost them etc. in the grand scale of things (they did this with our last codex). Expect everything to be noticeably cheaper/better in codex marines comparatively, unless dark angels is the standard to adhere too for space marines therefore expect much of the same just with subtle variations. I hope it's the latter, i don't want to see marines getting progressively cheaper each new codex. It'll end up being Space Marines 40K where it becomes infeasible to field anything else because the cost to reward ratio is so small. I still preferred it when marines were 'Elite' and there were very few of them. It's not a cash cow though. Obviously the various chapters have perfected gene-seed cloning and are presently mass producing marines to cope with the constant death toll. LOL I think it'd be nice to have bigger marines (in size) double in points with slightly higher stats so it more of a true representation of the emperor's finest. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/273586-anyone-else-ticked-off-by-rumors-of-the-new-codex-marines/#findComment-3341076 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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