Anyone else ticked off By rumors of the New Codex marines?

[Tiger9gamer]

So, there are rumors and talkings of the SM codex coming out soon based on a release schedule  I have to say I'm a little peaved by it, if only because I just jumped from them. I know I sound like a spoiled brat, but Doesn't it seem the SM already have enough going for it so far? it has a new flyer, it still has a lot of tips and tricks to it, so why make a new one? Can't they update the Black Templars instead?

 

 

 

[WatchCaptainAzrael]

The Ultramarine players can't forever sustain themselves in self-importance and borrowed ideas.

[Bryan Blaire]

There are a couple of ways to look at this:

- It's not as obsolete as other Codexes, why in the world does it need an update? There are Xenos 'Dexes and the BT that need it a lot worse. Then there is also the very likely chance that the new C:SM will eclipse the C:DA in some fashion, which is annoying, because it seems to always happen (then again, there are annoyances like this for every SM Chapter specific 'Dex). However, we've been through all that before, the Unforgiven are tenacious, and we will not give in to the petty whims of GW game design.

 

- More new Space Marines! Since we can Ally with C:SM (whether I personally hate/severely dislike the Ally rules, they are in the game), that means the Unforgiven get a crack at any new toys the C:SMs might pick up. Additionally, it gives them the chance to possibly expand on the named character list, give some more variety to that army list (characters may allow certain options but also restrict other choices - God-Emperor I hope they make the choice to do this), and add in some badly needed fluff for previously under-represented Legion descendants (such as the Iron Hands).

 

Personally, I like to mix the two. I'd actually prefer a completely different method of army book production that focuses more on methods of conducting warfare and less on representing specific color scheme armies (although I do feel that certain color scheme armies should match up to certain warfare methods, just not that the color schemes define the focus of the books).

[IndigoJack]

So, there are rumors and talkings of the SM codex coming out soon based on a release schedule  I have to say I'm a little peaved by it, if only because I just jumped from them. I know I sound like a spoiled brat, but Doesn't it seem the SM already have enough going for it so far? it has a new flyer, it still has a lot of tips and tricks to it, so why make a new one? Can't they update the Black Templars instead?

C:SM is starting to show it's age, especially when you compare the price of tactical marines to dark angels (dreads are another good example.) like it or not, C:SM is the big "gateway" army for new players, so GW really needs to keep it up to date.

 

As long as they don't steal too much from us this time, it won't really bother me what they get.

[Deathwing70]

Well, purely from a GW economical perspective (in my opinion!), 6th edition is out, Space Marines are the poster army of Warhammer 40k but technically the codex is 'still' 5th edition. It will be another book that will make alot of money and sell more models.

 

I don't mean it as a rant though, I know they need to make money somewhere to fund production of the more rare races/armies out there.

 

Besides, they did it to us with our last codex aswell, can only hope they don't make the C:SM 'so much better' that greenwing players would rather play 'Green Marines' like they used to...

[Brother Immolator]

Its indeed an aged codex and one that didnt age well at that. It can put a decent fight but thats it. They now suffer just as we did in 4th-middle 5th. They are there but not quite.

 

Honestly? If the pps at GW were not money grabbers they could postpone it entirely, and bring it up to speed with a PDF revamp.

But if the rumours I am hearing are true there is a  f tone of new stuff coming out. Librarian and deathwatch kits been a couple of the few I read.

They say something about a revamp tac squad box too. Who knows? So coupled with  a codex release it will sell better.

[Onisuzume]

Well, about the Deathwatch: that might go into the next sisters/inquisition/imperialis codex along with various SoB stuff and new assassin type.

 

281041230110209 Imperial Agents Enforcer with Heavy Stubber RE
284054630110202 Kroot Kroothawks RE
286010311080200 Cult Hybrid Upgrade Pack PL
286011130110208 Patriarch Dumas, The Veiled Fiend RE
280002330140207 Sisters of Battle Canoness with Power Axe RE
280000211440200 Sisters of Battle Seraphim / Patronica Squad PL
280000111440201 Sisters of Battle Battle Sisters PL
280000411840206 Sisters of Battle Exorcist / Catafalque of Sins PL

281047530110208 Imperial Agents Obsideo Assassin RE
281049111440209 Imperial Agents Deathwatch Kill Team PL
281049230140202 Imperial Agents Deathwatch Librarian RE
280002430140206 Sisters of Battle Prioress Lazarea Verata RE
280002230140208 Sisters of Battle Sister Superior Magdalenia RE
280000330740205 Sisters of Battle Repentia Squad RE

[Schultzhoffen]

C:SM is the gateway Codex for most players. Why should you be upset with another army's brand new codex coming out? Why would you care which army gets updated next? You have already got a new DA Codex. BT may need a codex but you aren't a BT player (unless you run 2 armies?).

 

I can;t see any rhyme or reason for your gripe at all - specially considering it's just rumour and means nothing. 

 

You're right - you do sound slightly like a spoiled brat. Sorry if you're offended but it does come across a bit like that.

 

Live and let live, mate.

[shortysl]

While i don't agree with the way Schultzhoffen put it, it does seem that your main gripe is the fact you left Space Marines rather than whether they actually need the update or not. The Unforgiven do not take disloyalty lightly!

 

As to the original post, i'm not worried. I expected this. GW long ago demonstrated that money is their first and only concern. I've dealt with it.

[Tiger9gamer]

I'm a little peeved because I started with Codex marines, and throughout the first year I got stomped at evry turn I made. I finally switched to DA, started to win and get in the grove with these guys, and suddenly they are getting a new codex that may or may not be better and have everything DA has X-X I'm just a tiny bit peeved at this, and I only hope they stay the same level as DA and the other codexes. Also, I might flip if they have a "choose your own chapter tactics" thing I kinda wanted before.

 

 

I'm planning on sticking with the DA, but it still rustles my Unforgiven Jimmies.

[[TA]Typher]

no.

[Tiger9gamer]

Sorry, this is more of a mini-vent thing.

[Artemid]

Not to be offensive but it sounds like a smidge of buyer's remorse

It can take a while to get into the swing of how the game works and how to build a good list though. And the DA dex really is fairly strong in power armored terms vs. vanilla marines due to the new price reductions... but I'd expect to see those carry forward.

Maybe you just care more about winning than you realized which isn't inherently a bad thing, it's just a thing that's worth acknowledging. Or not!

[Tiger9gamer]

yea, your probably right... but it felt good to vent about it X-X

[BassWave]

The Ultramarine players can't forever sustain themselves in self-importance and borrowed ideas.

I'd like to point out with my mechanical finger that Ultramarines players are not the only ones using that codex...

As for whether or not it needs a revamp, it doesn't. Codex: Space marines works just fine. If any other marine 'dex needs a revamp, its the Templars.

[Boniface]

I love games workshops way of releasing the Space Marine codex so frequently. Means that for the regular marines I could get a flashy new box with some new bits. :-)

 

Other than that I'd be prepared for flying land raiders with Vulkan mega bolters and 12" pie plates. Lol.

Just says to me marines have no staying power.

[Master Sheol]

I am happy that GW is releasing codex SM so soon...

First cause i want to make a CF army.

Second cause each new toy DA can have trough allora.

Third cause faster they redo older codices faster they will redo the broken codices too.

[Chaplain Killmer]

Well as far as I am concerned I would like to see another marine codex showing up asap so I might be able to see where the voyage is carrying us. I think it will be easier to see our strengths if you have something 6th edition to compare. Some "strong" DA points like reduced points for powerarmor seem to me just a result of the edition change and not a planed perk for our chapter.

[WatchCaptainAzrael]

The Ultramarine players can't forever sustain themselves in self-importance and borrowed ideas.

I'd like to point out with my mechanical finger that Ultramarines players are not the only ones using that codex...

You're terribly underepresented in favor of Team Spiritual Liege, I'm afraid. At least until GW decides to release a Mechanicus Codex with Iron Hands unit entries.

[march10k]

~glances ascance at the bandwagoneer~

 

Anyway, moving on, this one'll be back to smurfing soon enough!

[WatchCaptainAzrael]

~glances ascance at the bandwagoneer~

Anyway, moving on, this one'll be back to smurfing soon enough!

One of us sticks to his guns, the other speaks of sedition to shinier codices. Pray tell, who is the bandwagoneer here?

Oh, and leave your signatures with the friendly Watcher by the Rock's exit once you leave. Hellish villain... Spiller of the blood of thine kin... I thought we were brothers...?

[Onisuzume]

Oh, as for me being upset?

No. Not one bit.

I'm actually happy at the current rate of codex releases.

6th Edition isn't even out for a year and already we got 3 codices for it.

I hope this'll mean that the codices will be more in tune with each-other than in older editions.

I mean, really, just look at 4th edition.

[BigGumbo]

Not ticked off at all. Why should I/we be? DA is a unique army with its own Codex: the Unforgiven are not "Codex Marines + funky toys and fluff", so you need to stop thinking that way. Will you be asking Tau, Chaos SM and Chaos Daemons players the same question? They have just as much of a right to be annoyed about a C:SM update as we do...

[shabbadoo]

<p>GW says "Jump!", the OP asks "How high?", and for some reason is mad now that rumors point to GW saying "Jump! Jump for me <strong><em>again</em></strong> my dancing monkey!"   I am trying to figure out if the OP is just mad because they will be asking GW how high to jump again, or that they simply have realized that they fall into the group of people that GW refers to as "Our Holy Grail of demographic groups." <img alt="laugh.png" src="http://image.bolterandchainsword.com//public/style_emoticons/default/laugh.png" title=":lol:" /></p>

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<p>Rants/venting aside, be realistic.  GW very much needs to support the core SM codex, every edition; sometimes more than one in a single edition, because GW is all about the SM.  And there are plenty of plastic kits to make for SM.  GW will sell tons of new SM stuff, and GW very much likes to sell tons of stuff.  I am surprised that C: SM wasn't the first 6E codex released.</p>

[Boniface]

The only reason Space Marines weren't first this edition is so they could test the water with Dark Angels. They wanted to know where to cost them etc. in the grand scale of things (they did this with our last codex).

 

Expect everything to be noticeably cheaper/better in codex marines comparatively, unless dark angels is the standard to adhere too for space marines therefore expect much of the same just with subtle variations.

 

I hope it's the latter, i don't want to see marines getting progressively cheaper each new codex. It'll end up being Space Marines 40K where it becomes infeasible to field anything else because the cost to reward ratio is so small.

 

I still preferred it when marines were 'Elite' and there were very few of them. It's not a cash cow though. Obviously the various chapters have perfected gene-seed cloning and are presently mass producing marines to cope with the constant death toll. LOL

 

I think it'd be nice to have bigger marines (in size) double in points with slightly higher stats so it more of a true representation of the emperor's finest.