Lord Marshal Ragnrok Posted April 3, 2013 Share Posted April 3, 2013 (edited) Feedback Welcome! Void Wraiths Founding: Impossible to DetermineProgenitor Legion: UnknownKnown Descendants: None/UnknownChapter Master: Phelan KalligSpecialization: Archeotech, Stealth Ops followed by Overwhelming force Homeworld: None, Fleet-basedAllegiance: Judged/Loyalist? History of the Chapter STILL UNDER REVISIONFuture Section on Known HistoryWill Include: Major engagements, Chapter Civil War, current history Origins of the Chapter The Chapter's origins are completely unknown to the Imperium. They appeared suddenly with no Imperial records of the Chapter. The Imperium and Inquisition demanded they prove their loyalty before being accepted into the Adeptus Astartes, which they have done with particular ferocity for their entire recorded existence. Time and time again they have proven their loyalty and brutal effectiveness in battle with every manner of enemy. But several factors still draw suspicious eyes. In the many years that the Imperials have searched for answers, no information about the origins of the Chapter or its early history have ever been found. They do not even know where the Chapter acquired its war material. Additionally, the true numbers of marines and inner workings of the Chapter can only be guessed at by outsiders. Furthermore, the Chapter does not adhere to the Codex, creating further friction with Imperials. Chapter records and marines themselves have not proved particularly helpful in answering these questions. The Imperium is thus reluctant to clear them as they cannot help but wonder why this information is absent or why its seems that the marines are hiding something. Yet all these questions would be answered in time, at a crucial moment of need for an Imperial sector...Future Section on Chapter originsOrganization Chapter Command Command: Chapter Master Honor Guard mostveteran marines of the Chapter and Chapter Champion led byCaptain of the Honor Guard Librarus ChiefLibrarian -> Touman Father Librarian -> Company LibrarianChaplaincy HighChaplain -> Touman/Senior Chaplain -> Company ChaplainApothecarion ChiefApothecary -> Senior Apothecary -> ApothecaryArmory Masterof the Forge tendsto all armor, vehicles and weapons razorbacks,predators (including annihilator), whirlwinds, land raiders (allcurrently used models), drop pods, dropships and land speeders Ancients standardbearers, equerries, Venerable Dreadnoughts ToumanAncients, Company Standard Bearers Toumans: Command: Commander Theseare more equivalent to the battalions of original 1st Founding Legions 5companies 1stcompany is Touman Veterans hasaccess to Terminator armor 1stTouman has access to the best equipment and its first Company is the FirstCompany of the Chapter FirstCaptain is the CO of !st Touman's first Company usuallycomposed of 1 veteran company, 3 line companies and one Reserve Companywith all specialist troops (ex. dedicated assault or devastator troops) Commanderusually accompanied in battle by Touman Command Squad with Touman Champion Companies Command: Captain SeniorCaptain - Captain of the first company in each ToumanCompany Composition: consistsof marines from all clans 100marines 10squads (9 marines and 1 sgt) 1command squad (led by Veteran Sgt) Types of Companies LineCompanys are Battle or Assault Companies BattleCompany standardcompany6Tactical Squads 2Assault Squads 2Devastator Squads? AssaultCompanyallAssault Squads somesquads have jumppacks mayhave Assault Terms attached ReserveCompanyanytype of Company can be a Reserve Company Companiesmay have specialist Wrath Squadsmadeof veteran marines mostnumerous in veteran companies armedwith bolters and close combat weapons (ex. chain swords) combinationof tactical and assault squad extremelyflexible Recruitment and Training Unit: all scouts, usually assignedin small squads to companies throughout chapter. Chapter Fleet (known elements)Altus Templum ("Secret Sanctuary"), an ancient Glorianaclass battleship, Flagship, Fortress Monestary2 Battle Barges, Adamas ("Unconquerable/Invincible")and Bellum Lupus ("War Wolf")Flax Ilia ("Jade Falcon") a Retribution class battleshipBellator ("Warrior"), a Oberon class battleship 4 Strike Cruisers, Umbra ("Shadow"), AstrumVipera ("Star Viper"), Ferrum Tolero ("IronBear"), BassetBattle Cruiser classes: Armageddon, Mars and OverlordCruiser classes: Lunar and Gothic Combat Doctrine The Void Wraiths have become known for ferocious, surgical strikes from the shadows. They use stealth operations to weaken and scout out their enemies before striking like a hammer with overwhelming force from multiple directions. They appear out of nowhere in the blink of an eye and disappear without a trace as soon as the enemy is defeated. Their skill in concealing their movements is compared by some to the descendants of the Raven Guard. Thus, the Void Wraiths have proved to be a horrifically deadly military force. Regard for Knowledge The Chapter is known for its great regard for knowledge and taking great riskto acquire or preserve knowledge. In fact, the Chapter's regard for knowledge is almost as extreme as the BloodRavens, which of course has raise questions about the Chapters and theirrelationship. It is known that it possesses large amounts of ancient and arcane texts and technology, the mostobvious being its Gloriana class battleship. It is known that the chapter seeksto work with the Dark Angels and White Scars on developing a larger version ofthe Land Speeder designed for troop transport in small strike force operations.They also are actively seeking data on ancient Great Crusade era super tanksfor the development of their own versions.Geneseed The Chapter refuses the Imperium access to its geneseed in anyway and claimsits geneseed tithes have been paid. Unknown to the Imperium, the Chapter has asecret alliance with the Adeptus Mechanicus which provides them with someprotection from the inquiry of other departments of the Adeptus Terra, includingthe Inquisition. The AdMech allows the Chapter to refrain from sending geneseedtithes and informs the rest of the Imperium that the tithes are paid. Additionally,the AdMech's exclusive access to geneseed prevents other departments, namelythe Inquisition from checking the geneseed or the tithes. In return, theChapter allows the AdMech access to the vast amounts of knowledge and archotech(including parts of their Gloriana class battleship) collected by the Chapter,and assists its explorator fleets. As such, nothing is known of its geneseed. Special Thanks to Raven Angel and the other fellas that helped me withthis Recruitment The Chapter recruits from the techno-clan based peoples of several Knightworlds, which are all Forbidden worlds at present. These clans interactregularly and are well aware of the Astartes. The ultimate goal of every youngclansman is to be selected to become an Astartes. The Chapter recruits from allthe clans. The clan society produces exceptionally strong recruits whoare used to clan warfare and better prepared for their brutal training andtransformation. [skullheaderhalf-000000]The Knight Worlds[/skullheaderhalf] The Knight worlds from with the clans originate and themarines are recruited from are hidden from all astrological maps and unknown toany outside the chapter or AdMech. Any vessel from any other faction,Imperial or not, mysteriously disappears or is found lifeless in the void. It is unknown how the chapter found these worlds or if they were even theone discover them. However, it is clear to the AdMech that these aretheir sole recruitment worlds. They are dominated by techno-clan basedsociety. There are 6 of these clans which are constantly fighting honorwars for territory and resources. Each Marine in the Chapter holds on tohis lineage to a clan. Brother Marines of the same clan share the traditionsand brotherhood of their lineage, but they also share the combined and ultimatebrotherhood between all clanners that is the Chapter. Each Marine bares a smallversion of their clan badge on their armor, often on the knee. Furthermore,there is a Clan Council which operates outside of the chapter hierarchy andacts as a interclan forum for the marines of the chapter. Here each clan isrepresented by a ilKhan, literally a clan representative, who is often aDreadnought. The Clan Council speaks on a variety of clan matters within theChapter and helps to solidify the bond of brotherhood and equality in theChapter. These Knight worlds are crucial to the chapter and thus thechapter will take almost any risk to protect them. The Clans WolfSmoke JaguarJade FalconStar AdderSteel ViperGhost BearKnown Members Phelan Kallig - Chapter Master Ulric Kerensky - High Chaplain and one their oldest warriors Gareth Ward - Commander, 3rd Touman Jadus Augustinian - Commander, 4th Touman Veilen Pryde - Commander, 6th Touman Tiber Kotare - Commander, 7th Touman Solaro Banesk - Master of the Forge Harkas Zym - Chief Librarian Dessel Jorgesson - Shadow Captain Valken Qaruz - Captain Orar Nev - Captain Hyperion Nox - Librarian Tiberos Malorum - Chaplain Antinius Tremayne - Chaplain Veteran Brother Helmar - Veteran marine, 3rd Touman Brother Zakarian - Techmarine Chapter Color Scheme Standard Marine: Elite 1st Touman: Standard Touman Terminator: Elite 1st Touman Terminator: Other Marine Images Tactical Marine, 2nd Touman, 8th Company, 3rd Squad Tactical Sergeant, 2nd Touman, 8th Company, 3rd Squad Assualt Marine, 2nd Touman, 7th Company, 5th Squad Veteran Marine, 2nd Touman, 6th Company, 2nd Squad Edited May 10, 2016 by The Lord Marshal Hot-linked images turned into links. DON'T CHANGE THEM BACK. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/273683-void-wraiths/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
corlinjewell Posted April 4, 2013 Share Posted April 4, 2013 Going with the Battletech theme, you could remove your favorite clan from those amongst those found on your Homeworld and call the Chapter that (my vote is the Smoke Jaguars ). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/273683-void-wraiths/#findComment-3342472 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marquise Posted April 4, 2013 Share Posted April 4, 2013 Look forward to reading more. Especially to see if Smoke Jaguars get annihilated somehow, like they did in the Battletech universe. Only problem I see so far is that the "clan council" wouldn't act outside the chapter hierachy, it would be the chapter heirarchy - the goal/concept would be the same as stated. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/273683-void-wraiths/#findComment-3342475 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Marshal Ragnrok Posted April 4, 2013 Author Share Posted April 4, 2013 (edited) Going with the Battletech theme, you could remove your favorite clan from those amongst those found on your Homeworld and call the Chapter that (my vote is the Smoke Jaguars ). Well i really wish that Star Phantoms was not taken already, cuz id love to name them that. id still like to come up with something similar. i definitely want the chapter to remain fleet based. and the clans are all recruited from. i guess i should also add that in. thanks for the suggestion tho. smoke jags are cool. my favs is clan wolf/wolf in exile. thats y i like the WDs XD Look forward to reading more. Especially to see if Smoke Jaguars get annihilated somehow, like they did in the Battletech universe. Only problem I see so far is that the "clan council" wouldn't act outside the chapter hierachy, it would be the chapter heirarchy - the goal/concept would be the same as stated. i see what your saying. i guess i should have clarified what i meant more. i see that it is part of the hierarchy but it is like different. there are the normal officers and then the council. see the council is not the leaders of the chapter nor are the clans affilliated with one unit of the chapter. they arent like the iron hands to put it simply. its like a clan organization within the chapter but separate. does that make sense? hopefully the organization section will help with that Edited April 4, 2013 by The Lord Marshal Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/273683-void-wraiths/#findComment-3342481 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marquise Posted April 4, 2013 Share Posted April 4, 2013 I think I can see where you are going there but will wait for organization section to see if I'm right or not. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/273683-void-wraiths/#findComment-3342485 Share on other sites More sharing options...
corlinjewell Posted April 4, 2013 Share Posted April 4, 2013 After a more careful read, I think you could name the chapter with what the clans called themselves, "Trueborn". This could tie in with mysterious geneseed and you could even leave the real reason up to mystery. However, I would give a detailed reason why the Inquisition and Ad Mech is okay with the lack of tithing (especially if their recruiting worlds are forbidden). I don't see a reason right now how that would fly, but I leave that up to you. Otherwise cool stuff. I look forward to updates Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/273683-void-wraiths/#findComment-3342493 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Marshal Ragnrok Posted April 4, 2013 Author Share Posted April 4, 2013 what the hell happened to it? all i did was edit it like normal and submit btw thanks. i think about that more when i get this problem fixed Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/273683-void-wraiths/#findComment-3342500 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ecritter Posted April 4, 2013 Share Posted April 4, 2013 From all I can read ... which is very difficult at this time ... your chapter would be shot on sight. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/273683-void-wraiths/#findComment-3342587 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Marshal Ragnrok Posted April 4, 2013 Author Share Posted April 4, 2013 thanks for nothing useful. there is a coding problem with the post after my last edit which i need to fix. so dont read it until its fixed. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/273683-void-wraiths/#findComment-3342817 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ecritter Posted April 4, 2013 Share Posted April 4, 2013 (edited) Okay, useful then. NO History .... Inquisition requiring proof before being allowed into the Astartes. Inquisition has nothing to do with who is and who isn't Astartes. High Lords of Terra initiate foundings, and all Astartes come from those foundings. The Adeptus Mechanicus then prepares Geneseed from their stock (tithed from Chapters) to prepared for the creation of new Chapters. Inquisition has nothing what-so-ever to do with the process. But, questioning the Inquisition and making problems for the Inquisition (they are NEVER reluctant) IS reason to have them shot on sight. NO tithes .... reason alone to have them shot on sight. True Numbers of the marines unknown. The Black Templars ONLY get away with this because they're so spread out. Reason to have them shot on sight. Space Marines DO NOT use Battleships, Battlecruisers or any other ships not normally assigned to Chapters (with the rare exception of maybe some 1st Founding Chapters), those are reserved for the Imperial Navy. Separation of Power, reason to shoot on sight. I HIGHLY suggest you read this: http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/132379-guide-to-diying/?do=findComment&comment=1520507 Edited April 4, 2013 by Ecritter Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/273683-void-wraiths/#findComment-3342828 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Marshal Ragnrok Posted April 4, 2013 Author Share Posted April 4, 2013 I said it is a drafting thread. that means its a work in progress. I have not finished it. If your gonna comment think in terms of what i have not written yet and what is written. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/273683-void-wraiths/#findComment-3342853 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ecritter Posted April 4, 2013 Share Posted April 4, 2013 I said it is a drafting thread. that means its a work in progress. I have not finished it. If your gonna comment think in terms of what i have not written yet and what is written. Sadly, I can only "think in terms" of what you have written and comment on those. Drafting threads appear here all the time, and we always tell the writer what is wrong and what is right with their thoughts. Please do read the link I suggested, it will help alot. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/273683-void-wraiths/#findComment-3342856 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Marshal Ragnrok Posted April 4, 2013 Author Share Posted April 4, 2013 sorry but an intelligent critic also considers what is not written in a draft, they consider the fact that it is a draft and what is stated as "coming soon" i have read the DYI help resource threads. i am open to respectful criticism and suggestions, but since you are not being a productive critic, or very respectful, please refrain from commenting in the future. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/273683-void-wraiths/#findComment-3342874 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ecritter Posted April 4, 2013 Share Posted April 4, 2013 (edited) By "being a productive critic" I get the feeling that you mean "agree with everything I say no matter how wrong it is", then you've come to the wrong place. In the end, I think you're right ... I'll not bother to try to help you further. Edited April 4, 2013 by Ecritter Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/273683-void-wraiths/#findComment-3342878 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Marshal Ragnrok Posted April 4, 2013 Author Share Posted April 4, 2013 i specifically said that is not what i want people to do. i said i am open to respectful criticism Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/273683-void-wraiths/#findComment-3342883 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gripharius Posted April 4, 2013 Share Posted April 4, 2013 I think that, while you might consider Ecritter's first response as *mildly* snarky, your response to him was just as snarky, too. He then outlined several obvious problems with your draft. Unless by "intelligent critic" you mean "psychic critic", there is no possible way for any critic to comment on what you have not yet written. Its not as if you said "Beliefs - coming soon" and Ecritter said that your Beliefs were all wrong. You posted a draft and he pointed out some potential errors. You can accept his comments and say you are going to explain that more later, or you can choose to ignore his comments. I agree with most of what he pointed out, so I think ignoring it will hurt your Chapter. Messor 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/273683-void-wraiths/#findComment-3342898 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Marshal Ragnrok Posted April 4, 2013 Author Share Posted April 4, 2013 (edited) well frankly, the information about the origin of the chapter is wrong, he also has a misconception that they are part of the Imperium (which i specifically said they are not), thus the reason why much of his criticism is useless to me. additionally, he came back to shot on sight idea continually, which not in anyway respectful to the author. so i must disagree with you. now this arguing is not useful to anyone. the important thing right now is fixing the coding for the post. if anyone can help please post here: http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/273696-post-editing/ Thank you Edited April 4, 2013 by The Lord Marshal Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/273683-void-wraiths/#findComment-3342906 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demus Ragnok Posted April 4, 2013 Share Posted April 4, 2013 The "chapters with no original records" concept has been discussed at length here more than once. You may come to find the idea as less of an interesting mystery and more of black hole your article is orbiting. The Adeptus Astartes isn't some organization chapters hold membership in. Geneseed makes men into astartes, astartes make up chapters, and chapters are very much autonomous. Chapters serve the Imperium as the chapter sees fit to do so. All chapters are founded in one way or another by the Imperium, since the Mechanicus has most of the geneseed in the galaxy. So the likelihood of a chapter not having origins is very low, given the fact that the Mechanicus never deletes anything. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/273683-void-wraiths/#findComment-3342924 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Marshal Ragnrok Posted April 4, 2013 Author Share Posted April 4, 2013 i understand your point. also thank you for being respectful in your response. the reason i have defend the lack of info on origin so much is because their origin is not Imperial and their geneseed is not from one source. essentially i have purposely not revealed the details and shrouded them in mystery because their origin would lead the Inquisition to exterminate them. its part of a story. i would be very interested in what you make of that once i add that. of course i have fix this problem coding first. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/273683-void-wraiths/#findComment-3342943 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gripharius Posted April 4, 2013 Share Posted April 4, 2013 he also has a misconception that they are part of the Imperium (which i specifically said they are not) the reason i have defend the lack of info on origin so much is because their origin is not Imperial and their geneseed is not from one source. essentially i have purposely not revealed the details and shrouded them in mystery because their origin would lead the Inquisition to exterminate them. Well, creating an Adeptus Astartes Chapter that is not Imperial in origin and has geneseed from more than one source is an ambitious project, to say the least. I, for one, would be interested to see how such a feat could be believably accomplished. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/273683-void-wraiths/#findComment-3343012 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Marshal Ragnrok Posted April 4, 2013 Author Share Posted April 4, 2013 well making it believable is indeed the real test of this idea. i did find out from one of the mods that i will have to manually fix the coding. that will take some time, so probs later tonit or tomorrow that will fixed and the post will be readable again. then ill start adding more the chapter. Pavement Artist 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/273683-void-wraiths/#findComment-3343088 Share on other sites More sharing options...
corlinjewell Posted April 4, 2013 Share Posted April 4, 2013 the reason i have defend the lack of info on origin so much is because their origin is not Imperial and their geneseed is not from one source Hey man, just an idea, but if you want them to be not of Imperial origin, then you could make them operate outside Imperial jurisdiction (obviously this creates its own problems like supply, but just a thought). Maybe they go around avoiding other chapters and the Inquisition, offering their aid to Imperial worlds, but being forced to bug out if other Chapter/Imperial organizations appear. Maybe their recruiting worlds are unknown to the Imperium. Maybe the Inquisition is after them, and actually ends up declaring those who receive their aid to be heretics or in league with Chaos (therefore they try to help, but end up harming). Maybe too, you can hint at their multiple geneseed slowly breaking down and leading them to Chaos (very slowly as I understand you want them to basically be loyalists). The reason for the eventual fall to Chaos is that GW basically says all non-loyalist Space Marines eventually end up as Chaos Space Marines. Just potential ideas to get around some of the issues others have brought up (I won't be mad if none of them appear ). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/273683-void-wraiths/#findComment-3343110 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Marshal Ragnrok Posted April 4, 2013 Author Share Posted April 4, 2013 (edited) well the first part of what you suggest is not terribly different from what i will write, in a very general sense. on a side note - this rewriting is going to take for ever. such a mess. Edited April 4, 2013 by The Lord Marshal Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/273683-void-wraiths/#findComment-3343175 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Marshal Ragnrok Posted April 4, 2013 Author Share Posted April 4, 2013 (edited) Finally finished fixing it. please let me know if you see anything which is still in code. Edited April 4, 2013 by The Lord Marshal Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/273683-void-wraiths/#findComment-3343223 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demus Ragnok Posted April 4, 2013 Share Posted April 4, 2013 Fluff has shown that the outright refusal of geneseed tithes by astartes usually start wars. The Badab War comes to mind. If you are looking for your fluff to mesh with the wider 40k universe the geneseed withholding as well as some other points are going to require some very unique and well written explanations. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/273683-void-wraiths/#findComment-3343270 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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