Arjac and initiative

[truesonofruss]

So this seems like a stupid question but I searched and could not find an answer and saw nothing in the FAQ. If arjac must treat foehammer as a thunder hammer and thus go at I1 why give him an initiative score higher than 1. Is it just me or am I missing something that says otherwise?

[Schertenleib]

Yes it is a thunder hammer with all that implies. It is in the FAQ.

[dswanick]

If arjac must treat foehammer as a thunder hammer and thus go at I1 why give him an initiative score higher than 1.

Because I is used for other things besides just determining who goes when in CC (ie, Jaws of the World Wolf).

[DanPesci]

aye, as dswanick says, its because you may have to at some point use the stat instead to take a characteristic test (pg 7 BRB).

[truesonofruss]

I suppose I could look past just the attacking. Thank you brothers for some reason it never occurred to me that I would have to make an I test myself...

[shortysl]

For the same reason that Interrogator-Chaplain Asmodai had BS5 in the old Dark Angels codex despite possessing no firearms with which to use it; the characteristic represents the character's innate ability. The Unwieldy rule is simply a modifier. 

[Ghostwolfalpha]

He can make basic attacks at I4 or thunderhammer attacks at I1. Also for stat checks.

[Marshall Bretton]

i don't believe he can, i thought if you had a special weapon you automatically used it, i didn't think you could choose not to

[Schertenleib]

Gaius is correct. If he had a second special weapon he could then choose between the two. As he is only equipped with the hammer he strikes at I1.

[Ghostwolfalpha]

Since when can you not use a special weapon? Technically his storm shield is a close combat weapon with no profile, so he could use that to shield bash at initiative.

[Grimtooth]

Since when can you not use a special weapon? Technically his storm shield is a close combat weapon with no profile, so he could use that to shield bash at initiative.

Read the rules for specialist weapons, two weapons, and bonus attacks.

[dswanick]

Since when can you not use a special weapon? Technically his storm shield is a close combat weapon with no profile, so he could use that to shield bash at initiative.

Got a rule quote supporting the notion that a Storm Shield can be used asca close combat weapon?

[Ghostwolfalpha]

I stand corrected. So could a Wolf Lord on a thunderwolf with a powerfist/wolf claw use its rending attacks? A pistol or cc weapon with the specialist weapon would, right?

[Schertenleib]

The Wolf Lord on a Thunderwolf could elect to use either the powerfist at I1 or the Wolfclaw at regular Int. You don't get Rending (it's in the FAQ). If he has a pistol and CCW THEN the attacks are Rending. Once you take any specialist weapon on a Thunderwolf you lose Rending.

[Blacksad]

can't you still choose to use the regular weapon with rending over say, the powerfist?

[Ghostwolfalpha]

My question exactly, does one specialist weapon get rid of the choice of a nonspecialist weapon? (Pistol or cc weapon)

[dswanick]

My question exactly, does one specialist weapon get rid of the choice of a nonspecialist weapon? (Pistol or cc weapon)

It did in 5th, but no longer.

"If a model has more than one Melee weapon,he must choose which one to attack with", BRB, pg.51

So a Thunderwolf model armed with a Thunderhammer and a pistol can choose between S10/AP2/Concusive, Melee,Unwieldy and Suser/AP-/Melee, Rending because all pistols count as Melee weapons in the assault phase (BRB, pg.52)

[Marshall Bretton]

i thought the thunderwolf entry said if he took any other weapon he lost access to the rending etc from the wolf. i can see where you are coming from though and it does seem a bit confusing

 

i think in most situations it won't matter tbh, i mean why would you not attack with arjacs str 10 ap 2 hammer? anything that you are worried about getting through your 2+ save and beasty stats is going to be striking last anyway, and even then you have a 3++ and eternal warrior