Oldest marine or oldest dreadnaught?

[Way1and]

I like to annoy the fellows over in the BT forum, so I recently came across this, as they were arguing the final fates of Dorn and Sigismund:

 

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"Bjorn was a young SW during the Heresy, Sig was first captain before the Heresy. I really cant see the IF's promoting someone straight out of scout armour into that position. And Bjorn is not just the oldest Dreadnought - he is the oldest marine."

 

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Now, I don't pay a whole lot of attention to FW stuff because I mostly can't afford it, so maybe one of you more fluffy fellows could elaborate for me. Wouldn't the fact that Bjorn was placed in a "modern" chassis - as opposed to a Contemptor - mean that he is not, in fact, the oldest dreadnaught but simply the oldest Marine?

[Nadir]

IF I remember correctly, the oldest 'living' marine is Dante. 

[Dosjetka]

Contemptors are a recent addition to the fluff, which is why Bjorn is in a "vanilla" Dreadnought chassis. Dante and/or Lysander is/are the longest living Space Marine(s).

[Reede]

That's also not to say that he might not have been moved to a newer version of the dreadnought chassis during the 10,000 years he's been around if people think it would keep him safer.

 

I also vaguely remember reading in an IA book that only people with really dark saga's got placed in Contemptor dreadnoughts

[maverik_girl]

One of the oldest Dreadnoughts would have to be Bjorn, if not then any of the remaining Contemptor Dreadnoughts that still remain today. Oldest marines? I would have to say members of the 13th company warband. Along with the traitor marines... since time flows differently inside the warp.

[Reede]

There's a section here on the 40k wiki that relates specifically towards Space Wolves Contemptor pattern Dreadnoughts

 

http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Contemptor_Pattern_Dreadnought

[Way1and]

So... we're looking at oldest Space Wolf, here, as opposed to oldest anything else, yes?

[Jarl Deathwolf]

"Bjorn the Fell-Handed is the oldest warrior in the Imperium." - Space Wolves 5th Edition Codex, pg 49. 

 

I'm going with that, but others may view it differently. For example, He is the oldest, as far as anyone knows. Whoever the Dark Angels are hiding may or may not be older. It could even be He is the oldest imperial warrior actively fighting in the armies of the Imperium (i.e. not 13th Co, Legion of the Damned or other "Lost" groups that are still loyal).

[Apahllo]

i think luther is the oldest marine still alive and not in the warp. also he didnt get the geneseed. aided by chaos maybe but he is testament to the idea that spacemarines are invincible albeit battle.

 

brojn is just the most badass character in the universe and his badassness is multiplied by every year he has served the imperium. 

[Grey Mage]

 

Now, I don't pay a whole lot of attention to FW stuff because I mostly can't afford it, so maybe one of you more fluffy fellows could elaborate for me. Wouldn't the fact that Bjorn was placed in a "modern" chassis - as opposed to a Contemptor - mean that he is not, in fact, the oldest dreadnaught but simply the oldest Marine?

 

Isnt it funny how Bjorn has a 5++ Invulnerable save.... kinda like a conptemptor.... only better?

 

Its almost like hes in one, but instead of Fleet its got heavier shielding. Maybe.... maybe hes in the best darn dread that money could buy back in the heresy, and his chassis was one of the first runs of what would become the standard dread for marines- seeing as he fell about 6-700 years after the heresy ended.

 

Also remember- more than one person can be in a dreadnaught over the course of its history.

[Durfast Spiritwolf]

i think luther is the oldest marine still alive and not in the warp. also he didnt get the geneseed. aided by chaos maybe but he is testament to the idea that spacemarines are invincible albeit battle.

 

brojn is just the most badass character in the universe and his badassness is multiplied by every year he has served the imperium. 

As you say, Luther was not implanted with geneseed. So, like Kor Phaeron and a senior officer in a SpacevMarine Legion, he was never a Space Marine per se.

[Apahllo]

 

As you say, Luther was not implanted with geneseed. So, like Kor Phaeron and a senior officer in a SpacevMarine Legion, he was never a Space Marine per se.

I guess that makes him a half spacemarine... Lol, like a hobbit spacemarine...

[SamaNagol]

Mk Iv and Mk V Mars pattern Dreadnoughts existed during the Heresy

[Durfast Spiritwolf]

 

 

As you say, Luther was not implanted with geneseed. So, like Kor Phaeron and a senior officer in a SpacevMarine Legion, he was never a Space Marine per se.

I guess that makes him a half spacemarine... Lol, like a hobbit spacemarine...

I think the term used for Kor Phareon by WBs was 'false marine' ;)

[Durfast Spiritwolf]

 

Also remember- more than one person can be in a dreadnaught over the course of its history.

True GM, and as per Soul Hunter, a dreadnought sarcophagus can be carried in more than one chassis.

[Grey Mage]

 

 

Also remember- more than one person can be in a dreadnaught over the course of its history.

True GM, and as per Soul Hunter, a dreadnought sarcophagus can be carried in more than one chassis.

*nods* though wether one can move from a contemptor style chassis to a later style chassis is something we cant confirm- it might be impossible, merely a giant pain in the rear, or perhaps as simple as any other chassis transfer.

[Max_Dammit]

Bjorn was to importend to lose his mind, so he was put in a more stable version

 

As for contemptors being older, yes but us the one inside older?

[Grimtooth]

I don't think so Max.

 

After reading about the SW Contemptors, it seems to be that while they are an older chassis, the priests could still intern a vicious mofo into them from the contemporary SW chapter.  Bjorn is stated as being the oldest and we can safely assume that means there is no one older interned in a dreadnought, Contemptor or otherwise.

[Grey Mage]

Well, and he was great wolf for a long time. A guy 300 years younger than him could be in a contemptor, and Bjorn would still be older than him and the only one to remember the emperors face.