Legion symbols of rank/honors

[Saul Invictus]

Right clear up a few things. The red skull is a symbol for a Codex Sergeant, the red helmet is an extension of this marker, with the skull often incorporated into the Chapter badge of the Sergeant in question. (Note: the red skull is actually called the Iron Skull, it's just normally displayed as red, if it was painted blue, for example, the helmets would then be blue for a Sergeant of that Chapter [source: any C:SM that details rewards and ranks]) A Squad Leader's symbol is the Iron Halo, again, often incorporated into the Chapter badge, and the general convention is also to paint this red [source: C:SM 2nd Ed.] 

 

Back on the actual subject, the white vertical crest is mentioned in Dark Heart, now part of the Mark of Calth anthology. Don't ask me the page number though, my copy is digital, it's about 40% through the book though I think. 

[Kol Saresk]

I can find the page number for the hardcover version when I get home but that won't be until around 12:00 AM-ish EST.

[Saul Invictus]

Right, the white crest is mentioned on whatever page is 38.21% through the story Dark Heart as downloaded from the Black Library, and according to my e-reader.

 

The quote is: "he had a vertical white crest on his helmet, a XIII Legion honorific marking him as a ‘Company First Sergeant’ or some such rank."

[blackoption]

Right clear up a few things. The red skull is a symbol for a Codex Sergeant, the red helmet is an extension of this marker, with the skull often incorporated into the Chapter badge of the Sergeant in question. (Note: the red skull is actually called the Iron Skull, it's just normally displayed as red, if it was painted blue, for example, the helmets would then be blue for a Sergeant of that Chapter [source: any C:SM that details rewards and ranks]) A Squad Leader's symbol is the Iron Halo, again, often incorporated into the Chapter badge, and the general convention is also to paint this red [source: C:SM 2nd Ed.] 

 

Back on the actual subject, the white vertical crest is mentioned in Dark Heart, now part of the Mark of Calth anthology. Don't ask me the page number though, my copy is digital, it's about 40% through the book though I think. 

 

I know that the iron skull has been used since 2nd edition as a Sergeant signal...  But I am unconvinced that we can confirm it was also used in the great crusade/horus heresy.  Just because the codex astartes has it does not necessary mean it was there in the great crusade.

 

as for the white vertical crest...  I personally doubt the speaker of that part.  While it does make sense, I can just easily believe that the speaker might be wrong (where as the crest might be a sign of a veteran sergeant as opposed as a 1SG.)

 

I'd want to get a confirmation before I settle on that issue.

[Kol Saresk]

Yep. Like the red helmet used to be a mark of censure. But after that one Ultramarine in KNF, it became a mark of being a Sergeant.

[Saul Invictus]

 

Right clear up a few things. The red skull is a symbol for a Codex Sergeant, the red helmet is an extension of this marker, with the skull often incorporated into the Chapter badge of the Sergeant in question. (Note: the red skull is actually called the Iron Skull, it's just normally displayed as red, if it was painted blue, for example, the helmets would then be blue for a Sergeant of that Chapter [source: any C:SM that details rewards and ranks]) A Squad Leader's symbol is the Iron Halo, again, often incorporated into the Chapter badge, and the general convention is also to paint this red [source: C:SM 2nd Ed.] 

 

Back on the actual subject, the white vertical crest is mentioned in Dark Heart, now part of the Mark of Calth anthology. Don't ask me the page number though, my copy is digital, it's about 40% through the book though I think. 

 

I know that the iron skull has been used since 2nd edition as a Sergeant signal...  But I am unconvinced that we can confirm it was also used in the great crusade/horus heresy.  Just because the codex astartes has it does not necessary mean it was there in the great crusade.

 

as for the white vertical crest...  I personally doubt the speaker of that part.  While it does make sense, I can just easily believe that the speaker might be wrong (where as the crest might be a sign of a veteran sergeant as opposed as a 1SG.)

 

I'd want to get a confirmation before I settle on that issue.

 

 

That's why I said it's a Codex marking, not a Legion marking, just clearing up any confusion. The red helmet was post-Calth.

I'm more inclined that the Word Bearer is correct, purely based on the fact that he's a Word Bearer. These guys are Astartes pulling a fast one on their most hated legion, it makes sense that they'd know as much as possible about Ultramarine ranks and markings in order to cause the most damage as quickly as possible. Eliminate leaders and such.

[blackoption]

 

 

That's why I said it's a Codex marking, not a Legion marking, just clearing up any confusion. The red helmet was post-Calth.

I'm more inclined that the Word Bearer is correct, purely based on the fact that he's a Word Bearer. These guys are Astartes pulling a fast one on their most hated legion, it makes sense that they'd know as much as possible about Ultramarine ranks and markings in order to cause the most damage as quickly as possible. Eliminate leaders and such.

 

Ironically, that is why I am disinclined to believe the world bearer.  The Word Bearer hates the Ultramarines.  While he knows that his target is a leader... but he is dismissive of what the rank symbol means.

 

"Or some such rank."  Is extremely dismissive in my eyes.  It smacks of scorn and distain.  Like the Word Bearer thinks his target is little more then an animal to be put down.

[Kol Saresk]

Well, they kinda did. They're the zealots, the fanatics. To do the things they did, they can't exactly think of the millions upon millions that they killed as equals.

[Onisuzume]

 

Right clear up a few things. The red skull is a symbol for a Codex Sergeant, the red helmet is an extension of this marker, with the skull often incorporated into the Chapter badge of the Sergeant in question. (Note: the red skull is actually called the Iron Skull, it's just normally displayed as red, if it was painted blue, for example, the helmets would then be blue for a Sergeant of that Chapter [source: any C:SM that details rewards and ranks]) A Squad Leader's symbol is the Iron Halo, again, often incorporated into the Chapter badge, and the general convention is also to paint this red [source: C:SM 2nd Ed.]

... Derp...

I stand corrected.

 

Any Idea what the Missing Equipment Badges are?  It would appear that the two Classified Badges are a Mushroom Cloud which would be good for Rad Weapons and the other appears to be a Sideways Skeletal Hand, idk. Anyway we are however, Missing Badges for Rocket Launcher, Melta, Las-cannon and Plasma those all existed during Rogue Trader. Also I guess we'd have to make a Volkite Badge seeing as thats New.

Chem weapons, I think.

Although I'm certain if they had those in Rogue Trader.

[The4thHorseman]

I had a thought today on this, so far we have lots of descriptions from various sources on all manner of Ranks, Squad Markings, Equipment Markings and Honours....BUT, we really haven't Organized it very well and what I think we need here is a VISUAL Guide. Like sort of Half Codex style and Half Painting Addendum. Kind of Broken down into Different Sections and each with a Visual Representation either Illustration or Painted Model and also Referenced where the Info was found. It would be Very helpful in showing what we Really Know and Where we have Gaps, and if need be we could all collaborate and Fill those Gaps with a temporary Interpretation until an offical one is presented. We could start with a General Codex version then maybe have a section for Specific Legion Variances. Basically a 30k Index Astartes for Ranks, Markings and Honours with Pictures of Everything!

 

Again just a thought.

[blackoption]

It is a good thought, but my internet-fu is comparatively weak. I was thinking about messaging brother tyler on how to set up tables and what not, but I am in the middle of moving, so I have not had time as of yet.

 

However, I fully expect this thread to evolve and potentially grow into multiple treads.  However, considering what meager information is out on this subject... i'll make do with the original format.