nurglez Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m3180050a_Chaos_Space_Marines_v1.2_APRIL13.pdf Not many changes, however Abaddon can now no longer become a spawn or daemon prince! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cmdr Shepard Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 I noticed the FAQ a couple of hours ago but it was only on non-English GW sites (every non English EU nation had thier own CSM FAQ) nice to see they are no available for everyone ;) Abaddon's buff is a very good one.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nurglez Posted April 23, 2013 Author Share Posted April 23, 2013 I still feel that all the special characters should be immune to spawndom or prince hood, but fair game to Abaddon i guess :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cmdr Shepard Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 I still feel that all the special characters should be immune to spawndom or prince hood, but fair game to Abaddon i guess I agree... at least it's nice to see our expensive super badass character cannot be turn into a spawn or a daemon prince.... I also think they should make price hood evolution more similar to the fantasy version where you do keep your equipement etc... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biaz Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 With that and the Talon of Horus giving Blood Angels hatred the Despoiler has some pretty sweet fluff rules. These trends are nice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nehekhare Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 Abaddon's buff is a very good one.... sad but true that it is a buff to make a model immune to the negative effects of our special army rule =/also, BA hatred may be fluffy, but I'd have preferred rules that are fluffy AND beneficial, like EW for DPs or fearless oblits btwQ: If a model rolls Spawnhood or Dark Apotheosis on the Chaos BoonTable, does it retain the effects of any Chaos Boon Table rolls that havebeen applied to it so far during the game? (p29)A: No.--> not fluffy and also paradoxical: do Spawn/DA now cancel themselves? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biaz Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 Abaddon's buff is a very good one.... sad but true that it is a buff to make a model immune to the negative effects of our special army rule =/ also, BA hatred may be fluffy, but I'd have preferred rules that are fluffy AND beneficial, like EW for DPs or fearless oblits Yeah, true. But we can't win em all (or even the majority in this case), take the bones we're given and maybe one day the gods'll FAQ us in our dues. Also, doesn't daemon confer fearless? I dunno, I don't use oblits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artein Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 Nope, daemon gives only fear and 5+ inv save. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GodEmperorOfMankind Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 No, Daemon USR Gives them Fear, but does not make them fearless Dammit, ninja'd! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nehekhare Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 also, doesn't daemon confer fearless? I am led to believe that is what Kelly thought when designing C:CSM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AekoldHelbrass Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 btw Q: If a model rolls Spawnhood or Dark Apotheosis on the Chaos Boon Table, does it retain the effects of any Chaos Boon Table rolls that have been applied to it so far during the game? (p29) A: No. --> not fluffy and also paradoxical: do Spawn/DA now cancel themselves? No, they do not have champion of chaos, so they do not roll after their "buff". I can't understand, why Kelly hates us so much? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hornywingythingy Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 ^because we aren't space puppies/space pixies/evil space pixies? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cmdr Shepard Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 No, Daemon USR Gives them Fear, but does not make them fearless Dammit, ninja'd! Not even MCs appear to be fearless... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zhorzh Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 I've just seen it, wow, CSMs get buffed every time they get an FAQ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hezirah Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m3180050a_Chaos_Space_Marines_v1.2_APRIL13.pdf Not many changes, however Abaddon can now no longer become a spawn or daemon prince! My dream came true~ Can someone explain to me about Obliterator changes? I don't see the difference between phases and attacks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDevourer Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 I think that some people might have been firing say lascannons in the shooting phase and overwatching with them afterwards. Now you have to change your weapon everytime you fire instead of only in each shooting phase. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nehekhare Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 CSMs get buffed every time they get an FAQ... in all fairness, it's hard to not buff CSM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
illiastre Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 I think that some people might have been firing say lascannons in the shooting phase and overwatching with them afterwards. Now you have to change your weapon everytime you fire instead of only in each shooting phase. Oblits are Slow & Purposeful so they can't overwatch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Excessus Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 I think that some people might have been firing say lascannons in the shooting phase and overwatching with them afterwards. Now you have to change your weapon everytime you fire instead of only in each shooting phase. Did GW forget that they are slow and purposeful and cannot overwatch? [Edit]: Well, one possible explanation would have to be Puppet Master I guess... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verythrax Draconis Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 Maybe GW is just being overzealous on the oblits explanation - like the one for the scrolls of magnus, it was a dead horse already, no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDevourer Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 Yes i was being kinda sarcastic, will note that in future posts :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Ambroz Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 So basically the only change was with Abby? Can't see it here at work atm. :( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fibonacci Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 These are all the changes: Page 42 – Obliterators, Obliterator Weapons Change the final sentence to “An Obliterator unit cannot choose to fire the same weapon in two consecutive shooting attacks”. Page 57 – Abaddon the Despoiler, Mark of Chaos Ascendent Add the following sentence “If Abaddon rolls Spawnhood or Dark Apotheosis on the Chaos Boon Table, re-roll this result (and any further results of the same). The Despoiler is not meant for Daemonhood just yet!” Q: If a model rolls Spawnhood or Dark Apotheosis on the Chaos Boon Table, does it retain the effects of any Chaos Boon Table rolls that have been applied to it so far during the game? (p29) A: No. Q: If a Helbrute that is already Immobilised rolls Fire Frenzy, does it lose an additional Hull Point? (p56) A: No. Q: Is a model equipped with the Scrolls of Magnus that does not begin the game as a Psyker, considered to have become a Psyker once they acquire one or more additional psychic powers from the scrolls? For example a Dark Apostle with the Mark of Tzeentch. (p69) A: Yes, the model has the Psyker rule from that point onward, and is considered to have Mastery Level 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warsmith Aznable Posted April 24, 2013 Share Posted April 24, 2013 It would be nice if Khârn was also immune from Prince/Spawn as well, but since Abaddon is the only EW now this is at least consistent. I never thought of Fire Frenzy as doing damage to the Dreadnought. Were some people insisting that since "Immobilised" was on the damage chart it must also count as having been penetrated and so lose a HP? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fibonacci Posted April 24, 2013 Share Posted April 24, 2013 For a while there anything that was Immobilized people wanted to take a hull point from. Drop pods, artillary, you name it. Some WAAC site said it was so and all the belivers followed suit. If you just read the rules it makes perfect sense. Glancing and Penitrating hits cause loss of hull points. The damage table does not. So it had to be FAQ'ed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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