godking Posted April 27, 2013 Share Posted April 27, 2013 How would things have gone if the emperor had not forcibly ''retired'' the thunder warriors ? In this reality the emperor halts the physical/mental degeneration of the Thunder warriors and reorganizes them into a 21 st legion under the command of Arik Taranis. He uses the Thunder warriors in the great crusade next to his astartes and primarchs. New thunder warriors are recruited from earth and within the solar system Allthough the thunder warriors dont have the inbuilt ability to be able to fight in hostile enviroments this is offset by their experience greater strength hardier bodies and a level of immunity to psykers. How would the emperors latter creations the astartes custodes and primarchs deal with the thunder warriors ? The thunder warriors in this reality could rightly call themselves the emperors first ''sons'' i could see some friction between the thunder warriors and their ''pale shadows'' (in the eyes of the thunder warriors) When the Horus Heresy starts what would be the place of the thunder warriors how would Horus deal with them ? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/274653-what-if-the-emperor-did-not-retire-the-thunder-war/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raven Angel Posted April 27, 2013 Share Posted April 27, 2013 They would have been targeted for destruction by Horus just like the BA, UM, Sal, RG, and IHs. Dorn would have probably sent them to Istvaan V if he could. Baring that I think Horus would have had to send Angron and Mortarion to wipe them out. Alternatively they could have been sent instead of the Wolves to Prospero to crush Magnus. That would have been an interesting dual. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/274653-what-if-the-emperor-did-not-retire-the-thunder-war/#findComment-3358624 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted April 27, 2013 Share Posted April 27, 2013 Or they could have been persuaded to join up. Of the two examples we see, Babu and Ghota were indifferent and the Dai'Tar were helping an insurrection. Neither exactly screams of an abundance of loyalty. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/274653-what-if-the-emperor-did-not-retire-the-thunder-war/#findComment-3358694 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted April 27, 2013 Share Posted April 27, 2013 Another thought is that maybe Lorgar or Horus could incite their pride at "being the first and superior" creation and cause a rebellion and then engineer it so only the Loyalist Legions are involved, leaving them at depleted strength or that rebellion could be the new "Istvaan III". Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/274653-what-if-the-emperor-did-not-retire-the-thunder-war/#findComment-3358700 Share on other sites More sharing options...
godking Posted April 27, 2013 Author Share Posted April 27, 2013 Or they could have been persuaded to join up. Of the two examples we see, Babu and Ghota were indifferent and the Dai'Tar were helping an insurrection. Neither exactly screams of an abundance of loyalty. I doubt that the thunder warriors would have rebelled against the emperor. There would have to be a really good reason for the thunder warriors to rebel. Normal timeline Arik did'nt hate the emperor he just wanted to live and did'nt really have a grudge against the emperor. I could see Horus sending the thunder warriors into the same kind of trap that he sent the Blood angels in during the normal timeline. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/274653-what-if-the-emperor-did-not-retire-the-thunder-war/#findComment-3358715 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted April 27, 2013 Share Posted April 27, 2013 Except that in Forgeworld's Betrayal there is an entire group of Thunder Warriors helping an insurrection. Reasons are unknown but it did happen. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/274653-what-if-the-emperor-did-not-retire-the-thunder-war/#findComment-3358720 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raven Angel Posted April 27, 2013 Share Posted April 27, 2013 Yes but that is in this timeline after the cull. Would that have happened if they had not been "retired" first? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/274653-what-if-the-emperor-did-not-retire-the-thunder-war/#findComment-3358726 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted April 27, 2013 Share Posted April 27, 2013 Don't know. But that's sort of why I suggested it. We don't know what happened to cause them to rebel the first time. But if it happened once, with the right "persuasion" and circumstances, it could happen again. I also presented an alternative that doesn't have them turning against the Emperor, but the Astartes and then just have it so only the Loyalists suffer the Warrior vs Astartes smackdown, or engineer it to be the new Istvaan III. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/274653-what-if-the-emperor-did-not-retire-the-thunder-war/#findComment-3358734 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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