Are the GK space marines?

[Gentlemanloser]

The Emperor set them up at the same time as the Inquisition as a whole.

 

 

The four lords left to lay the framework for the Inquisition - while Malcador too the eight Space Marines

 

The SoB are now back to being the Militant arm of the Ecclesiasticy (spelling? lol).

 

The Deathwatch, well, they are in essence the Ordo Xenos.  And we really shouldn't have anything to do with Xeno Inquisitors.

[TrashMan]

random factiod, that is actually a mistranslation from the original latin bible, the "number of the beast" is actually 616 when properly translated so everything saying 666 is totally meaningless

but yeah thats still in the fluff. on topic though, i thought that rule specifically stated codex space marines?

Anotehr fun fact - there is no such thing as the number of hte beast.

The original number was a redicolous calculation made by a redicolous individual that somehow gained infamy.

IIRC, one of the numbers used was the year pope Pio VI was born, and some other silly unmbers.

[thade]

Thade, they don't just "work very closely with" the Ordo Malleus, the Grey Knights are The Chamber Militant of the Ordo Malleus. The whole Chapter is IN that specific order of the Inquisition.

Their relationship to the OM and Inquisition at large has become less clear to me recently; a Chamber Militant (e.g. the Sisters) doesn't go about policing the entity that ostensibly controls it (in that case, the Ecclesiarchy). If an Inquisitor calls upon the Grey Knights for help, they show up; if an Inquisitor gives sensible commands, the GK obey them; if an Inquisitor is either corrupt (in the demonic sense) or seen to be wasting resources by ordering the GK about, the GK can flat out refuse them or destroy them, and nobody tells the GK otherwise.

So, you're right, I think; but I'm not sure how right.

Also, in regards to "666", it was a bit of numerology used in a mudslinging political campaign; it was so effective that we remember it as if it's something special. See

; Wikipedia also serves as a springboard for further research.

[Deus de Mortalis]

Gentlemanloser, on 05 May 2013 - 21:49, said:

If the GK were supposed to be the Chamber Militant for the Order Maellus, then Ward should have said so, rather than 'of that most secret of societies'.

Which is rather plural.

This is wrong. From that phrase we cannot tell whether it is referring to the Ordo Malleus or the entire Inquisition.

Grammar issues aside, what about the sisters, the deathwatch, inquisitorial stormtroopers, henchmen, and inquisitors themselves? All of these groups are rather militant in and of themselves, and are all part of the inquisition, are they not?

[Gentlemanloser]

As above;

 

 

The SoB are now back to being the Militant arm of the Ecclesiasticy (spelling? lol).

 

The Deathwatch, well, they are in essence the Ordo Xenos.  And we really shouldn't have anything to do with Xeno Inquisitors.

 

Not sure I get why you're asking about Inquisitorial Stormtroopers, who are really just the personal guard of an individual Inquisitor.  Whether they can, or cannot fight in themselves, doesn't make them the organised military arm of the Inquisition itself.

[number6]

Not sure I get why you're asking about Inquisitorial Stormtroopers, who are really just the personal guard of an individual Inquisitor.

That's retconned fluff. In fact, the latest fluff doesn't mention ISTs at all.

 

"Back in the day" -- meaning, Codex: Daemonhunters and before -- the fluff stated that the Inquisition couldn't always depend on their Ordos Militant to be available in a timely manner, and also that requisitioning forces from, say the IG or Marines or PD forces could get stalled with personality conflicts and/or bureaucracy.

 

Thus, the Inquisition maintained their own (minor) military force -- including bases scattered throughout the galaxy -- in the form of Inquisitorial Storm Troopers.

 

I miss this aspect of the fluff, and am actively using IG allies to represent ISTs in my army lists.

[Gentlemanloser]

Isn't that glossed over as 'Warrior Acolytes', which mentions SoB, the Schola Progenium and the Skitarii.

 

Wasn't the old WH fluff that individual Inquisitors maintained troops they could use, but not the Inquisition as a whole?  Like why Coteaz has access to lots of henchmen.

[number6]

The old C:DH had Inquisitorial retinues. Which map pretty exactly to today's Inquisitorial Henchmen.

No, ISTs were something entirely different. They were forever at any Inquisitor's disposal, but were not usually permanently attached to any specific Inqisitor.

Units that were permanently attached to an Inquisitor were retinues.

[Gentlemanloser]

Heh, I can't remember my old DH codex. I need to go dig it out. ;)

[thade]

Heh, I can't remember my old DH codex. I need to go dig it out.

I actually have that in my kit along with the 5th Ed codex.

[Valerian]

When I get back to my real computer, vice phone, I'll post the original fluff on the Grey Knights from Realms of Chaos: Slaves to Darkness. In short, the Inquisition was established post-Heresy to police the Imperium, while the Ordo Malleus was formed to police the Inquisition. That was its "cleared for public release mission", which it will, of course, accomplish. However, it's true purpose was to fight the hidden war and protect humanity from the daemonic.

 

With this established, it becomes quite clear why the Ordo Malleus requires its own, unique, Chamber Militant, and further reinforces why the Grey Knights are organized, trained, and equipped in the way that they are.

 

Any military force (Inquisitorial Storm Troopers, Henchmen/Retinues, or conscripted IG Regiments or Space Marine forces, etc.) can assist with the Inquisition's mission of policing the Imperium. Only the Grey Knights are truly capable of performing the clandestine mission of the Ordo Malleus.

 

Valerian

[Gentlemanloser]

Retcon strikes!

 

The C'Tan once lead the armies of the Necrons.  Now, not so much. ;)