Arjac's Anvil Shield question

[Zero_2005]

Warriors of Fenris!

 

I've recently started running Arjac Rockfist as my second monstrous creature killer, and I've come to a problem.

 

The text of Arjac's Anvil Shield says: "It is a storm shield that grants Arjac an additional attack in the first round of any assault."

 

My question is... When exactly is the first round? Is it at Initiative 10? Or at whatever initiative that comes first?

 

I imagine that the spirit of the rule is that Arjac gets one attack before everyone else, in the hopes of concussive taking them down to Initiative 1. But the wording is vague and.... vague.

 

How does the Aett run this rule in their games?

[sn33r]

It means the first turn like the +1 for charging is then not added in the second turn so is his sheild.

[Reichfaust]

Sn33r is on the money. It effectively means Arjac gets +2 attacks when he charges, instead of just the one. The bonus attack is at his normal initiative step.

[Jiron]

First round of combat is the combat phase when someone charged someone.

[Zero_2005]

Thanks for clearing that up, brothers.

 

I got into the hobby in 6th edition... So it's difficult to translate our ancient codex sometimes.

[sn33r]

Zero we all learnt somewhere dude and were all still learning..

[Reichfaust]

our ancient codex

 

Don't let the Templar players hear you say that ;)

[Thunderhawk3015]

Too late

our ancient codex

Don't let the Templar players hear you say that

Too late

Its not like the Wolf Codex is old. Coupled with making sure your FAQ's are up to date its still a decent book. Same goes for Templars after the FAQ's came out and Death from the Skies was released. Just takes some outside the box thinking to get stuff done.

[montegue]

lulz. Ancient codex. 2010? 2008? I forget which. I play dwarfs in fantasy. Only the Wood Elves and the Brets are older. :P 

[sn33r]

how does arjac play out? i plan to try him just hes a big point sink..

[sn33r]

just checked the space wolves blog   http://space-wolves-grey.blogspot.co.uk/2011/09/arjac-rockfist-tactics.html  and look what i found about this smasher i couldnt believe it a thrown 6" hammer against a IC,or MC knocks them to iniative one followed by a JOTWW and there gone .... 

 

 

 Foe Hammer 
Strength 10 Thunder Hammer that he can THROW 6". It's a bad idea to base any tactics around this, but it's a nice little extra. It's worth noting that the thrown Thunder Hammer reduces the target's Initiative to 1, which makes it awesome in combination with a Rune Priest casting Jaws Of The World Wolf on a monstrous creature. But let's focus on Arjac's squad leading abilities for now. 

Otherwise think of his Thunder Hammer as a power fist style weapon which mops up at the end of a close combat and batters any survivors with Wound Allocation. 

Anvil Shield 
This gigantic storm shield gives Arjac +1 attack in the first round of close combat. Combine that with his basic 3 Attacks, the +1 attack from charging normally (or counter-charging) and you've for 5 Attacks hitting on 3+ (thanks Wolftail Necklace!). Not bad at all. 

Let's not forget he get's a 3+ invulnerable save from this on top of his 2+ terminator armour save. 

[Wulfebane]

You didn't know the hammer could be thrown........?

[Marshall Bretton]

hmm i thought things like that went at un modified initiative. ah well

[sn33r]

You didn't know the hammer could be thrown........?

i knew that but i didnt know that it knocked the model down to in 1 just like in cc

[Loki-LaughingDeath]

Jaws of the World Wolf is not a shooting attack, therefore you don't need to roll to hit. Your target gets to make an initiative test to jump out of the way and then if they are playing Necrons get their WBB check....which is kinda lame considering that they just got swallowed by a rift in the ground they are standing on, but hey that is why GW makes the Big Bucks.

[Rift Blade]

Not trying to be a... well, you know, but I'm pretty sure they FAQ'd that it does drop the target to I1 a while ago. 

[sn33r]

Not trying to be a... well, you know, but I'm pretty sure they FAQ'd that it does drop the target to I1 a while ago. 

 

You are correct just checked..lol

[Reichfaust]

how does arjac play out? i plan to try him just hes a big point sink..

 

He is very expensive, especially compared to other Wolf Guard--but I consider him a "WGBL Lite", if you will, with some nifty unique abilities and bonuses that aren't available elsewhere in the codex. 

[Marshall Bretton]

i used him to kill a baneblade on the turn he came out a drop pod by throwing his hammer at it, was a truly epic moment: threw hammer, hit, got a pen, rolled 5 on the damage table, ap1 so = 6. explodes, loses a structure point. next dice due to explode, roll a six, another explosion! down to 1sp now, roll the last dice from the second explosion............... another 6! thats a dead super heavy!! :p

[WolfLordSam]

In many of my lists, I am going to have him drop pod in with 4 WG in TDA, SS, CF, and a Cyclone Missile Launcher. I think it will work well.

[Rune Priest Jbickb]

It'll Definatly work but not on a budget ;)

[skeletoro]

 

how does arjac play out? i plan to try him just hes a big point sink..

 

He is very expensive, especially compared to other Wolf Guard--but I consider him a "WGBL Lite", if you will, with some nifty unique abilities and bonuses that aren't available elsewhere in the codex. 

He seems better than a WGBL to me, personally. I'd say he's more of a wolf lord lite ;)

[Squark]

He's Lysander-lite, to be precise. That being said, losing Independant Character status (And the 2+ LO,S!) is a pretty big hit. And half of what's good about Lysander is the 4 wounds, anyway.

[skeletoro]

Yeah, I guess the LO:S is a hit. But considering what you get for your ~190 points, and how many points you'd need to pay for a superior WL... not bad. He's almost cheap.

[Rift Blade]

Something nasty you can try is put a RP with Jaws in the drop pod with Arjac. When Arjac gets out & there is something nasty off by itself, throw the hammer reducing his init to 1 & then Jaws it. I've actually made this work once or twice.Just FYI-your opponents will hate you. LOL!!!