Marshal Rohr Posted May 1, 2013 Share Posted May 1, 2013 Just got my hands on the chaos daemons codex and it describes what I can only assume to be Draigo losing his edge when confronted by Slaanesh and falling from grace. Anybody got any ideas? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/274840-did-draigo-fall-to-slaanesh/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disruptor_fe404 Posted May 1, 2013 Share Posted May 1, 2013 That's certainly how I read it. They call him a wandering knight, and chronicle his arrival in Slaanesh's realm, with a will as strong as silvered adamantium and clad in silvered armour. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/274840-did-draigo-fall-to-slaanesh/#findComment-3362069 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted May 1, 2013 Share Posted May 1, 2013 My, holy, passage? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/274840-did-draigo-fall-to-slaanesh/#findComment-3362078 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Durus Posted May 1, 2013 Share Posted May 1, 2013 Pfft. So now the superduper invincible guy that carves stuff into Deamonprimarchs hearts has caved in to indulge in whatever he didn't need before. Even though I haven't read it it sounds just as inconsitent and badly written as some of the other recent books GW has published. Only GW manages to make me feel like a bitter old man with stuff like this. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/274840-did-draigo-fall-to-slaanesh/#findComment-3362087 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demoulius Posted May 1, 2013 Share Posted May 1, 2013 So first he rolstomps deamon princes/greater demons and when he sees deamons with curves hes suddenly fallen? very "unbreakable" will he has.... If it is Draigo that they are refering to ofcourse! Then again, if he would fall when seeing Slaanesh itself.... Thats not suprising. A god of lust, temptations etc etc. Every human beeing, even ones elevated to grey knights still have a sliver of every emotion left somewhere on their person. So a god made up of, and using that emotion would be pretty powerfull. No matter how hard your supressing it... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/274840-did-draigo-fall-to-slaanesh/#findComment-3362117 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disruptor_fe404 Posted May 1, 2013 Share Posted May 1, 2013 I certainly don't mind, everything I've heard about Draigo (hooray, memetic learning!) tells me he was ridiculous and poorly written. Plus, i makes perfect sense to me that in his own Codex he's this OTT monster of a character, and that in the Daemon Codex the Daemons win. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/274840-did-draigo-fall-to-slaanesh/#findComment-3362128 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted May 1, 2013 Author Share Posted May 1, 2013 Gentlemanloser, with the current climate about posting things from codexes, I don't want to quote it, lest I meet the airlock, but for reference it is in the daemon codex in the section where it is describing the kingdoms of the chaos gods, on Slaanesh's page. The next time you make it to a gaming club or store with a preview copy take a look at it in there. It's a cool story. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/274840-did-draigo-fall-to-slaanesh/#findComment-3362130 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Tyler Posted May 1, 2013 Share Posted May 1, 2013 From the passage, the only conclusion that may be drawn (albeit, not with 100% certainty) is that the individual described is a member of the Grey Knights Chapter. Just because it describes what is possibly a Grey Knight lost in the Warp and falling to Chaos doesn't mean that the (alleged) Grey Knight is Draigo, however. And I'm moving this to the Grey Knights forum since we are talking about a Grey Knight (referencing a passage from Codex: Chaos Daemons). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/274840-did-draigo-fall-to-slaanesh/#findComment-3362171 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lexington Posted May 1, 2013 Share Posted May 1, 2013 Heh. Just gave that section a read. Looks like a nice way for the Studio to acknowledge the distaste for Draigo, and position him for execution by retcon come the next Grey Knights book. Clever. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/274840-did-draigo-fall-to-slaanesh/#findComment-3362183 Share on other sites More sharing options...
IndigoJack Posted May 1, 2013 Share Posted May 1, 2013 Or... it could just be another grey space marine. There many chapters that use the same colors as grey knights, and many chapters have been forced to go on a crusade into the eye of terror. It's not beyond reason that a lone space marine wandered into slaneesh's realm. Additionally, it's not like daemons known for their truth. I'm not saying that it isn't a grey knight, but the passage is ambiguous enough to make doubters doubt. In math, you can't prove something true unless you prove it true for every case. The same logic applies for whether or not something is incorruptible. It can't be true unless proven true for every case. And while I'm sure GKs have come up against a lot in the past 10k years, I doubt they've encountered everything chaos has to throw at them. It's certainly possible that someday, a GK can be corrupted, but until some piece of fluff or BL book says so explicitly, I choose not to believe. Purity in the face of overwhelming odds is one of the biggest things that attracted me to daemonhunters back in the day and I'll continue to keep the faith. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/274840-did-draigo-fall-to-slaanesh/#findComment-3362191 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aegnor Posted May 1, 2013 Share Posted May 1, 2013 I remember ADB saying something similar about his take on the GK's incorruptability around The Emperor's Gift. If they are utterly incapable of falling to Chaos, as opposed to resistant to it, that steals a lot of the heroism and special-ness about them staying true. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/274840-did-draigo-fall-to-slaanesh/#findComment-3362237 Share on other sites More sharing options...
thade Posted May 2, 2013 Share Posted May 2, 2013 I really recommend a reading of A. D-B.'s The Emperor's Gift; it does in fact go into GK immunity to corruption and explores what we might call the "lingering humanity" of a Grey Knight. If you (as I do) understand space marines to no longer be human, then you might consider what I have: that Grey Knights are to Space Marines what Space Marines are to humans...insofar as psychology is concerned. Authors sometimes get a little too free with the freedom they're afforded in GW/BL/FW land. We end up taking the good with the bad...sometimes the bad seems to really mount up there. The only other thing I can add to Brother Tyler's take is just that of the most holy Inquisition Ordos I serve: Draigo does not exist. Knights cannot be corrupted. Any information you have heard otherwise are seditious lies spread by Tzeentchian cultists. Purge them in your Emperor's name. Then prepare for processing; we are en route. Don't leave town. <3 Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/274840-did-draigo-fall-to-slaanesh/#findComment-3362289 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reclusiarch Darius Posted May 2, 2013 Share Posted May 2, 2013 It could be a Silver Skulls Space Marine. As for Draigo, haters gonna hate. He's a Greater Daemon of the Emperor. Get with it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/274840-did-draigo-fall-to-slaanesh/#findComment-3362340 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrashMan Posted May 2, 2013 Share Posted May 2, 2013 One thing I never liked with franchises written by numerous authors: At some point a portrayl of a specific character or event will beome a point of all-out warfare. One writer will demonize a character, wile the other will immediately retcon it or vice-versa. Personally I never minded Draigo, as I know just how redicolous 40K fluff can be, and how redicolous some characters and events can be. Also because 40K is full of miracles and impossible acts and also full of propaganda and lies. Also also because I'm the kind of guy who can read between the lines and doesn't interpret everything literally (because honestly..ti's 40K... you got to be rather stupid to do it) and go on a rampage. In case you were wondering if this is a middle finger to all of those who were incesentlly moaning about Draigo...yes. Yes it is. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/274840-did-draigo-fall-to-slaanesh/#findComment-3362398 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted May 2, 2013 Share Posted May 2, 2013 Gentlemanloser, with the current climate about posting things from codexes, I don't want to quote it, lest I meet the airlock, but for reference it is in the daemon codex in the section where it is describing the kingdoms of the chaos gods, on Slaanesh's page. The next time you make it to a gaming club or store with a preview copy take a look at it in there. It's a cool story. I was paraphrasing from the cartoon 'Trials of Draigo' (I think that's the name) linked to the Lord Inquisitor movie. It's the scene were a Grey Knight captured in the warp is being, interrogated, by two Dameonettes. ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/274840-did-draigo-fall-to-slaanesh/#findComment-3362405 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rik Lightstar Posted May 2, 2013 Share Posted May 2, 2013 So first he rolstomps deamon princes/greater demons and when he sees deamons with curves hes suddenly fallen? very "unbreakable" will he has.... If it is Draigo that they are refering to ofcourse! Then again, if he would fall when seeing Slaanesh itself.... Thats not suprising. A god of lust, temptations etc etc. Every human beeing, even ones elevated to grey knights still have a sliver of every emotion left somewhere on their person. So a god made up of, and using that emotion would be pretty powerfull. No matter how hard your supressing it... He doesn't "rolstomp" Mortarion, have you people even read that passage of the GK Codex? - First up Grey Knight Grand Masters are SUPPOSED to scare Daemon Princes, - Second, Mortarion has just gone 12 rounds with Draigo's predecessor and dispatched him, It's pretty clear from the text that Draigo catches him at the end of what is rightly a tough fight and then makes him go again. Being a Daemon gives you weaknesses as well as strengths (a pretty short list of them I know) and one of those weaknesses is Psykers in terminator armour flailing about with Force Weapons, thems the breaks, sheesh. Rik edit - Oh and rEdiculous isn't even a word. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/274840-did-draigo-fall-to-slaanesh/#findComment-3362406 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted May 2, 2013 Share Posted May 2, 2013 I donno. Carving a name into the Heart of one, on a battlefield, sure smacks of 'roflstomping' to me. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/274840-did-draigo-fall-to-slaanesh/#findComment-3362409 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rik Lightstar Posted May 2, 2013 Share Posted May 2, 2013 With 40k background where EVERYTHING is larger-than-life, this doesn't seem particularly out of place. -Calgar took down an Avatar, -Yarrick replaced his arm with an ORK arm and carried on fighting, And, if Kor Phaeron nearly took down Guilliman why shouldn't Draigo have a shot at Mortarion? Rik Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/274840-did-draigo-fall-to-slaanesh/#findComment-3362481 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted May 2, 2013 Share Posted May 2, 2013 Daemon Prince Primarch > Primarch The Avatar. /meh that's just some Daemon. Got punched out by some powerfists. Magnus didn't have time/ability to on a battlefield carve vengeance into the motlen body of the Avatar. I doubt Driago did a quick Zorro on Mortarion. But the roflstomping isn't just about Mortarion. It's about him ZOMG Obliterating the entire Warp. And leaving the majority of the Warps denizens in fear of him. Doesn't his fluff also mention he resisted Slaanesh, and killed it's 4 handmaidens? His path was strewn with daemons fair and foul, who sought to slay him or seduce him to darkness, yet Draigo overcame them all. Six sisters, the chosen handmaidens of Slaanesh, sought to tempt Draigo with promises of glory, power and all the myriad riches desired by mortal flesh and spirit. But their words could fin no purchase upon his soul, and he scattered the daemonettes dismembered remains amongst the alabaster grasses. The Grey Knight had time and again proved his utter resistance to corruption That anything could exist in the Realm of Chaos, yet be utterly immune to the will of the Chaos Gods, was a fresh impossibility in a domain riven with the impossible. I don't think Slaanesh had any hold on Draigo... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/274840-did-draigo-fall-to-slaanesh/#findComment-3362505 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WimvH Posted May 2, 2013 Share Posted May 2, 2013 ...It also says that whatever Draigo does - like burning half of Nurgle's garden - nothing really changes in the Warp. Nurgle's garden simply grew back, Slaanesh chose a few other handmaidens - guess there are quite a few daemonettes B) - So, nope, I do not think that fluff is over-ridiculous. Not in a WH40K context... Where the supernatural lurks behind any corner! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/274840-did-draigo-fall-to-slaanesh/#findComment-3362539 Share on other sites More sharing options...
IndigoJack Posted May 2, 2013 Share Posted May 2, 2013 He doesn't "rolstomp" Mortarion, have you people even read that passage of the GK Codex? Yes, yes I have. - First up Grey Knight Grand Masters are SUPPOSED to scare Daemon Princes, Which is all well and good, but Mortarion isn't just a daemon prince. He's a daemon prince primarch. It took 100 GK terminators to bring down Angron at the first battle for armageddon. - Second, Mortarion has just gone 12 rounds with Draigo's predecessor and dispatched him, Again, it only took 2 GKGMs to take out Mortarion, but it took 100 GKTs to take down Angron? I'm sure there's a power difference between the two primarchs, but I don't think it's that much. I really like the GK fluff but really, Draigo is a bit over the top, don't you think? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/274840-did-draigo-fall-to-slaanesh/#findComment-3362545 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WimvH Posted May 2, 2013 Share Posted May 2, 2013 Boa, Angron had a bodyguard of Blood Thirsters, I guess those could handle a few GKTs as well... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/274840-did-draigo-fall-to-slaanesh/#findComment-3362561 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted May 2, 2013 Share Posted May 2, 2013 I'd assume Mortarion had a bodyguard as well. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/274840-did-draigo-fall-to-slaanesh/#findComment-3362585 Share on other sites More sharing options...
thade Posted May 2, 2013 Share Posted May 2, 2013 Here's a bit of a re-cap. Is Draigo canon? There is no canon; 40K is necessarily what you accept of it and what you enjoy of it. If your response to this is anything like "Of course there is a canon!" then you, my friend, accept (and hopefully enjoy) all of it. Did Draigo exist? Impossible to say for certain. Maybe. Did Draigo carve a righteous insult into the heart of Mortarion? Did the Knight we can't confirm the existence of permanently scar a warp entity in an organ it may not even have? Your guess is as good as mine. Is Draigo the one referred to in the Chaos dex? Did Draigo fall to Slaanesh? Did the Ultimate Mary-Sue of the GKs fall prey to the tragically snowballing escalation in recent 40K codex storytelling? Possibly. Honestly, it's no more ridiculous than Draigo himself. Is it all abominable propaganda meant to sew decent and doubt into the peasantry? Without a doubt. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/274840-did-draigo-fall-to-slaanesh/#findComment-3362642 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted May 2, 2013 Share Posted May 2, 2013 Totally disagree mate. If you disagree with the validity of information published by GW, then you disagree with all of it. And 40k has no fluff/background information. Which is, well, silly. ;) If you accept that GW have produced a background and setting for their game, then you must accept that the information they provide on this is, well, accurate. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/274840-did-draigo-fall-to-slaanesh/#findComment-3362649 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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