Noctus Cornix Posted May 2, 2013 Share Posted May 2, 2013 Ok, so quick question for you guys? How do you tool out your Khorne Berzerker Squads? Do you fork over the points for the chain axes? Are they even worth it? (I doubt it) What weapon do you skull your skull champions? Power sword? Power axe? Lightning claw? Power fist? Do tell, please. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/274889-khorne-berzerker-squads/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother-Captain Stacius Posted May 2, 2013 Share Posted May 2, 2013 I normally don't worry about chain axes, but the majority of my opponents are marines. For the champ? I like to put a fist on him, however having to challenge, I do like a sword now. If I sword it i always go melta bombs. Lol the amount of times I charge a dread and fail to glance with a krak is legendary, Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/274889-khorne-berzerker-squads/#findComment-3362801 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noctus Cornix Posted May 2, 2013 Author Share Posted May 2, 2013 Ya, I honestly think since challenges are important (and cool), I'll probably be taking a lightning claw. You already have four attacks on the charge with rage and that shredding perk does help make sure attacks hit... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/274889-khorne-berzerker-squads/#findComment-3362805 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max_Gore Posted May 2, 2013 Share Posted May 2, 2013 No axes. Champ gets a single claw and melta bomb. I think that's probably the most effecient way to equip them. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/274889-khorne-berzerker-squads/#findComment-3362812 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corrupted Posted May 2, 2013 Share Posted May 2, 2013 No chain axes, champ gets a Power Axe, and they get a Banner if there on foot. That being said I only use them in 'fluffy' lists and use khorne marked marines in my competitive lists. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/274889-khorne-berzerker-squads/#findComment-3362834 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandviper Posted May 3, 2013 Share Posted May 3, 2013 No reason to ever take a power sword. Lightning claw is the same cost, the same AP, and you get to reroll wounds. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/274889-khorne-berzerker-squads/#findComment-3363034 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted May 3, 2013 Share Posted May 3, 2013 This may or may not be any help but it is from good ol' Polaria. http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/268813-hammering-the-math-khorne-berzerkers-vs-khorne-csm/ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/274889-khorne-berzerker-squads/#findComment-3363036 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deadman Wade Posted May 3, 2013 Share Posted May 3, 2013 I equip my champions with a single claw and melta bombs. It's enough to easily kill sergeants with power axes and fists, sometimes even enough for terminators to fail a save. One skull champ was lucky enough to kill a warboss :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/274889-khorne-berzerker-squads/#findComment-3363037 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talon Kaine Posted May 11, 2013 Share Posted May 11, 2013 Just curious. I see most people saying Claw and Melta Bomb. I've been running Sword/Melta Bomb. So with the lightning claw i'm assuming rerolling the wounds outweighs losing the one extra atttack you would gain from power sword due to Specialist Weapon rule? I just found the extra attack come in handy since he is S5 on the charge anyways. However I may try the L-Claw for awhile and see how it works out. :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/274889-khorne-berzerker-squads/#findComment-3369161 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheex Posted May 12, 2013 Share Posted May 12, 2013 Lightning claw works out just a tiny bit better against most targets on average when charging. Being able to re-roll hits and wounds against Marines on the charge (with Hatred) is always fun :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/274889-khorne-berzerker-squads/#findComment-3369209 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max_Gore Posted May 13, 2013 Share Posted May 13, 2013 Lightning claw works out just a tiny bit better against most targets on average when charging. Being able to re-roll hits and wounds against Marines on the charge (with Hatred) is always fun This. Also, I am a big fan of rerolls. As long as the points cost is reasonable, I try to fit it in. I'd gladly take one less attack if I can reroll to wound. Since the sword and the claw are the same price, it's an easy choice for me. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/274889-khorne-berzerker-squads/#findComment-3370109 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Ambroz Posted May 13, 2013 Share Posted May 13, 2013 I favor the lightning claw on my CSM squads and it's worked well for my MoS and MoK squads. Most people favor the lightning claw especially because it works out to a slightly higher wound percent than the sword, especially because the most common enemy of ours are space marines of some sort, thus we usually get a reroll. Swords aren't really a bad option either though. You'd get three attacks base and then five on the charge (at strength 5 too). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/274889-khorne-berzerker-squads/#findComment-3370153 Share on other sites More sharing options...
minigun762 Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 To put the numbers to it. (target is generic MEQs) Sword charging 5 WS5 S5 attacks = 2.22 dead marines Claws charging 4 WS5 S5 reroll wound attacks = 2.37 dead marines Sword charged (assuming Counter Attack) 4 WS5 S4 attacks = 1.33 dead marines Claws charged (assuming Counter Attack) 3 WS5 S4 reroll wound attacks = 1.5 dead marines That said, the most important aspect is that it looks cool, isn't used by loyalist very often and with the raptor/warp talon set, you have easy access to a great number of claws. EDIT: Lets add numbers for the filthy Xenos (target is Tau) Sword charging 5 WS5 S5 attacks = 2.78 dead Xeno Claws charging 4 WS5 S5 reroll wound attacks = 2.59 dead Xeno Sword charged (assuming Counter Attack) 4 WS5 S4 attacks = 1.78 dead Xeno Claws charged (assuming Counter Attack) 3 WS5 S4 reroll wound attacks = 1.78 dead Xeno Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/274889-khorne-berzerker-squads/#findComment-3370671 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Ambroz Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 Thing is though, with Tau and Crons being big nowadays (and Eldar on the horizon) you sorta have to take into account Xenos which it seems like the sword would be slightly better because of the added attacks. Then again it depends on your meta too (if you've got hardcore SM players....). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/274889-khorne-berzerker-squads/#findComment-3370678 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talon Kaine Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 Good points. I live in a small town where only myself and one other guy play 40k. He has Nids, Tau, and Eldar... which is prob why i've been favoring the sword. :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/274889-khorne-berzerker-squads/#findComment-3370897 Share on other sites More sharing options...
minigun762 Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 Updated my calculations with Tau numbers, if you're interested. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/274889-khorne-berzerker-squads/#findComment-3370942 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talon Kaine Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 Nice.. Thanks. Yeah for the sake of that fraction of difference i'll start using claws... because as was mentioned... they look better.. :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/274889-khorne-berzerker-squads/#findComment-3371005 Share on other sites More sharing options...
minigun762 Posted May 15, 2013 Share Posted May 15, 2013 Nice.. Thanks. Yeah for the sake of that fraction of difference i'll start using claws... because as was mentioned... they look better.. It's a fact that good lookin' models perform 3.14% better than ugly models. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/274889-khorne-berzerker-squads/#findComment-3371561 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLΠFLY Posted June 1, 2013 Share Posted June 1, 2013 I still like to run squads of eight. I take VotLW since its really good versus SM. No chainaxes. My champions all have a lightning claw and power fist. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/274889-khorne-berzerker-squads/#findComment-3384994 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DominikB Posted June 1, 2013 Share Posted June 1, 2013 Is the Hatred really worth it? :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/274889-khorne-berzerker-squads/#findComment-3385001 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheex Posted June 2, 2013 Share Posted June 2, 2013 Is the Hatred really worth it? I'd say so! Plus it's just fun to say "I get rerolls to hit because I hate you." Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/274889-khorne-berzerker-squads/#findComment-3385402 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DominikB Posted June 2, 2013 Share Posted June 2, 2013 Yeah that's true :) I meant more is there enough SM to warrant it? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/274889-khorne-berzerker-squads/#findComment-3385423 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLΠFLY Posted June 2, 2013 Share Posted June 2, 2013 Where I play there is. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/274889-khorne-berzerker-squads/#findComment-3385512 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slayer le Boucher Posted June 3, 2013 Share Posted June 3, 2013 You can't be dissapointed with a Pair of LC's, but if you have enough points, then a mix of Fist and LC, makes it more versatile,( and its still 5 A on charge) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/274889-khorne-berzerker-squads/#findComment-3386587 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DominikB Posted June 3, 2013 Share Posted June 3, 2013 How is it 5 on the charge? 2 base, 2 rage? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/274889-khorne-berzerker-squads/#findComment-3386602 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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