Barakel Posted May 2, 2013 Share Posted May 2, 2013 Dan Abnett posted this on his blog. I know we've all seen the cover artwork before, but iv never seen it this big. http://i1226.photobucket.com/albums/ee410/TheRedThirst/Unremembered_Empire_zpscbdbcf66.jpg Sangy does not want. Also kinda looks like hes looking through the 4th wall at the reader which is arguably the look on Magnus' face on the cover of The Primarchs. So cannot wait for this novel. Does anyone know when it will be out? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/274895-unremembered-empire/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xin Ceithan Posted May 2, 2013 Share Posted May 2, 2013 Are those ...men... Supposed to be in scale ? I know the Primarchs are even bigger than the Astartes. But their frigging heads are larger than the chests of those men.... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/274895-unremembered-empire/#findComment-3362934 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Eremon Posted May 2, 2013 Share Posted May 2, 2013 Given the heights of the men there, it looks like if a marine stood next to one his extra height would be about equivalent to half of what we can see the Primarchs are. Given that its usually depicted that a Primarch is to a Marine as a Marine is to a human, that picture would be to scale. We've just never seen it so directly before that the size difference seems more pronounced. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/274895-unremembered-empire/#findComment-3362942 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerbero666 Posted May 2, 2013 Share Posted May 2, 2013 yeah I thought that too, the scale seems wrong...They aren't that big...are they? Then Magnus....He vould have an enormous schwanzschtücker Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/274895-unremembered-empire/#findComment-3362949 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blindhamster Posted May 2, 2013 Share Posted May 2, 2013 The angron model is not much shorter than a regular dreadnaught as Lorenzen has shown previously... so yeah the image seems in scale - I don't like the primarchs being quite so large, they'd have been better being just a little taller than a regular marine IMO... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/274895-unremembered-empire/#findComment-3362978 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted May 3, 2013 Share Posted May 3, 2013 God I'm excited for this one. I'm ready for a loyalist centered book and I want to see how the Retribution Fleet plays into all of this. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/274895-unremembered-empire/#findComment-3363021 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted May 3, 2013 Share Posted May 3, 2013 Read Mark of Calth No, but seriously. I wonder what this is going to be like since Guilliman looks as happy as a wet cat about to get eaten by a gator and Sanguinius looks like the cat after it was eaten. On the note of the scale, is it possible that since everyone is standing at an angle that it's just throwing off the visual of the scale? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/274895-unremembered-empire/#findComment-3363038 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted May 3, 2013 Share Posted May 3, 2013 WHY DOES SANGUINUS HAVE THE EYE OF HORUS ON HIS CHEST???!!!? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/274895-unremembered-empire/#findComment-3363081 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted May 3, 2013 Share Posted May 3, 2013 Because that's probably the same armor he wore at Signus Prime and IIRC, the first time the Eye was mentioned in Horus Rising, it was called the Eye of Terra and only became the Eye of Horus after the Luna Wolves became the Soms of Horus. If I recall correctly. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/274895-unremembered-empire/#findComment-3363100 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Eremon Posted May 3, 2013 Share Posted May 3, 2013 Sanguinius has always been depicted with the blood droplet emblems, including the hated Blanche pieces. The similarities between the two emblems, I thought, was intentional. Sanguinius has always been depicted with the blood droplet emblems, including the hated Blanche pieces. The similarities between the two emblems, I thought, was intentional. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/274895-unremembered-empire/#findComment-3363114 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xin Ceithan Posted May 3, 2013 Share Posted May 3, 2013 it was the Eye of Terra before it became known as the Eye of Horus and synonymous with the traitor cause. It's still still odd to see it on a loyalist. But we do not know yet When this scene takes place. maybe it's so early in the heresy that the eye is not yet the symbol of thetraitor cause per se? Maybe it's even before the heresy? Isn't roboute supposed to be isolated by the shadowcrusade at this point? Or maybe it's just to show that Sanguinius hasn't given up hope for Horus yet ? And scale wise, I have no problem with their size. Their heads are too big in my opinion. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/274895-unremembered-empire/#findComment-3363232 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balthamal Posted May 3, 2013 Share Posted May 3, 2013 Damn this one is going to be awesome. If it's anything like Know No Fear and Prospero Burns at least. Be nice to get some good Blood Angels material as well. Fear to Tread didn't quite hit the spot for me Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/274895-unremembered-empire/#findComment-3363235 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raulmichile Posted May 3, 2013 Share Posted May 3, 2013 It's not the Eye of Horus, it's the droplet of blood customary of Sanguinius' armour. Both badges are similar but not the same. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/274895-unremembered-empire/#findComment-3363247 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arachnid99 Posted May 3, 2013 Share Posted May 3, 2013 The black blood drop on red background as is the Company symbol of the Blood Angels 5th Company (link) and also I think a Chapter symbol for one of the successors. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/274895-unremembered-empire/#findComment-3363321 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Bovus Posted May 3, 2013 Share Posted May 3, 2013 it was the Eye of Terra before it became known as the Eye of Horus and synonymous with the traitor cause. It's still still odd to see it on a loyalist. But we do not know yet When this scene takes place. maybe it's so early in the heresy that the eye is not yet the symbol of thetraitor cause per se? Maybe it's even before the heresy? Isn't roboute supposed to be isolated by the shadowcrusade at this point? Or maybe it's just to show that Sanguinius hasn't given up hope for Horus yet ? And scale wise, I have no problem with their size. Their heads are too big in my opinion. I think the scale thing here really shows us the problem with (in my opinion) the vast majority of art depicting Astartes: power armor without helmets. It goes like this Power armor with helmet = looks awesome. Power armor without helmet = tiny head, looks silly. Helmet and no power armor = this just makes no sense. Power armor bulks you out a LOT. The primarchs look good here because they don't suffer from tinyhead syndrome, but if you drew them with the same size heads and no armor, they would have parade float heads. I agree that they look too big, and that their heads especially are oversized, but a power armored primarch next to an unarmored and unaugmented human would for sure be huge. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/274895-unremembered-empire/#findComment-3363476 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted May 3, 2013 Share Posted May 3, 2013 Am I the only one who thinks Sanguinius looks a little bit like the stock face for the dragon born in Skyrim? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/274895-unremembered-empire/#findComment-3363492 Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Foes Remain Posted May 3, 2013 Share Posted May 3, 2013 Am I the only one who thinks Sanguinius looks a little bit like the stock face for the dragon born in Skyrim? *Takes sunglasses off* Mother of God...... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/274895-unremembered-empire/#findComment-3363541 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted May 3, 2013 Share Posted May 3, 2013 The logos on Sang's armor look almost identical to those on Horus's on the cover of The Primarchs..although a black drop on a red background vs a red eye with a black pupil..eh. Also, Guilliman looks like he's ready to rock out. I can just hear "HEEELLLLLOOO MACCRAGE!" in that booming combination of Patrick Stewart and Sean Bean I imagine Rob sound like. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/274895-unremembered-empire/#findComment-3363561 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother_Thorus Posted May 3, 2013 Share Posted May 3, 2013 I cant help to think of Dorn goin, bro, what the hell! when he learns of this :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/274895-unremembered-empire/#findComment-3363644 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Eremon Posted May 3, 2013 Share Posted May 3, 2013 The logos on Sang's armor look almost identical to those on Horus's on the cover of The Primarchs..although a black drop on a red background vs a red eye with a black pupil..eh. One looks like an eye, tapering at both points. The other looks like a droplet, tapering at one point. Also, Guilliman looks like he's ready to rock out. I can just hear "HEEELLLLLOOO MACCRAGE!" in that booming combination of Patrick Stewart and Sean Bean I imagine Rob sound like. Fund it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/274895-unremembered-empire/#findComment-3363728 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother-Kezek Posted May 4, 2013 Share Posted May 4, 2013 That's the size of a Primarch? And The Emperor fought Horus one on one? Wow Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/274895-unremembered-empire/#findComment-3363766 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kais Klip Posted May 4, 2013 Share Posted May 4, 2013 Read Mark of Calth :DNo, but seriously. I wonder what this is going to be like since Guilliman looks as happy as a wet cat about to get eaten by a gator and Sanguinius looks like the cat after it was eaten. On the note of the scale, is it possible that since everyone is standing at an angle that it's just throwing off the visual of the scale?This honestly made my morning, and since I'm still chuckling at the thought, 14 hours later, I thought I should make a standalone post to state that fact. Thank you for indefinitely ruining what was an amazing piece of art with that insidious image, Kol xD. Regarding the size of the Primarchs, I'm completely supportive of the height they chose to portray. Nevertheless I do have the thought that the design team has exaggerated their efforts in their need to show just how grossly and intimidating Astartes and their Primarchs are, if only because it is hard to convey that intimidation factor through small scale images such as these. Considering how much more imposing width is over height, at least in my experience, I was really looking forward to a height perhaps a head or a half shorter, so the aforementioned human<Astartes<Primarch proportionality is maintained, but backed up by arms that rival the girth of two upper legs (and I really hope the sculptors take the opportunity to show plenty of muscle on the Gorgon); that would serve as a better intimidation factor, while still maintaining a sort of physical approachability for all the differences in form size between Astartes and Primarchs that is lacked between Astartes and humans. If an Astartes is on a somewhat differently proportioned, enlarged scale to a human, a Primarch should still be on the same scale as that Astartes, albeit over-tuned even more. You don't want them to develop back problems from constantly bending over to defend that pesky groin joint/slaughter all those Guard. No problems though, the Angron miniature is on a sufficient scale after all has been said and done, but I am expecting to be visually assured of Manus' ability to tear apart an Astartes. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/274895-unremembered-empire/#findComment-3363768 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legionator Posted May 4, 2013 Share Posted May 4, 2013 That's the size of a Primarch? And The Emperor fought Horus one on one? Wow The Emperor is not an ordinary man. Probably he was physically stronger than primarchs. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/274895-unremembered-empire/#findComment-3363891 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xin Ceithan Posted May 4, 2013 Share Posted May 4, 2013 Just to make this clear: I have no problem with their size as in height and width. Maybe it's an artist thing...the proportions of the heads just seems wrong to me. They would be fine for helmets, but I feel their heads were drawn in proportion to the armour, not the person inside. Just imagine what size the helmets were on those heads....Astartes are somewhat out off scale - and described that way- because they are normal humans overgrown by all those progenoid business. The primarchs were designed and grown from day one in those bodies. I am finished on the scale thing from here on Still looking forward to read the book btw ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/274895-unremembered-empire/#findComment-3363914 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aegnor Posted May 4, 2013 Share Posted May 4, 2013 That's the size of a Primarch? And The Emperor fought Horus one on one? Wow The Emperor is not an ordinary man. Probably he was physically stronger than primarchs. And he's always been portrayed as being the same size as Horus in the artwork. Although the HH series has established that the Emperor's physical characteristics are actually pretty indistinct as he's largely a being of psychic energy rather than flesh and blood. Basically, the Emperor can probably be as big as he wants to be. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/274895-unremembered-empire/#findComment-3363922 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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