Blindhamster Posted May 4, 2013 Share Posted May 4, 2013 That's the size of a Primarch? And The Emperor fought Horus one on one? Wow The Emperor is not an ordinary man. Probably he was physically stronger than primarchs. heavily implied that the emperor is in fact a very normal looking man with plain brown eyes. The imposing golden figure is actually a psychic projection over himself. We've seen the 'real' emperor in a few of the HH books now and he's not described as any larger than a normal man. If he is naturally stronger than a primarch, it's due to psychic power going through him, and possibly some very good genes to top it off. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/274895-unremembered-empire/page/2/#findComment-3363932 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legionator Posted May 4, 2013 Share Posted May 4, 2013 That's the size of a Primarch? And The Emperor fought Horus one on one? Wow The Emperor is not an ordinary man. Probably he was physically stronger than primarchs. heavily implied that the emperor is in fact a very normal looking man with plain brown eyes. The imposing golden figure is actually a psychic projection over himself. We've seen the 'real' emperor in a few of the HH books now and he's not described as any larger than a normal man. If he is naturally stronger than a primarch, it's due to psychic power going through him, and possibly some very good genes to top it off. In "the Last Church" he was looking like an ordinary man yet had a extraordinary weight. Probably he is as big as a primarch but sometimes show himself as a common man. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/274895-unremembered-empire/page/2/#findComment-3363943 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mogsam Posted May 4, 2013 Share Posted May 4, 2013 Is the blue one the Ultramarine Primarch? I never knew he had claws. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/274895-unremembered-empire/page/2/#findComment-3363944 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blindhamster Posted May 4, 2013 Share Posted May 4, 2013 That's the size of a Primarch? And The Emperor fought Horus one on one? Wow The Emperor is not an ordinary man. Probably he was physically stronger than primarchs. heavily implied that the emperor is in fact a very normal looking man with plain brown eyes. The imposing golden figure is actually a psychic projection over himself. We've seen the 'real' emperor in a few of the HH books now and he's not described as any larger than a normal man. If he is naturally stronger than a primarch, it's due to psychic power going through him, and possibly some very good genes to top it off. In "the Last Church" he was looking like an ordinary man yet had a extraordinary weight. Probably he is as big as a primarch but sometimes show himself as a common man. Suppose it's open to debate till confirmed one way or another, Corax sees the image of his father as he knows him (gold glowing large as life etc etc) that flickers to a regular nondescript man with plain brown eyes) - this is apparently because the emperor is so heavily taxed at the time holding the webway gate closed IIRC, it also notes that it reminds Corax that the figure he remembers as a baby in his 'tank' looked like the more human emperor. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/274895-unremembered-empire/page/2/#findComment-3363955 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted May 4, 2013 Share Posted May 4, 2013 I remember TFH I think was stating how the Emperor looked different to each individual that saw him. Most humans and Astartes see him as a brilliant golden figure unless he chooses to show himself otherwise. To the Primarchs, there are probably eighteen different versions of him which is why for the most part he is just not described in great physical detail except a handful of sources and even then, its only in the broadest detail. After all, the man is supposed to be Humanity Personified. Its only fair that his "face" be able to blend in with anyone for the ugliest person can contribute the most good while the most beautiful can contribute the most evil. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/274895-unremembered-empire/page/2/#findComment-3363965 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hobointherain Posted May 4, 2013 Share Posted May 4, 2013 Basically, the Emperor can probably be as big as he wants to be. Can't resist... Thats what she said sorry all Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/274895-unremembered-empire/page/2/#findComment-3364130 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artein Posted May 4, 2013 Share Posted May 4, 2013 Now I want to see the Emperor going big Dr. Manhattan style.... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/274895-unremembered-empire/page/2/#findComment-3364169 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carach Posted May 5, 2013 Share Posted May 5, 2013 dr manhattan was just one of his identities over the years.. he won the vietnam war! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/274895-unremembered-empire/page/2/#findComment-3364440 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Excessus Posted May 5, 2013 Share Posted May 5, 2013 The Emperor of Man or Magnus the Red, who would win a size contest? :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/274895-unremembered-empire/page/2/#findComment-3364444 Share on other sites More sharing options...
003998 Posted May 6, 2013 Share Posted May 6, 2013 That's the size of a Primarch? And The Emperor fought Horus one on one? Wow The Emperor is not an ordinary man. Probably he was physically stronger than primarchs. heavily implied that the emperor is in fact a very normal looking man with plain brown eyes. The imposing golden figure is actually a psychic projection over himself. We've seen the 'real' emperor in a few of the HH books now and he's not described as any larger than a normal man. If he is naturally stronger than a primarch, it's due to psychic power going through him, and possibly some very good genes to top it off. Isn´t there a quote from the Emperor when asked about his "real face" that he had no such thing? Could be in Deliverance Lost. I would assume the same applies to his stature. He´s as tall and strong as he wants to be at any given time. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/274895-unremembered-empire/page/2/#findComment-3365086 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dosjetka Posted May 6, 2013 Share Posted May 6, 2013 Am I the only one who doesn't like the cover art? The book content seems interesting though :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/274895-unremembered-empire/page/2/#findComment-3365102 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted May 6, 2013 Share Posted May 6, 2013 I'm kind of iffy on the cover art. I think its supposed to look like some sort of celebration but Sanguinius makes it look like a funeral while Guilliman adds the aspect of a lynch mob. That's just my personal opinion though. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/274895-unremembered-empire/page/2/#findComment-3365110 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aegnor Posted May 6, 2013 Share Posted May 6, 2013 I'm iffy on the vibe while liking the technical look. That said, the vibe iffiness may resolve itself once I can enjoy the artwork knowing what the accompanying story is. The level of speculation and extrapolation from one cover will be funny if it turns out to be a Sigillite style 'misleading' cover. :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/274895-unremembered-empire/page/2/#findComment-3365115 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MordentHex Posted May 6, 2013 Share Posted May 6, 2013 Ever se one of those video's wher one brother/friend is having a good time at a party with his peeps and the other one is not digging it at all? Yeah thats how i feel about that cover in a nuttshell. Blue boy looks like a party berserker and Golden boy looks like he needs a nap... This is why you dont drink Space wolf beer, quiet guy gets all crazy and the pretty-boy gets drunk to fast and wants to go lay down. =P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/274895-unremembered-empire/page/2/#findComment-3365150 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrashMan Posted May 6, 2013 Share Posted May 6, 2013 I think the scale thing here really shows us the problem with (in my opinion) the vast majority of art depicting Astartes: power armor without helmets. It goes like this Power armor with helmet = looks awesome. Power armor without helmet = tiny head, looks silly. Helmet and no power armor = this just makes no sense. Power armor bulks you out a LOT. The primarchs look good here because they don't suffer from tinyhead syndrome, but if you drew them with the same size heads and no armor, they would have parade float heads. I agree that they look too big, and that their heads especially are oversized, but a power armored primarch next to an unarmored and unaugmented human would for sure be huge. Last time I ckeced, SM's aren't human anymore and don't have normal human proportions. So looking a bit off sounds exactly how it should look like. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/274895-unremembered-empire/page/2/#findComment-3365226 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aegnor Posted May 6, 2013 Share Posted May 6, 2013 Its not rocket science. In most GW artwork, they draw the heads of marines not wearing helmets about the size of the helmets on those who are wearing helmets. It's a (presumably) deliberate stylistic thing. 40k models always been described as "heroic scale", with characters heads and weapons deliberately out of scale. The artwork generally follows this style. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/274895-unremembered-empire/page/2/#findComment-3365235 Share on other sites More sharing options...
b1soul Posted May 10, 2013 Share Posted May 10, 2013 When is this thing coming out?! Can't wait :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/274895-unremembered-empire/page/2/#findComment-3368121 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frosco Toppings Posted May 10, 2013 Share Posted May 10, 2013 I wonder how much toilet paper a Primarch gets through Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/274895-unremembered-empire/page/2/#findComment-3368295 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aegnor Posted May 10, 2013 Share Posted May 10, 2013 Pre- or post-Heresy? Cause it changes quite a bit in some cases (Mortarion, Fulgrim). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/274895-unremembered-empire/page/2/#findComment-3368313 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MordentHex Posted May 11, 2013 Share Posted May 11, 2013 I wonder how much toilet paper a Primarch gets through Kind of like a rabbit, its just small little pellets so not much. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/274895-unremembered-empire/page/2/#findComment-3368747 Share on other sites More sharing options...
exetus Posted May 11, 2013 Share Posted May 11, 2013 I'm kind of iffy on the cover art. I think its supposed to look like some sort of celebration but Sanguinius makes it look like a funeral while Guilliman adds the aspect of a lynch mob. That's just my personal opinion though. That's the whole point... Sanguinius is (aside from his wings) the purest of the primarchs. Even Horus has said that he's the spiritual side of their father that embodies everything that is good. He's not going to like Roboute's push for a second Imperium. On the other hand, Roboute just seems to take the opportunity to say "Hahahahaha! It should have been me as Warmaster all along! I'm the guy!!!" Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/274895-unremembered-empire/page/2/#findComment-3368754 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aegnor Posted May 11, 2013 Share Posted May 11, 2013 I don't think Guilliman will be saying that at all, if Imperium Secundus turns out to mean what we are assuming it means. There's a world of difference between saying "haha, I'm in charge like I always should have been!", and saying "this segmentum of the galaxy is totally cut off from the rest and we can't help the Emperor. The Emperor is unlikely to survive given the forces arrayed against him, and its therefore encumbent on us to plan for the future where we honour the Emperor's intention." But hey, lets just ignore what we know of Guilliman's character from over a decade of fluff, and what he said about his attitude towards "Imperium Secundus" in Rules of Engagement and leap to conclusions based on an ambiguous cover. Noting that Heresy covers thus far have had varying degrees of relevance to what the book is actually about. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/274895-unremembered-empire/page/2/#findComment-3368771 Share on other sites More sharing options...
exetus Posted May 11, 2013 Share Posted May 11, 2013 Dude, I'm not even remotely serious about Guilliman saying that, but the fact that he's defending the 500 Worlds instead of the rest of the Imperium lends a bit of credence to the whole, "we've gotta start over" vibe. Guilliman to run it, Sanguinius as the figurehead. Seems that Guilliman is a little jumped-up and eager to be "the man." Of course the book will shed light on this, but it's something to explore. I don't know, maybe he's under orders from the Emperor and Sanguinius is the one who says ":cuss that, I'm gonna go try to save everyone!" Here's some food for thought: 1. We know that Sanguinius makes it back to Terra to defend his father and the Imperium, meaning that he values the Imperium over whatever it is that Guilliman (master strategist or not) is trying to do with Ultramar. Until now, they had never explored (or even hinted at) Sanguinius and Guilliman meeting up after Signus Prime, but why does one son go and one son stay? Is Guilliman really that self absorbed to believe that if the Emperor falls that he's got enough power in his 500 worlds to hold off Horus when he can hardly hold off the Word Bearers? 2. Until it gets retold, eventually Guilliman makes it to Terra, but it's too late and, instead, the Ultramarines set about cleaning up the mess... so why not go earlier and do more to mitigate the disaster sooner rather than later? The whole "they were too far away" and "they were totally crippled by a warp storm" excuses are now gone... 3. At the end of Fear to Tread, Guilliman makes a specific statement... it's intentionally ambiguous, but it makes you wonder if it's to help Sanguinius on his way or to establish Ultramar as the new "seat of power" since the Emperor must surely fall. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/274895-unremembered-empire/page/2/#findComment-3368787 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aegnor Posted May 11, 2013 Share Posted May 11, 2013 My comment wasn't directed solely at your post, but at all the extrapolation going on from one cover and some ambiguous comments in stories to date. My apologies if my response was overly snarky. I agree with you that the Blood Angels arriving in Ultramar after Signis Prime throws a massive spanner in what we'd understood to have happened with the Ultramarines previously. They were either too far away to beat Horus in the race to Terra or, more recently, were utterly cut off by warpstorms/the 'Ruinstorm'. As you say, the Blood Angels now being in the same place as the Ultramarines utterly changes that as they (presumably) are going to make it to Terra in plenty of time for the Siege. None of the explanations that come to mind for the subsequent discrepency between what Sanguinius and Guilliman do are at all flattering to RG. I'm hoping they come up with something plausible, because otherwise they have locked themselves into massively undermining the fluff of one of the major legions and the majority of all SM chapters. I can't see them doing that to the Ultramarines, so it will be interesting to see how they resolve that conundrum. Me smells a horrible deus ex machina coming up to untangle this. And I say this as a non-UM player who just happens to like Guilliman and the Ultras role in the universe. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/274895-unremembered-empire/page/2/#findComment-3368790 Share on other sites More sharing options...
exetus Posted May 11, 2013 Share Posted May 11, 2013 If I'm honest, I think it's GW trying to do what they can to remove the squeaky-clean image of the ever-noble Guilliman. I think that they will still paint him in an overall positive light, but I get the impression that they are trying to give him a more vain/haughty edge that distances him from his other brothers. This shouldn't undermine the fact of the Ultras being "the model Space Marines" but develops the character of the primarch a bit more. We've gotten that a bit with Dorn where he had this nickname, but we didn't get a sense of him until Garro dealt with him and then a bit more as he has shown up in the various novels. Very much the same with Perturabo who has been fleshed out rather well. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/274895-unremembered-empire/page/2/#findComment-3368842 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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