Marshal Rohr Posted May 19, 2013 Share Posted May 19, 2013 Because the Lion has been set up to screw everything up this whole time. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/274895-unremembered-empire/page/5/#findComment-3375249 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimdarkness Posted May 20, 2013 Share Posted May 20, 2013 I've begun to think the way they'll deal with Sang in Ultramar issue without trashing a Primach is to have Guilliman and Sanguinius disagree. Guilliman says fighting through the Ruinstorm is going to cost you half your Legion and you're probably going to be too late anyway, it's a pointless sacrifice that undermines the Loyalists ability to continue the War. Sang says so what, Daddy needs me and if most of my sons have to die so I can stand beside him so be it. Sanguinius is established as loyal and dutiful and willing to sacrifice anything to stand beside Big E. Guilliman is shown taking the big picture strategic view and preserving his forces. Both justifiable responses to the situation and the fandom rejoices. There scars and wolf's look at the hair cut the grey colored marine on the right is sporting and the wolf tail's on there belt's. Jagged yellow marking's on the white marine's screams warriors of the great khan to me remember it was the scars that where sent to fetch the wolf's. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/274895-unremembered-empire/page/5/#findComment-3375310 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimdarkness Posted May 20, 2013 Share Posted May 20, 2013 The white marines are scars the yellow markings (there legion badge was edged in yellow) make me feel there warriors of the great khan. The grey marines are wolfs look at the mohawk on the right most gray marine plus the wolf tail's there sporting on there belts. Remember in collected visions the scars where sent to fetch the wolfs. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/274895-unremembered-empire/page/5/#findComment-3375313 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted May 20, 2013 Share Posted May 20, 2013 Unfortunately I don't have Collected Visions. :( Hmm, I can see the Mohawk now, as well as a cowl on the Dark Angel-y guy and a slash of red on his shoulderpad. I can't tell if there is yellow on the icon through my phone. But I don't think the Wolves' Legion is present. Look at the scale. A crap ton of Ultramarines. A slightly smaller number of Blood Angels. Three White Scars. One Dark Angel. And one Space Wolf. Granted, it might be just because the main focus will but on the BA and UM but still, considering you have to see the whole picture just to see those guys I feel it is a bit representative of the numbers of each Legion. That or the artist wanted to throw them in there like that for the heck of it to make us chase our own tails. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/274895-unremembered-empire/page/5/#findComment-3375323 Share on other sites More sharing options...
redmapa Posted May 20, 2013 Share Posted May 20, 2013 Unfortunately I don't have Collected Visions. Hmm, I can see the Mohawk now, as well as a cowl on the Dark Angel-y guy and a slash of red on his shoulderpad. I can't tell if there is yellow on the icon through my phone. But I don't think the Wolves' Legion is present. Look at the scale. A crap ton of Ultramarines. A slightly smaller number of Blood Angels. Three White Scars. One Dark Angel. And one Space Wolf. Granted, it might be just because the main focus will but on the BA and UM but still, considering you have to see the whole picture just to see those guys I feel it is a bit representative of the numbers of each Legion. That or the artist wanted to throw them in there like that for the heck of it to make us chase our own tails. I think the number of marines representing each legion indicates what each legion thinks of guilliman's initiative, the only ones cheering are the ultramarines, everyone else isnt too thrilled with the idea and the Khan, Russ or Jonson are nowhere to be seen and are probably disregarding guilliman's idea and figuring out how to get to terra or retaliate with their respective legions while the ultramarines proclaim imperium secundus is a go Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/274895-unremembered-empire/page/5/#findComment-3375330 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted May 20, 2013 Share Posted May 20, 2013 Well some of the Blood Angels have their arms raised too, although their faces could be either really excited or really.....unhappy I think is the PC word I'm looking for. I don't know. Everyone keeps noticing new things and that keeps making it better and better as well piquing my interest. I suppose we'll find out more as BL lets us find out. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/274895-unremembered-empire/page/5/#findComment-3375335 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerbero666 Posted May 20, 2013 Share Posted May 20, 2013 The Blood Angels are cheering too because IMO Guilliman is naming Sang "Emperor v.2" "Good Warmaster" or "Big Daddy" so they're raising arms for the election of their primarch. But Sanguinius himself doesn't look very comfortable with that decision. And obviosly neither are the Space Wolves, White Scars and Dark Angels around there who maybe see that as a treason. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/274895-unremembered-empire/page/5/#findComment-3375340 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustus Posted May 20, 2013 Share Posted May 20, 2013 What if this by happenstance gathering on ultramar is some Machiavellian plot by Horus to knock out the remaining legions? And only the scars and blood angels burst out. With the wolves and dark angels second and the boys in blue third? I imagined Lion popping out of the warp followed by a couple of traitor legions then them all fighting to break out. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/274895-unremembered-empire/page/5/#findComment-3375472 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimdarkness Posted May 20, 2013 Share Posted May 20, 2013 Hmmm maybe but a knight of caliban standing that close to a son of russ? (sarcasm) Why I saw yellow when the trim color is red beat's me. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/274895-unremembered-empire/page/5/#findComment-3375669 Share on other sites More sharing options...
sponsra Posted May 20, 2013 Share Posted May 20, 2013 That is a terrible cover! Neil Roberts has been getting more and more sloppy as time goes by, but this is the worst cover yet. The proportions are completely off, and the angles of Guillimans legs look very weird the say the least. Back to drawing class for mr Roberts to get the sense a anatomy back! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/274895-unremembered-empire/page/5/#findComment-3375716 Share on other sites More sharing options...
b1soul Posted May 21, 2013 Share Posted May 21, 2013 I think it was confirmed some time ago that the marines on the cover are White Scars, Space Wolves, BA, and UM Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/274895-unremembered-empire/page/5/#findComment-3376399 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted May 21, 2013 Share Posted May 21, 2013 Where was that confirmed if I might ask? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/274895-unremembered-empire/page/5/#findComment-3376657 Share on other sites More sharing options...
b1soul Posted May 22, 2013 Share Posted May 22, 2013 Where was that confirmed if I might ask? An earlier thread about the artwork, I'll have to dig...might be a thread on another forum White Scars is obvious. The mohawk and the claymore are very Space Wolves-ish Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/274895-unremembered-empire/page/5/#findComment-3377313 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted May 22, 2013 Share Posted May 22, 2013 I'm not sure I'd consider a claymore Space Wolfish since it is british but yeah, the mohawk and dark armor does scream space wolf. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/274895-unremembered-empire/page/5/#findComment-3377317 Share on other sites More sharing options...
b1soul Posted May 22, 2013 Share Posted May 22, 2013 I'm not sure I'd consider a claymore Space Wolfish since it is british but yeah, the mohawk and dark armor does scream space wolf. Claymores are Scottish, not really "British". Scots (descendants of Celts) and Vikings can all be considered nothern European "barbarian" warriors. Claymores fit the Space Wolves more than they fit any other legion because of this closer cultural relationship ...sort of like how White Scars are primarily Mongol-themed, but in Brotherhood of the Storm, Shiban Khan uses a guan dao (a Chinese weapon). None of the Legions are Chinese-themed, but the White Scars are Mongol-themed (with other Asiatic influences). Thus guan daos fit the White Scars more than they fit, say, the Roman/Greek-themed Ultramarines This is from another forum: I'm gonna assume that's Guilliman with Sang' date=' and I see smurfs, BAs and White Scars. Are the guys in the middle Death Guard?[/quote']According to the artist, Neil Roberts, they're Space Wolves. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/274895-unremembered-empire/page/5/#findComment-3377328 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted May 22, 2013 Share Posted May 22, 2013 Well the Scots are from the British Isles so they're more British than the English! Okay, another forum. So like Warseer? Either way, fair enough. Technically, to be fully fair, I would want to see where Neil Roberts confirmed who was who but I'm willing to settle for it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/274895-unremembered-empire/page/5/#findComment-3377349 Share on other sites More sharing options...
b1soul Posted May 22, 2013 Share Posted May 22, 2013 Well the Scots are from the British Isles so they're more British than the English! Saying something is "British" is like saying something is "of Great Britain". It's too broad. You have Irish, Scottish, Welsh, and English. Calling the claymore "British" is very strange. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/274895-unremembered-empire/page/5/#findComment-3377407 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted May 22, 2013 Share Posted May 22, 2013 The claymore is Scottish right? And the Scottish are from Great Britain yes? So is something that is Scottish not "of Great Britain"? It might be a more generalized way of saying "the claymore comes from the British Isles" but I don't see how it is "strange". I don't know, maybe it's because I'm from the U.S. Either way, I imagine we need to get back on topic before the mods and admins start melta-blasting stuff. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/274895-unremembered-empire/page/5/#findComment-3377488 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legionator Posted May 22, 2013 Share Posted May 22, 2013 Claymore is fitting to Dark Angels as well. Also, the guy with the claymore has the typical knight posture. Maybe Lion will be the one who dissuades Sanguinius from taking side with Guilliman's new empire. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/274895-unremembered-empire/page/5/#findComment-3377490 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerbero666 Posted May 22, 2013 Share Posted May 22, 2013 I will go with Dark Angel too, also because of the Dark green knee heraldry and the red heraldry of his left shoulder pad. Similar to this: http://cs421721.vk.me/v421721894/4e61/oRvkCA-rVPs.jpg Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/274895-unremembered-empire/page/5/#findComment-3377530 Share on other sites More sharing options...
b1soul Posted May 22, 2013 Share Posted May 22, 2013 The claymore is Scottish right? And the Scottish are from Great Britain yes? So is something that is Scottish not "of Great Britain"? It might be a more generalized way of saying "the claymore comes from the British Isles" but I don't see how it is "strange". I don't know, maybe it's because I'm from the U.S. Either way, I imagine we need to get back on topic before the mods and admins start melta-blasting stuff. Yes, it probably is because you're from the U.S. Saying the claymore is "of Great Britain" sounds even more absurd. #1 It's overly vague. #2 The concept of Britain wasn't really around in the historical period associated with claymores. #3 When most people say "British", they really mean "English", for example...when Americans say "British accent", they usually mean someone has an English accent. I've yet to hear someone call a Welsh/Irish/Scottish accent "a British accent". I mean...it's like calling a medieval Russian sword a "Soviet" sword. Let's say the Soviet Union still exists. Would you say "Russia is part of the Soviet Union, Russians are from the Soviet Union, so is something Russian (i.e. a 600 year old sword) not "of the Soviet Union". Do you see how weird that is? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/274895-unremembered-empire/page/5/#findComment-3377712 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted May 22, 2013 Share Posted May 22, 2013 As I said, this is off-topic so we should probably stop talking about it on this thread before the mods and admins melta the topic for something as minor as a claymore being British or not simply because it comes from the British Isles. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/274895-unremembered-empire/page/5/#findComment-3377725 Share on other sites More sharing options...
b1soul Posted May 23, 2013 Share Posted May 23, 2013 As I said, this is off-topic so we should probably stop talking about it on this thread before the mods and admins melta the topic for something as minor as a claymore being British or not simply because it comes from the British Isles. Yes and I'm telling you that's not how the term "British" is normally used...but OK mate, whatever floats your boat. I suppose you like talking about Asian katanas rather than Japanese katanas. Technically you wouldn't be wrong, but it's rather misleading. BTW, why are you so afraid of the mods? As long as we keep it civil, I think it's fine. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/274895-unremembered-empire/page/5/#findComment-3378129 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerbero666 Posted May 23, 2013 Share Posted May 23, 2013 Let's forget this misunderstanding and keep talking about Unremembered Empire. As long as no one says "Asian Claymore" or "British Katana" I think we can forgive some interpretation mistakes. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/274895-unremembered-empire/page/5/#findComment-3378137 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aegnor Posted May 23, 2013 Share Posted May 23, 2013 Reckon we could just about /thread til the book comes out. I think we've speculated and extrapolated as far as possible based on the limited info available. Reminds me of Homer Simpson trying to puzzle out what Gabbo was from just the "Gabbo. Gabbo! GABBO!!" trailer. ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/274895-unremembered-empire/page/5/#findComment-3378139 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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