Unremembered Empire

[Grimdarkness]

Some news on Unremembered Empire; (I remember this being posted on Warseer after BL Live I think it was)

The marines from left to right are; Ultramarines, White Scars, Dark Angels, Space Wolves, then more Ultramarines and Blood Angels.

The book will feature 8 legions and 5 primarchs. (Inc; Guilliman, Sanguinius and The Lion)

The group of Space Wolves have been sent to keep an eye of Guilliman. (Ohhh yay! /sarcasm)

"Superhero Battle" between four primarchs. (2 vs 2)

And now my thoughts;

-Kurze is likely to be in the book due to him being on the Lion's ship.

-Vulkan is also likely to be in the book since Nick Kyme has said the events of "Vulkan Lives" lead directly into those of "Unremembered Empire."

- The 8 Legions are likely to be; Ultramarines, Blood Angels, Dark Angels, White Scars, Space Wolves, Imperial Fists, Salamanders and Night Lords.

This BS with the wolves being sent to watch other primarchs is so stupid I cannot belive they didn't just let it go with Fear to tread. It makes no sense and never will and it should be stopped.

Wow the bad boy's of 40K really where "lapdog's" when the emp was alive.

Makes this all the more true.

"Because we couldn’t be trusted. The Emperor needed a weapon that would never obey its own desires before those of the Imperium. He needed a weapon that would never bite the hand that feeds. The World Eaters were not that weapon. We’ve all drawn blades purely for the sake of shedding blood, and we’ve all felt the exultation of winning a war that never even needed to happen. We are not the tame, reliable pets that the Emperor wanted. The Wolves obey, when we would not. The Wolves can be trusted, when we never could. They have a discipline we lack, because their passions are not aflame with the Butcher’s Nails buzzing in the back of their skulls. The Wolves will always come to heel when called. In that regard, it is a mystery why they name themselves wolves. They are tame, collared by the Emperor, obeying his every whim. But a wolf doesn’t behave that way. Only a dog does. That is why we are the Eaters of Worlds, and the War Hounds no longer."

—Captain Khârn of the World Eaters Legion's 8th Assault Company, from his unpublished treatise The Eighteen Legions

Maybe they'll end up like the wolfs sent to keep an eye on Sanguinius.

[Týr]

Some news on Unremembered Empire; (I remember this being posted on Warseer after BL Live I think it was)

The marines from left to right are; Ultramarines, White Scars, Dark Angels, Space Wolves, then more Ultramarines and Blood Angels.

The book will feature 8 legions and 5 primarchs. (Inc; Guilliman, Sanguinius and The Lion)

The group of Space Wolves have been sent to keep an eye of Guilliman. (Ohhh yay! /sarcasm)

"Superhero Battle" between four primarchs. (2 vs 2)

And now my thoughts;

-Kurze is likely to be in the book due to him being on the Lion's ship.

-Vulkan is also likely to be in the book since Nick Kyme has said the events of "Vulkan Lives" lead directly into those of "Unremembered Empire."

- The 8 Legions are likely to be; Ultramarines, Blood Angels, Dark Angels, White Scars, Space Wolves, Imperial Fists, Salamanders and Night Lords.

This BS with the wolves being sent to watch other primarchs is so stupid I cannot belive they didn't just let it go with Fear to tread. It makes no sense and never will and it should be stopped.

Wow the bad boy's of 40K really where "lapdog's" when the emp was alive.

Makes this all the more true.

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"Because we couldn’t be trusted. The Emperor needed a weapon that would never obey its own desires before those of the Imperium. He needed a weapon that would never bite the hand that feeds. The World Eaters were not that weapon. We’ve all drawn blades purely for the sake of shedding blood, and we’ve all felt the exultation of winning a war that never even needed to happen. We are not the tame, reliable pets that the Emperor wanted. The Wolves obey, when we would not. The Wolves can be trusted, when we never could. They have a discipline we lack, because their passions are not aflame with the Butcher’s Nails buzzing in the back of their skulls. The Wolves will always come to heel when called. In that regard, it is a mystery why they name themselves wolves. They are tame, collared by the Emperor, obeying his every whim. But a wolf doesn’t behave that way. Only a dog does. That is why we are the Eaters of Worlds, and the War Hounds no longer."

—Captain Khârn of the World Eaters Legion's 8th Assault Company, from his unpublished treatise The Eighteen Legions

Maybe they'll end up like the wolfs sent to keep on eye on the Sanguinius.

Most likely they will end up in a bodybag.

It just makes me so angry when Dan Abnett makes such an awesome foundation for cool wolves stories with Prospero Burns and then it's either ignored or just screwed up and twisted into ultimate stupidity.

[Cerbero666]

 Well, the writer of Unremembered Empire is Dan Abnett, so maybe he will make them as badasses as in Prospero Burns.

[Kol Saresk]

I'm to lazy to go through the entire thread so apologise if this have already been asked.

 

But when does Unremembered Empire come out?

I don't know if an exact date has been set but the current rumors are that it is the next book after Vulkan Lives, which would sort of make sense since they're the only two books we really know of coming out.

 

-Kurze is likely to be in the book due to him being on the Lion's ship.

 

Two problems.

1.) It is unconfirmed what exactly happened to Curze after the events in Prince of Crows. We literally have no idea if he is on the Invincible Reason or if he made it back to the Nightfall or another Night Lords ship that was in better condition.

 

2.) The Lion and the Dark Angels that were with him left for Ultramar at the end of Savage Weapons. We then see him again in The Lion, but other than disagreeing with whatever Guilliman says there, we have no idea as to what happened.

 

This BS with the wolves being sent to watch other primarchs is so stupid I cannot belive they didn't just let it go with Fear to tread. It makes no sense and never will and it should be stopped.

Remember, it's just a rumor from Warseer. For all we know, the Space Wolves got sucked up with Tizca and wound up in Ultramar rather than staying there.

[Sevatar]

It is Morty and Curze vs Sangy and the Lion, at least, I think that's what Dan Abnett wrote on his blog somewhere. 

[Marshal Rohr]

That's a bad move. A D B should be the only one to write about Kurze. The Night Lords and Word Bearers are his babies now

[Kol Saresk]

No, or at least its not Curze vs the Lion. The reason I say this is because of the terminology used in Savage Weapons and Prince of Crows. First fight, second fight and third rematch. Since the end of Savage Weapons and the beginning of The Lion show that that is where the Lion went to Ultramar, and A D-B and Dan Abnett seem to do some talking, it would be really weird for A D-B to use that terminology and then Abnett make it invalid. Bu it wouldn't be the first time something was said in one place and then something different said somewhere later. A la Thousand Sons and The Outcast Dead, which were ironically written by the same author.

 

But I know that as used as we all are to retcons and everything, Curze might be in the novel but it isn't going to be as a guest on the Invincible Reason or in a rematch with the Lion.

[Warhamster Horus]

@ Sevatar- Actually that does ring a few bells, I've read that in a couple of places now I had persumed it was a different novel, but thinking back on it this is the only upcoming novel that would fit into.

 

@ Kol- I think it is more than strongly implied in that novella that Kurze is on the flagship. Aaron came as close to implying it without out right saying it as is possible tbh.

 

@ Marshal- "Vulkan Lives" will take an in-depth look at Kurze's psychology so Abnett won't be the only one to write about him. Plus I don't think Aaron would appreciate the WB and NL being labelled as "his babies" I believe he would prefer other people too be able to write about them without worrying about that. (Although having said that, considering the abysmal display of the WB outside of Aaron's writing, I'am inclined to agree with you.)

[Kol Saresk]

Possibly. But there was an entire thread where people thought A D-B implied that Sevatar became a Grey Knight because there was a statue of one of the Founding Masters in The Emperor's Gift that was described as having once been a Traitor or something like that and it had a chain-glaive.

 

So I kind of hold "implications" at arms length until they're proven. I'm a skeptic. I admit it.

[Týr]

 

 

So I kind of hold "implications" at arms length until they're proven. I'm a skeptic. I admit it.

 

I belive this is a very good way to view the HH and all speculations about is. This way you avoid the worst disapointments and are still able to be surprised in a good way.

[Warhamster Horus]

Possibly. But there was an entire thread where people thought A D-B implied that Sevatar became a Grey Knight because there was a statue of one of the Founding Masters in The Emperor's Gift that was described as having once been a Traitor or something like that and it had a chain-glaive.

So I kind of hold "implications" at arms length until they're proven. I'm a skeptic. I admit it.

As yes, I remember that thread. I'll admit I was one of those that supported the idea, mainly because the amount of evidence for it and the fact Aaron posted in the thread and didn't deny it.

 

As for you saying nono to the Curze vs Lion duel, I agree with you there but don't forget Sanguinius is there too. There's no reason Curze couldn't don a jumpack and have an aerial duel with Sangy while Mortarian and The Lion duel on the ground.

 

Another point of note is the two traitor primarch rumoured to be in this. Morty and Curze, perhaps the two primarchs most focussed on justice. I wonder if Curze and Mortarian are going to demand the Emperor's surrender. Hence ending the war without any further bloodshedand replacing the Emperor with Imperium Secundus where the primarch rule the galaxy together.

[Kol Saresk]

 

 

Possibly. But there was an entire thread where people thought A D-B implied that Sevatar became a Grey Knight because there was a statue of one of the Founding Masters in The Emperor's Gift that was described as having once been a Traitor or something like that and it had a chain-glaive.

So I kind of hold "implications" at arms length until they're proven. I'm a skeptic. I admit it.

As yes, I remember that thread. I'll admit I was one of those that supported the idea, mainly because the amount of evidence for it and the fact Aaron posted in the thread and didn't deny it.

 

As for you saying nono to the Curze vs Lion duel, I agree with you there but don't forget Sanguinius is there too. There's no reason Curze couldn't don a jumpack and have an aerial duel with Sangy while Mortarian and The Lion duel on the ground.

 

Another point of note is the two traitor primarch rumoured to be in this. Morty and Curze, perhaps the two primarchs most focussed on justice. I wonder if Curze and Mortarian are going to demand the Emperor's surrender. Hence ending the war without any further bloodshedand replacing the Emperor with Imperium Secundus where the primarch rule the galaxy together.

he didn't exactly support it either though. He just sort of did the "Well why couldn't he?" sort of thing. But I digress as it is off-topic.

 

True, it is entirely possible that Curze be involved and never even fight the Lion. That is a good point.

[Wade Garrett]

I'm perfectly okay with only certain writers being allowed to write certain Heresy era Legions, i.e. only Dan Abnett is ever allowed to use the Alphas in novels.

 

It might not have saved Deliverance Lost but...

[b1soul]

As a proud Scot.... I'm going to have to go with yes, he was British,, but he was specifically a Scottish hero

 

I really can't call him a "British" hero with a straight face

 

 

And Vengeful Spirit it's going to be the first SoH novel after Istvaan III

 

When was this novel announced?

[Kol Saresk]

It hasn't been announced per se so much as it has hit the rumor mills. Quite possibly it may have been announced at the Weekender but as having not been there, I can neither confirm nor deny.

 

The only books we completely one hundred percent know are being released are Vulkan Lives an Unremembered Empire, in that order.

 

EDIT: Grammar

[Jareddm]

I'm perfectly okay with only certain writers being allowed to write certain Heresy era Legions, i.e. only Dan Abnett is ever allowed to use the Alphas in novels.

It might not have saved Deliverance Lost but...

Abnett can have Alpharius, but for me Omegon did wonderfully in the hands of Rob Sanders.

[Carach]

whats with all the talk of mort/curze vs lion and sangy..

 

roboute's on the front cover, its in the heart of his empire.. where does he go off to?

[Cerbero666]

 

I'm perfectly okay with only certain writers being allowed to write certain Heresy era Legions, i.e. only Dan Abnett is ever allowed to use the Alphas in novels.

It might not have saved Deliverance Lost but...

Abnett can have Alpharius, but for me Omegon did wonderfully in the hands of Rob Sanders.

 

I'm with you, Rob Sanders did a great job in The Serpent Beneath. And for me the Alpha Legion in Deliverance Lost is not that bad. We got their point of views while they're infiltrating another Legion, and the way they communicate with each other and hide beneath the eyes of a damn Primarch, I think is insteresting enough. The lasts chapters could have been better, but well, there are far worse novels in the heresy. But of course Dan Abnett created the Alpha Legion personality and who better than him to give them some new novel and fluff.

 

By the way I think no one put on the table another potentially dangerous threat in Unremembered Empire, the Alpha Legion. Is a Dan Abnett novel, and the gathering of many of the loyalist primarchs and their legions, I bet that Alpharius have something to say about it. 

[Sevatar]

I hope they do, actually. I think Abnett is the only one (with Sanders) to write the Alpha Legion with credibility and skill - they were just silly in Deliverance Lost. I also have hopes he won't make them crazy-silly.

[Andystarscream]

It hasn't been announced per se so much as it has hit the rumor mills. Quite possibly it may have been announced at the Weekender but as having not been there, I can neither confirm nor deny.

 

The only books we completely one hundred percent know are being released are Vulkan Lives an Unremembered Empire, in that order.

 

EDIT: Grammar

By saying its a rumour and then saying the only books we know of are " Vulkan Lives an Unremembered Empire, in that order." you do deny.

Hmm hopefully the above doesn't sound rude and arsey.

I was at the weekender and can say for a fact that it was talked about, my favorite bit being the description of horus as kicking ass and takeing names, although its only just being written so its going to be awhile

[Kol Saresk]

Actually I was referring specifically to Vengeful Spirit. I can say the order for the other two books because Mark of Calth had Vulkan Lives as the next book in the series and since out of the other two titles, Unremembered Empire is the only one currently being hyped up, I could definitely say that for a fact, it had been announced as a release. I couldn't verify Vengeful Spirit so I, in good conscience, could say that it had been announced as I hadn't been there and so far I've only seen the one blog saying it. But that was before you posted just now saying that you had heard it there as well.

 

And to be fair, the conversation followed as

 

 

 

 

 

And Vengeful Spirit it's going to be the first SoH novel after Istvaan III

When was this novel announced?

Then I replied:

It hasn't been announced per se so much as it has hit the rumor mills. Quite possibly it may have been announced at the Weekender but as having not been there, I can neither confirm nor deny.

 

The only books we completely one hundred percent know are being released are Vulkan Lives an Unremembered Empire, in that order.

 

EDIT: Grammar

And I also found a spelling mistake too.........

 

Anyway, I did say that it had probably been announced at the Weekender and then I said that out of the three, the only two that could be confirmed beyond a doubt where Vulkan Lives and Unremembered Empire. I was not denying that Vengeful Son had been announced, just that I could not confirm the announcement.

 

But thank you for confirming its announcement.

 

EDIT: minor spelling

[Epistolary Exander]

I thought the NL were going to appear in ADB novel set after Prince of Crows.

 

Surely it would be a major strategic error by the traitors to strand 2 of their legions in Ultramar behind the Ruin Storm, as one the reasons it was created was to strand the UM behind it.

[Kol Saresk]

Lorgar and Angron were technically "stranded" in Ultramar when the Ruinstorm was fully manifested. That was when Lorgar revealed there were safe passages through it. In The Lion(which if I have read the timeline correctly, takes place after Unremembered Empire and before Prince of Crows), we see a Night Lords ship tracking the Invincible Reason through the warp, something that was supposed to be impossible unless some sort of trail was being left behind, so it is entirely possible that the routes and some special goodies were given out by Lorgar to help everyone get in and out of the Ruinstorm.

[Andystarscream]

Actually I was referring specifically to Vengeful Spirit. ....

-snip- :)

 

 

 

Ah you're right, sorry dude, bad time to post when tired.

If i remember rightly Its only just been started and is from the point of view of horus so we get to see his inner thoughts ect.

Although as its only just underway i'd still take it with a pinch of salt as authors can change their mind and come at a story from a totally different direction

[randian]

Actually I was referring specifically to Vengeful Spirit. ....

-snip-

If i remember rightly Its only just been started and is from the point of view of horus so we get to see his inner thoughts ect.

I hope that's what we get, Horus motivations have been too bizarre and childish for my tastes. Some insight into things would be good.