GW stopping producing all specialist games

[HJL]

yup, its true.

 

http://www.lounge.belloflostsouls.net/showthread.php?31223-While-Supplies-Last-Specislist-Games

[Growler67]

I didn't think they were still producing items for them.  I knew they barely supported them.  Bloodbowl got a slight bit of support but only because of the video/console/pc game, in my estimation.  Mordheim hasn't had support except for a couple of factions still having sprues available.  Except for archive stocks, I didn't think ANYTHING still existed for Necromnda.

 

Shame because there are some great bits in some of those lines for customization.  GW has also laid the hammer down on retailers that open models solely to part them out a bits.  THAT is what upsets me !!!!!

[Beachymike123]

in all fairness, i'm gutted for BFG. although i play necromunda, i use IG models if i want to play it and the rest have never really appealed to me (except for a brief incursion with Inquisitor, back in the day and all that). looks like i'm either gonna have to buy a few boxes at the end f the month (when i get paid, hope they'll still have a few by then) or scour ebay.

[Growler67]

Inquisitor wasn't realy supported IMO.  They only released a few models and stopped producing Weapons Packs and other customizing sets long long ago.  Truthfully, I would've been exstatic if they would produce Inqusitor scale minis to be used with Rogue Trader or Deathwatch for those tha wish to incorporate more "visual" into their RPGing.  Not to mention, customizing how their character looks as an extension of themselves represented in and during the game.  Maybe slightly larger than the 54mm Insuisitor scale.  Perhaps a FW quality 60-75mm model for those wishing to add the visual dimension to their gameplay.  Although, bugs would end up being HUGE during combat.....okay, 54mm would be okay.  Doesn't much matter anyway....GW never listens to it's fans, just it's lawyers and accountants.

[Grey Mage]

Most of us game with 28-32mm minis anyways... so I always thought inquisitor scale models were a bit out there.

 

But naw, Mordheim, Necromunda, etc have had alot of good models available to us for years.

[RADU LYKAN]

bfg and epic will be the most hurt, necromunda and mordheim models are easily replaced with other gw miniatures, inquisitor seems to be played at 28mm at least as much as 54mm if not more so again replaced by other gw miniatures.

[Kurgan the Lurker]

This shouldn't surprise anyone. Specialist Games has been dead for what..nearly a decade..in all reality. GW has just been going through left over stock. We all wax nostalgic for these games but how many of us are still playing them (let alone buying stuff for them) regularly?

 

Blood Bowl will be back in Sept. though as the "mystery box" game.

[Eddie Orlock]

... [H]ow many of us are still playing them (let alone buying stuff for them) regularly? ...

I played Epic two or three times a month for most of 2012 and expect to do so again in 2014 when I finish up north.

 

I saw Blood Bowl every weekend at the hobby shop with an active league.

[Octavulg]

GW was casting new stuff. You could tell because the molds were wearing (and some things switched molds - people were getting Blood Angels Rhinos for a while). BFG got new minis as recently as 2007.

 

Australia and the UK both have very active Epic communities, as do some parts of the US.

 

As to buying stuff - I bought Epic stuff from GW this past year, and would buy a lot more if the price on most of the things I want wasn't astronomical.

[Captain Idaho]

"Active" is subjective. Gaming clubs I've gone to and people at events I've spoken to generally don't play it. However a vocal minority do still play. However that minority obviously aren't enough to see GW continue supporting them.

 

For me, Epic would be, um, epic. I hope they revamp it at least through Forge World (same as BFG).

 

I do think Jervis Johnson ruined Epic. He built rules based on the successful BFG Andy Chambers made, and it killed the interest for me despite the great new models.

[Eddie Orlock]

"Active" is subjective. Gaming clubs I've gone to and people at events I've spoken to generally don't play it.

I think it's a bit like what I think's going on with the Hobbit, it's regional and only exists tangential to the interests of most folk who freaquent here. There just might no be a lot of overlap between the groups which make it underreported amonst us in anecdotal evidence.

 

I like to think that GeeDub has some business savvy, and they manage to sell it somewhere, so they keep producing it. They just don't localise the shops much, so to sell it anywhere they try to sell it everywhere.

 

My observation is that warhammer players generally barely conceal their contempt for lotr players, so the later would not want to be exposed to the former, so the former doesn't observe them and thus doesn't think they exist.

[Bongfu]

As a BFG player this sucks. I have a lot of friends that wanted to get into BFG but now they can no longer buy the models. 

[Octavulg]

"Active" is subjective. Gaming clubs I've gone to and people at events I've spoken to generally don't play it. However a vocal minority do still play. However that minority obviously aren't enough to see GW continue supporting them.

Oh, it's not nearly as healthy as 40K. But Epic's a lot healthier than Inquisitor.

I do think Jervis Johnson ruined Epic. He built rules based on the successful BFG Andy Chambers made, and it killed the interest for me despite the great new models.

If you're talking Epic 40K, that came out two years before BFG (and the fact that you prefer the byzantine, slow monstrosity that is Space Marine-era Epic makes me worry about you).

If you're talking Epic: Armageddon...it's nothing like BFG. You're drunk, and should take a nap.

[Grey Mage]

Im not drunk, but a nap sounds lovely. On topic conversation is even better....

 

Such as what do the epic players think of Netepic?

[Octavulg]

Varies from individual to individual, of course.

 

There are several organizations that do online updates of the Epic Armageddon rules, though. No need to regress into the Dark Ages just because the miniature lines are getting wound down (if you're suggesting all the Epic players should flee to NetEpic, that is).

[Grey Mage]

I never got into epic- the locals where I grew up did 'apocalypse' games in the backyard in the late 90s rather than buy a 2nd system of smaller minis... though BFG was a hit. *shrugs* So I wasnt aware that anyone would consider netepic the dark ages :p

 

What do **You** reccommend?

[Octavulg]

I like Epic Armageddon. It or NetEpic are the two with any real player base, and E:A has the advantage of a relatively modern rule system (including alternating activations. I love me some alternating activations). NetEpic is more fiddly. I despise fiddliness (quick, guess what I think of sixth edition!).

[horizon]

BFG will remain alive if the community can pull it. Even introducing new players should be possible.

[Grey Mage]

Thats why I bought up a couple extra fleets from 2nd party sources, topped off with a few hard to find bits from GW... in hope that other players locally will want to use them.

[Cmdr Shepard]

Few days ago I received the BFG ships I ordered: The 2 Cruiser set, an AdMech Battleship (it was actually one of the last AdMech ship GW had since the same day they shipped my order the model disappeared from GW site) a set of Cobra destroyer, the Chaos Iconoclast class pack and a Dauntless (Lance version). 

 

They are very nice models, especially the pastic Cruisers. I wish I had bought more BFG ships in the past.

 

Just a brief question: Do you have any suggestion for "substitutes" starships models?

I'm currently playing a Rogue Trader RPG campaign and I realized I may need more starships ;)

[Captain Idaho]

 

I do think Jervis Johnson ruined Epic. He built rules based on the successful BFG Andy Chambers made, and it killed the interest for me despite the great new models.

If you're talking Epic 40K, that came out two years before BFG (and the fact that you prefer the byzantine, slow monstrosity that is Space Marine-era Epic makes me worry about you).

 

If you're talking Epic: Armageddon...it's nothing like BFG. You're drunk, and should take a nap.

 

I remember the Epic edition which gave every unit Firepower rather than actual weapons. Jervis definitely made the comparison though I could be incorrect that he based one on the other, and complained it was too abstract which is why people didn't like it (it was in an article in White Dwarf).

 

Though admittedly it is possible he based Epic on BFG, because it was in playtesting for ages before release (I remember the rules in a WD).

[Octavulg]

That was Epic 40K, and abstraction was a common complaint (it is an exercise for the reader to determine whether complaining about abstraction in a 6mm scale grand strategy wargame is reasonable). Epic: Armageddon added some detail back in (though not that much), and updated other aspects of the design.

 

And the Epic 40K rules don't really seem anything like BFG either. They're closer than Epic Armageddon, but only in the sense that chess is closer to being Chinese checkers than it is to being cribbage.

[Captain Idaho]

I wasn't saying the rules are the same, I was saying the elements which were the same were unpopular.

 

Regardless; the abstraction killed it for my gaming group before I had a handful of games.