DuskRaider Posted May 9, 2013 Share Posted May 9, 2013 As I sit here painting my Deathshroud, a thought popped into my head... Do you suppose there were Loyalist Deathshroud, and would they have met their end on Isstvan III or perhaps in a more secret place? We aren't really sure of how many there are, and chances are there may have been some who would refuse to turn against the Emperor. How would this be dealt with? The first thought I had was they'd be sent down as a retinue for a Loyalist Death Guard Commander. Any thoughts? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/275192-loyalist-deathshroud/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Lorne Walkier Posted May 9, 2013 Share Posted May 9, 2013 No chance. 0. Zip. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/275192-loyalist-deathshroud/#findComment-3367434 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lorenzen Posted May 9, 2013 Share Posted May 9, 2013 agreed.. honestly i think its an oversight that they aren't solely available for traitor death guard.. but then theoretically you can take a loyalist mortarion as he doesnt have that restriction either... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/275192-loyalist-deathshroud/#findComment-3367441 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inquisitor Kravin Posted May 9, 2013 Share Posted May 9, 2013 I think that the Deathshroud were utterly loyal to Mortarion. Having said that. If you wanted them to be in a loyalist force I would say that they were undercover. They have in a sense died once already and I think that if Mortarion asked them to go to the surface if I3 and ensure that none of the loyalists survive they'd do that despite the risks. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/275192-loyalist-deathshroud/#findComment-3367450 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuskRaider Posted May 9, 2013 Author Share Posted May 9, 2013 It would be interesting to see how that would be dealt with, seeing as they're so secretive. I would assume some of them would be former Dusk Raiders, so there may be loyalty within the ranks. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/275192-loyalist-deathshroud/#findComment-3367519 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper Posted May 9, 2013 Share Posted May 9, 2013 They were all handpicked by Mortarion hismelf. Followed him and such. And we know none of them escaped with Garro. So no, no loyal Deathshroud. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/275192-loyalist-deathshroud/#findComment-3367528 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arachnid99 Posted May 9, 2013 Share Posted May 9, 2013 I always imagined the Deathshroud weren't former Dusk Raiders but drawn from those members of Mortarions army on Barbarus who survived the transition to Astartes. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/275192-loyalist-deathshroud/#findComment-3367558 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mysteriousmaskedmystery Posted May 9, 2013 Share Posted May 9, 2013 It's entirely possible there would be a Deathshroud member or members from Terra. They were selected for their fighting abilities, not their birth world and Mortarion was not planning treachery from the start was he? So when he first joined it's very, very likely his body guard was mostly made up of Terrans, and some of them would have survived, and possibly others would have been chosen over time as the Terran marines would have been the most experienced for a while at least. Also we know that the DG and other legions recruited from worlds other than their home world, so it is possible that people not from Barbarus would be picked later. But then the question is really, do you think that a Deathshroud from Terra would be less loyal than one from Barbarus after having been chosen by Mortarion himself, or, would Mortarion be more likely to mistrust a Terran Deathshroud and choose to cull his own? I think it's possible, but obviously you and I are in a minority on this board, so if you're putting it to a vote, it's likely to be a no. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/275192-loyalist-deathshroud/#findComment-3367584 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted May 9, 2013 Share Posted May 9, 2013 As I sit here painting my Deathshroud, a thought popped into my head... Do you suppose there were Loyalist Deathshroud, and would they have met their end on Isstvan III or perhaps in a more secret place? We aren't really sure of how many there are, and chances are there may have been some who would refuse to turn against the Emperor. How would this be dealt with? The first thought I had was they'd be sent down as a retinue for a Loyalist Death Guard Commander. Any thoughts?It's possible, but the odds are not in your favor. As Vesper said, the Deathshroud were handpicked by Mortarion and no one outside of the Primarch and the Deathshroud knew who they were. And as mysteriousmaskedmystery said, it is possible that Mortarion would have culled them personally. Ultimately, I think if a Deathshroud went "Loyalist" it wouldn't be for love of the Emperor so much as the love for their Primarch warring with the love for their brothers who they are being told to either kill or watch be killed. But that's just my personal opinion. We really don't know that much about the Deathshroud. The reality is, if you want to do it, then do it. We the people of BnC can say nay or yay all we want but either way it goes, it is your choice. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/275192-loyalist-deathshroud/#findComment-3367596 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuskRaider Posted May 9, 2013 Author Share Posted May 9, 2013 Oh, I'm not actually doing it per say. My Heresy Era force is thus far neither Loyalist nor Traitor, and I will probably create some Loyalist characters for Isstvan III and then Traitors from that point on. My Praetor is Loyalist in his background, but I'm also giving him Deathshroud bodyguards, so I suppose it's a bit of a concern. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/275192-loyalist-deathshroud/#findComment-3367619 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted May 9, 2013 Share Posted May 9, 2013 Go for it. It could be that this Loyalist is in a similar situation as Garro, Loyalist but questionable enough to be given the benefit of the doubt. And the Deathshroud can be his "watchers". Just an idea. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/275192-loyalist-deathshroud/#findComment-3367623 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuskRaider Posted May 9, 2013 Author Share Posted May 9, 2013 Good call. I've always been fascinated by the legendary Deathshroud, I hope we learn more about them as the story progresses. I just wish the models were wearing Cataphractii - Pattern TDA... can't have it all, I suppose. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/275192-loyalist-deathshroud/#findComment-3367626 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GodEmperorOfMankind Posted May 9, 2013 Share Posted May 9, 2013 What's to stop you modelling them that way though? Bit of a kitbash with the cata and deathshroud models could get you something like that. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/275192-loyalist-deathshroud/#findComment-3367694 Share on other sites More sharing options...
depthcharge12 Posted May 9, 2013 Share Posted May 9, 2013 Hell there's a possibility. Look at the veil of grief incident where some traitors refused to fire on their brothers and decided to fire upon their own, even wounding Mortarion in the process. I would look to that to base your force, however it was mainly artillery units that rebelled Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/275192-loyalist-deathshroud/#findComment-3367705 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted May 9, 2013 Share Posted May 9, 2013 Hell there's a possibility. Look at the veil of grief incident where some traitors refused to fire on their brothers and decided to fire upon their own, even wounding Mortarion in the process. I would look to that to base your force, however it was mainly artillery units that rebelled lol, I didn't even know that happened when I suggested what I did. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/275192-loyalist-deathshroud/#findComment-3367710 Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackoption Posted May 9, 2013 Share Posted May 9, 2013 Hell there's a possibility. Look at the veil of grief incident where some traitors refused to fire on their brothers and decided to fire upon their own, even wounding Mortarion in the process. I would look to that to base your force, however it was mainly artillery units that rebelled Armor technically. Mortarion had never been a fan of armor engagements. Most of the crews were still terran. So it might be possible from that angle. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/275192-loyalist-deathshroud/#findComment-3367754 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ezeriel Posted May 10, 2013 Share Posted May 10, 2013 Go for it, it's your army. Just make up a story for them. We don't know how many deathshroud they are, just that two are always within 49 paces of Mortarion. So who says a couple don't agree with betraying the emperor and quietly escape and join the loyalists. Weirder things happen in 40k. I'm making a count as deathshroud unit for my Dusk Raider army. Instead of scythes they're swinging pole axes. Still not sure if they're pre Mortarion or post FotE DG who take up the old legion name, but I'll figure that out when I finish them. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/275192-loyalist-deathshroud/#findComment-3367942 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mysteriousmaskedmystery Posted May 10, 2013 Share Posted May 10, 2013 if they were assigned to other commanders, they might have felt greater loyalty to them than to mortarion, or at least mortarion could suspect them of that and choose to play it safe and sentence them to death along with their commander. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/275192-loyalist-deathshroud/#findComment-3368012 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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