SW1 Posted May 15, 2013 Share Posted May 15, 2013 Got a tourney coming up in October and I'm stripping my old SW's and repainting them for it. A friend Lord Sondar mentioned the painting challenge going on here so I thought I'd have a look and it seems I could lend a hand to the Pack's total with what I need to get done anyway. I've got to come up with lists for the following games ... Game 1 : Mission 1 : Purge the alien : Deployment: Dawn of war : 2K points Game 2 : Mission 2 : The emperors will : Deployment: Hammer and Anvil : 1K5 pointsGame 3 : Mission 3 :The relic : Deployment: Vanguard strike : 1K Not really worked out lists yet though so need to get that done sooner rather than later. Any tips or ideas for list builds would be welcome as I've not played that much of this edition yet. I prefer to have a high body count and slog it across the board rather than use vehicles (I have plenty of them but they need stripping as well and don't think I've got time to get them stripped/fixed/repainted in time for October never mind the painting challenge). So I can see having 50 - 60 GH's in the 2k list. I'm guessing there will be a chunk of the units crossing over each list but there will be units which will not cross over and so I'll need 3k or more painted asap. Got a feeling I'll be before this is over. Will stick up some possible lists for your perusal and feedback before sticking up a painting pledge. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/275507-what-to-paint-up-for-etl-ii-army-selection-help-needed/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
SW1 Posted May 16, 2013 Author Share Posted May 16, 2013 I was thinking of the following for the "Game 1 : Mission 1 : Purge the alien : Deployment: Dawn of war : 2K points". Wolf Priest - Plasma Pistol, Saga of the Hunter ... 125pts 10 Grey Hunters - 2 Melta Guns, Power Fist, Mark of the Wulfen, Wolf Standard ... 205pts Wolf Guard - Frost Blade ... 38pts 10 Grey Hunters - 2 Melta Guns, Power Fist, Mark of the Wulfen, Wolf Standard ... 205pts Wolf Guard - pair Wolf Claws ... 48pts 10 Grey Hunters - 2 Plasma Guns ... 160pts Wolf Guard - TDA ... 33pts 10 Grey Hunters - 2 Plasma Guns ... 160pts Wolf Guard - TDA ... 33pts 10 Grey Hunters - 2 Plasma Guns ... 160pts Wolf Guard - TDA ... 33pts Rune Priest - TDA ... 120pts 6 Long Fangs - 5 Missile Launchers ... 140pts Wolf Guard - TDA with Cyclone Missile Launcher ... 63pts Rune Priest - Chooser of the Slain, Runic Armour ... 130pts 6 Long Fangs - 5 Missile Launchers ... 140pts Wolf Guard - Storm Bolter and Storm Shield ... 46pts 6 Long Fangs - 5 Heavy Bolters ... 115pts Wolf Guard - Storm Bolter and Storm Shield ... 46pts Total Points: 2,000pts Model Count: 79 Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/275507-what-to-paint-up-for-etl-ii-army-selection-help-needed/#findComment-3372673 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rune Priest Jbickb Posted May 16, 2013 Share Posted May 16, 2013 I like your list. It's really model dense and I think it will do well. My only comment is the guy with the two wolf claws, for the same points you can have a wolfguard in tda with a wolf claw and a power fist. This makes a more versital squad leader for challenges. With almost 80 boots on the ground I think this list will do quite well tho. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/275507-what-to-paint-up-for-etl-ii-army-selection-help-needed/#findComment-3372685 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SW1 Posted May 16, 2013 Author Share Posted May 16, 2013 Cheers for the feedback. I opted for the twin claws as I had the right number of points, there's an extra attack and it looks cool. Hmmm ... Not sure how to get the extra 5 points for the change though? (Edit: Just re-read and you mentioned same points if in TDA ... Doh!!!) I'm going to be using the 2 Njal models for the 2 different Rune Priests so on the pledge side I'll count them as the models they are for maximum points. I'll also be using Ulrik for the Wolf Priest so that'll be a healthy number of points off 3 models. They'll be stripped by the weekend so I can get them started. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/275507-what-to-paint-up-for-etl-ii-army-selection-help-needed/#findComment-3372887 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rune Priest Jbickb Posted May 16, 2013 Share Posted May 16, 2013 Both a pfist and a wolf claw are special weaponds, so you maintain the bonus attack as well :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/275507-what-to-paint-up-for-etl-ii-army-selection-help-needed/#findComment-3372897 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SW1 Posted May 16, 2013 Author Share Posted May 16, 2013 Both a pfist and a wolf claw are special weaponds, so you maintain the bonus attack as well So that's changed this edition? Though you had to have a pair of fists or claws to get the extra attack? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/275507-what-to-paint-up-for-etl-ii-army-selection-help-needed/#findComment-3372910 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rune Priest Jbickb Posted May 16, 2013 Share Posted May 16, 2013 No in 6th you must have 2 special weapons and that's it Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/275507-what-to-paint-up-for-etl-ii-army-selection-help-needed/#findComment-3372918 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SW1 Posted May 16, 2013 Author Share Posted May 16, 2013 No in 6th you must have 2 special weapons and that's it Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/275507-what-to-paint-up-for-etl-ii-army-selection-help-needed/#findComment-3372928 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SW1 Posted May 17, 2013 Author Share Posted May 17, 2013 I've put a call out for possible support from SW players from the forum I mainly frequent ... swchq.co.uk/swcforum. A lot have already got big armies but you never know any help will do. :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/275507-what-to-paint-up-for-etl-ii-army-selection-help-needed/#findComment-3373514 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SW1 Posted May 18, 2013 Author Share Posted May 18, 2013 Well I'm almost ready to start off the painting of my 1st Vow ... "Logan Grimnar, Njal Storm Caller (in Runic Armour), Njal Storm Caller (in Terminator Armour), Ragnar Blackmane and Ulrik the Slayer". I've pulled Logan and Njal in TDA out of my "to paint" box just need to drill some holes so I can mount them on wire to paint them. The other Njal, Ragnar and Ulrik are currently in a final bath of Dettol to get the last of the paint off them so I can make a clean start with them. I'm hoping once these have been started they should be finished quite quickly though I've not 100% decided on the exact shad of grey to use quite yet. I'm liking the older flat grey finish from the HH rather than the baby blue they've been seen in of late. May have to crack on with Ulrik first while I finalise which shade of grey paint I'll end up using. You'll notice I'm just 2 special characters short of full house. I'm not a great fan of the idea of Thunder Wolves so Canis isn't going to be making a show. However I've just located Bjorn so he'll be included in the 2nd Vow when I get to it. I was wanting to include a load of Grey Hunters and Long Fangs with the 1st Vow but a lack of enough shoulder pads is hampering plans. So they may be relegated to the 3rd vow depending on sourcing issues. I've also started to cast up bases for my army. I've had a lot of fun with this side of the hobby towards the end of last year and this year. Currently created these: http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee214/SW1-SWC/Casting%20Projects/Finished/140320132462_zpsf671a665.jpg I'll be adding more variety to the 40mm bases before the 1st vow is finished. The 4 I've currently got at the moment are not detailed enough for characters. I think the bases will be more brown/rusted and will have a brown rim rather than the silver/black finish the above ones have. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/275507-what-to-paint-up-for-etl-ii-army-selection-help-needed/#findComment-3374378 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SW1 Posted May 26, 2013 Author Share Posted May 26, 2013 Getting closer to completing my 1st vow, but a lack of the pads I want is hindering getting cracking with the models for the above list. Currently stripping the old paint job of literally 100's of SW's including some OOP metal Land Speeders, a few Dreads and plenty of metal TDA Wolf Guard. I've got a feeling these will be making up my 2nd vow if I don't sort out the pads in the next week. Really need to be able to do something toward getting the army done though. I'm also going to need to think about trying to tackle stripping a load of tanks at some point. Just need to get a big enough supply of Dettol. Think I'm going to need to locate somewhere that sells it by the gallon rather 750ml (the biggest I've currently managed to buy it in). I'm also going to need to upgrade the hand protection as I'm going through disposable gloves really fast as they keep ripping. I've already worked out a system of filtering Dettol so it can be reused minus the gunky old paint bits which in the long run will save quite a few £'s. I've also got to come up with decent armies for the other 2 games which will be: Game 2 : Mission 2 : The emperors will : Deployment: Hammer and Anvil : 1K5 pointsGame 3 : Mission 3 :The relic : Deployment: Vanguard strike : 1K The other thing I'm pondering about is tweaking the Long Fangs pack to include 1 or 2 Lascannons in the missile launcher packs. Not sure where I'll get the points from yet though. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/275507-what-to-paint-up-for-etl-ii-army-selection-help-needed/#findComment-3380651 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Sondar Posted May 27, 2013 Share Posted May 27, 2013 I'm looking forward to the Land Speeders. There isn't a sight finer that a properly pinned metal Land Speeder. If not properly pinned then there isn't much worse. Good luck. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/275507-what-to-paint-up-for-etl-ii-army-selection-help-needed/#findComment-3381397 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SW1 Posted May 27, 2013 Author Share Posted May 27, 2013 I'm looking forward to the Land Speeders. There isn't a sight finer that a properly pined metal Land Speeder. If not properly pinned then there isn't much worse. Good luck. Lol ... Watch it smash and crash if it's not stuck together well enough. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/275507-what-to-paint-up-for-etl-ii-army-selection-help-needed/#findComment-3381453 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Sondar Posted May 27, 2013 Share Posted May 27, 2013 We should have a house rule for that. Lol ... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/275507-what-to-paint-up-for-etl-ii-army-selection-help-needed/#findComment-3381469 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SW1 Posted May 27, 2013 Author Share Posted May 27, 2013 We should have a house rule for that. Lol ... Talking of house rules we need to get a game in at some point soon. I'm getting 40k withdrawal symptoms. Need to work out my smaller lists and tweak the larger list. :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/275507-what-to-paint-up-for-etl-ii-army-selection-help-needed/#findComment-3381491 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SW1 Posted June 6, 2013 Author Share Posted June 6, 2013 I've finally got the 40mm bases cast up from my original sculpts and I'm quite happy with the results. So I'm expecting to have the 1st vow completed by the end of the week. My old SW army is now 95% stripped and finally at the stage where I'm sifting through the models to put bak into units and get all the bits for the speeders and dreads together. I'm likely going to end up taking out a lot of none SW marines as the old great company was 400+ models and I can't see it being that big this time around. As I sort out units from the models I'll list them here with the total unit points values so I don't have to work it out on mass later. Models/units available (assembled ready to paint) for SW army, ETL entry: HQ: Ragnar - 240 points Ulrik (converted with same load out) - 180 points Wolf Lord (WC + PF + WTN + WTT) - 160 points Wolf Lord (Jump Pack + BP + FB + WTN + WTT) - 165 points Wolf Lord (WTN + WTT) - 115 points Rune Priest (TDA+ WTN + WTT + CotS) - 145 points Wolf Priest (TDA+ WTN + WTT) - 135 points Wolf Priest (Jump Pack + PP + Runic Armour + WTN + WTT) - 175 points WGBL (2x PF + WTN + WTT) - 135 points HQ Total: 1,450 points Elites: Iron Priest (BP) - 50 points Iron Priest (BG + WTT) - 55 points Wolf Guard - 1,304 points Arjac TDA (AC + SS) TDA (FA + SS) TDA (TH + SS) TDA (2x WC) TDA (CML + 2x WC) TDA (CML + SB + CF) 8x PA (2x WC) 2x PA (TH + SS) 2x PA (TH + SB) 1x PA (FA + SS) 1x PA (PP + CCW) Elite Total: 1,409 points Fast Attack: 10x Skyclaws (PF + PP) - 220 points Still needs to be finished assembling: 3x Wolf Lord (? + ? + WTN + WTT + TDA) - ? points Bjorn - 270 points Bjorn (TLLC) - 290 points 10x Wolf Guard (TDA + ? + ?) - ? points Venerable Dread (TLLC + ML + Extra Armour + WTT + TDA)- 235 points Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/275507-what-to-paint-up-for-etl-ii-army-selection-help-needed/#findComment-3388696 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sohail187 Posted June 6, 2013 Share Posted June 6, 2013 Sorry NOOB question. What does the TDA stand for? and why a single wolf guard after each GH unit. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/275507-what-to-paint-up-for-etl-ii-army-selection-help-needed/#findComment-3388704 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SW1 Posted June 6, 2013 Author Share Posted June 6, 2013 Sorry NOOB question. What does the TDA stand for? and why a single wolf guard after each GH unit. Don't worry I've got plenty of things I'm a complete noob on and I've been collecting for 20+ years. When people talk about tactics and start talking about MEQ's or TEQ's or whatever it is I'm completely lost. TDA - is short hand for Tactical Dreadnought Armour which is also know as Terminator Armour. PA - Power Armour RA - Runic Armour Listing the Wolf Guard after each unit just shows which units they are being assigned to. If I'm having a unit of Wolf Guard who will stay together I'd list it as a complete unit. :D If you have any other questions feel free to ask and I'll try to answer them. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/275507-what-to-paint-up-for-etl-ii-army-selection-help-needed/#findComment-3388709 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sohail187 Posted June 6, 2013 Share Posted June 6, 2013 So you can assign 1 wolf with various bits of gear to a standard GH pack. Didn't see any mentioning of this in the codex. and SW1 thank you :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/275507-what-to-paint-up-for-etl-ii-army-selection-help-needed/#findComment-3388711 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SW1 Posted June 6, 2013 Author Share Posted June 6, 2013 It's in the Wolf Guard entry. You can attach them to Blood Claw, Grey Hunter, Scout, Long Fang and Swiftclaw Packs. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/275507-what-to-paint-up-for-etl-ii-army-selection-help-needed/#findComment-3388719 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sohail187 Posted June 6, 2013 Share Posted June 6, 2013 ok i just read up on this in the codex, that really does give any GH unit a big fricking kick !! thats amazing Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/275507-what-to-paint-up-for-etl-ii-army-selection-help-needed/#findComment-3388722 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SW1 Posted June 6, 2013 Author Share Posted June 6, 2013 ok i just read up on this in the codex, that really does give any GH unit a big fricking kick !! thats amazing The big pay off is if you want to mount them in a rhino or drop pod as you have to drop a member of the pack to fit in the WG. This means you loose the free special weapon. If you're foot slogging them then it doesn't matter. :D I've started to foot slog a lot more now. :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/275507-what-to-paint-up-for-etl-ii-army-selection-help-needed/#findComment-3388725 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sohail187 Posted June 6, 2013 Share Posted June 6, 2013 instead of attaching 1 wg to each gh unit. Could you not just run on 5 man wg unit with a bit of kit and a drop pod? or do they generally not survive long enough to get into combat? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/275507-what-to-paint-up-for-etl-ii-army-selection-help-needed/#findComment-3388744 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SW1 Posted June 6, 2013 Author Share Posted June 6, 2013 It depends what else you have in the army. If I was going to have a single Drop Pod WG unit dropping in on the enemy side of the board unsupported it'll get 1 round of shooting out before getting shot to pieces. If you do the unit cheap and expect it to die for example 5 WG with combi-plasma it could be a sacrificial unit to take the heat from the rest of the army while they move up. Remember that a unit coming in via a drop pod can move 6" and shoot but can't assault the turn it arrives. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/275507-what-to-paint-up-for-etl-ii-army-selection-help-needed/#findComment-3388751 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sohail187 Posted June 6, 2013 Share Posted June 6, 2013 so in the codex it says 3-10 GH, and if you include 1 WG thats 11 units? or would you need to take 1 gh out to include 1 wg? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/275507-what-to-paint-up-for-etl-ii-army-selection-help-needed/#findComment-3388776 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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