GhostMalone Posted May 17, 2013 Share Posted May 17, 2013 Other than his small appearance in promethian sun he hasn't really been mentioned all that much in the fluff, I know about his discovery and istvaan and that were to receive more stories about the salamanders coming up. It's just coming across as he is a pretty useless primarch in my opinion. I've always found a connection to each primarch from the Khârn to alpaharius, but for some reason I just can't find a reason to care for the salamanders & it's starting to annoy me looking into legion backgrounds and the entire fluff regarding him. Has anyone else got this same opinion or is there something I'm missing? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/275581-vulkan-the-quietest-primarch/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aegnor Posted May 17, 2013 Share Posted May 17, 2013 I'm similar but in an opposite kind of way. I share your frustration that we haven't seen more of him and the fluff is so scarce. But I think from that little we've seen is awesome and I really like him. Pretty psych'd for the stuff coming up in the remainder of 2013. Also, the Khan would have to give him a decent run for the "most under-exposed Primarch" title. In terms of his actual personality, I think Ferrus Manus and Alpharius would be up there with him as Primarchs who weren't about be extroverted or the centre of attention outside their distinct role. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/275581-vulkan-the-quietest-primarch/#findComment-3373233 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostMalone Posted May 17, 2013 Author Share Posted May 17, 2013 But see that's the thing I have a problem with alpaharius and the khan have that secretive gets you intrigued aura around them. Vulkan just seems unintriguing. I get he flips a land raider with his bare hands but other than that I haven't felt an awe inspiring picture painted like with the rest of the primarchs. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/275581-vulkan-the-quietest-primarch/#findComment-3373241 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aegnor Posted May 17, 2013 Share Posted May 17, 2013 I can agree with that, but I blame BL for relatively neglecting him rather than the character himself. A similar example for me was Lorgar prior to The First Heretic and Betrayer, etc. There were only a few bits of fluff about him and from what I'd seen, I thought he was a boring, lame character. Now,ADB's work drew out the nuance and interest in that character very well, but I think Vulkan has the same potential from the little we've seen. I really hope they do the character of Vulkan (as I see him) justice in the coming books. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/275581-vulkan-the-quietest-primarch/#findComment-3373247 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostMalone Posted May 17, 2013 Author Share Posted May 17, 2013 See he's always portrayed as a soft hearted primarch I want the salamanders to be more than that. I want them to be portrayed like the creatures there named for. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/275581-vulkan-the-quietest-primarch/#findComment-3373253 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aegnor Posted May 17, 2013 Share Posted May 17, 2013 And the raw material is there to tell a great story in my view. Besides his humanity in a "save the civilians" kind of way, there's how that humanity interacts with some of the Imperium's more ruthless actions. There's his psychic abilities, manifested in his prophetic powers. How much of the future did he see and understand. How did his reaction to this foreshadowing differ from how Sanguinius and Curze reacted to their prophetic powers. There's the mutation of all his sons into daemonic looking figures with pitch-black skin and glowing red eyes and the fear and suspicion that caused. Especially in combination with his desire for himself and his legion to be close to humanity. The big one - there's the fact his legion got damn near annihilated by the traitors at Isstvan V. How do he and the legion come back from that? How does that event fit in with his prophetic powers? Did he see it coming? Did his powers of prophecy fail him? How does it affect his view of the role his legion should have post Heresy? I think there are lots of good hooks, and unlike some legions, a good author will have plenty of scope to decide how those questions play out. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/275581-vulkan-the-quietest-primarch/#findComment-3373265 Share on other sites More sharing options...
[TA]Typher Posted May 17, 2013 Share Posted May 17, 2013 The Lion was pretty quiet Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/275581-vulkan-the-quietest-primarch/#findComment-3373289 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostMalone Posted May 17, 2013 Author Share Posted May 17, 2013 The lion was quiet but that's because he's socially retarded. After all the forests of caliban aren't the best place to learn friendly banter. Jokes aside, the lion has been painted as a general a tactician a knight and one of the most accomplished primarchs, the fluff on him is solid whereas vulken disappeared to god knows where and we hardly know anything about him during the heresy, his legion got shattered we know he's alive but not if he is a captive in a labyrinth on nocturne or what he's going to or is doing we know he shows up to the codex debate where everyone's like wah! But that's it Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/275581-vulkan-the-quietest-primarch/#findComment-3373314 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badaboom Posted May 17, 2013 Share Posted May 17, 2013 This really made my day. Perturabo seems to be another weirdo when it comes to deal with social situations. The lion was quiet but that's because he's socially retarded. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/275581-vulkan-the-quietest-primarch/#findComment-3373434 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inquisitor Kravin Posted May 17, 2013 Share Posted May 17, 2013 I'd love to see more of Vulkan, as well as the Khan and Ferrus Manus (so far what little we've seen of FM as just made me think of him as an arrogant and callous jerk so given his fate I'd like to see him become a more well rounded and potentially sympathetic character). I think that there is potential, what you see as "soft-hearted" I see as struggling to balance the needs of the Imperium with a compassionate streak that is missing from most Primarchs. Given how much has been fleshed out around Corax despite his role in earlier fluff being basically, "Turns up at Istvaan, gets massacred, goes home and cries." I thinklook forward to reading more about Vulkan. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/275581-vulkan-the-quietest-primarch/#findComment-3373456 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareddm Posted May 17, 2013 Share Posted May 17, 2013 Perturabo spoke about a prison he built for a special prisoner. I have a strong feeling that Vulkan was captured from Istvaan alive by Horus's forces and is being held in this special prison. I feel Vulkan Lives will be about the remnent Iron Hands/Salamanders staging a rescue of Vulkan. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/275581-vulkan-the-quietest-primarch/#findComment-3373464 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaius Atticus Posted May 17, 2013 Share Posted May 17, 2013 IIRC he was fairly vocal against the Codex, and sided with Dorn and Russ (while Khan and Corax backed Guilliman's plans). Give it time. I think Vulkan will have his moments, just like we know Khan will. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/275581-vulkan-the-quietest-primarch/#findComment-3373481 Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveNYC Posted May 17, 2013 Share Posted May 17, 2013 I'd love to see more of Vulkan, as well as the Khan and Ferrus Manus (so far what little we've seen of FM as just made me think of him as an arrogant and callous jerk so given his fate I'd like to see him become a more well rounded and potentially sympathetic character). I think that there is potential, what you see as "soft-hearted" I see as struggling to balance the needs of the Imperium with a compassionate streak that is missing from most Primarchs. Given how much has been fleshed out around Corax despite his role in earlier fluff being basically, "Turns up at Istvaan, gets massacred, goes home and cries." I thinklook forward to reading more about Vulkan. You say that now. Just wait until the story turns out to be about 50% Alpha Legion related. I think Ferrus got the short stick from BL. One short story and now he's dead. And he was looking pretty derp-headed in the short story. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/275581-vulkan-the-quietest-primarch/#findComment-3373485 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareddm Posted May 17, 2013 Share Posted May 17, 2013 I'd love to see more of Vulkan, as well as the Khan and Ferrus Manus (so far what little we've seen of FM as just made me think of him as an arrogant and callous jerk so given his fate I'd like to see him become a more well rounded and potentially sympathetic character). I think that there is potential, what you see as "soft-hearted" I see as struggling to balance the needs of the Imperium with a compassionate streak that is missing from most Primarchs. Given how much has been fleshed out around Corax despite his role in earlier fluff being basically, "Turns up at Istvaan, gets massacred, goes home and cries." I thinklook forward to reading more about Vulkan. You say that now. Just wait until the story turns out to be about 50% Alpha Legion related. I think Ferrus got the short stick from BL. One short story and now he's dead. And he was looking pretty derp-headed in the short story. Ferrus Manus is characterized by proxy. Both Guilliman and Horus spoke of Manus with great praise, going so far as to consider him one of the best of them. Yet Manus did not see this in himself. Manus reminds me a lot of Conan, a great warrior, but when compared to The Lion, Sanguinius, or Guilliman, he sees himself as so much less than how others see him. It's an interesting dichotomy of views. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/275581-vulkan-the-quietest-primarch/#findComment-3373492 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badaboom Posted May 17, 2013 Share Posted May 17, 2013 I do have to agree that in the short story dedicated to Ferrus, he really was headstrong to the point of being idiot. When they fought the Diasporex, he also didn´t display the tactical talent of the superhuman general he´s meant to be. I really hope they addmore and better flesh to such an interesting and tragic figure. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/275581-vulkan-the-quietest-primarch/#findComment-3373587 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MordentHex Posted May 17, 2013 Share Posted May 17, 2013 Other than his small appearance in promethian sun he hasn't really been mentioned all that much in the fluff, I know about his discovery and istvaan and that were to receive more stories about the salamanders coming up. It's just coming across as he is a pretty useless primarch in my opinion. I've always found a connection to each primarch from the Khârn to alpaharius, but for some reason I just can't find a reason to care for the salamanders & it's starting to annoy me looking into legion backgrounds and the entire fluff regarding him. Has anyone else got this same opinion or is there something I'm missing? Speak softly and carry a very big hammer! ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/275581-vulkan-the-quietest-primarch/#findComment-3373633 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deus Imperator Vult Posted May 17, 2013 Share Posted May 17, 2013 I've got to admit I was never really interested in the Salamanders until I read the Tome of Fire books. Once you get into some of their lore they immediatly become more interesting to the point that they are probably my second favourite Chapter in M41. I realise as a character he has been largely ommited by the writers but I also think that's been important from a larger perspective. The fate of Vulkan was one of the big questionmarks over the heresy. Everyone knew Manus died and Corax's fate was shown quite early in the process of the heresy. I just hope we get an entire novel devoted to him and by that I mean not splitting the focus too much from Vulkan to other characters. I mean the Land Raider scene was amazing we need more of that! Him fighting dark Elder on Nocturne, meeting the Emp, the sheer amount of punishment he would have handed out before he was subdued. Also, I realise this is sort of judging the book by the cover, but the image of him for the cover of Vulkan lives is, to my mind, one of the best images of any of the Primarchs we've seen so far. Glory to Prometheus! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/275581-vulkan-the-quietest-primarch/#findComment-3373731 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Eremon Posted May 17, 2013 Share Posted May 17, 2013 I do have to agree that in the short story dedicated to Ferrus, he really was headstrong to the point of being idiot. When they fought the Diasporex, he also didn´t display the tactical talent of the superhuman general he´s meant to be. I really hope they addmore and better flesh to such an interesting and tragic figure. Well, you have to remember, those were meant to show Ferrus Manus as less capable. We've got a short story that reveals the weakness in deeming flesh weak, we've got a novella meant to show the differences between he and Vulkan but in a way to make Vulkan seem the better and a full novel meant to show the differences between he and Fulgrim but in a way to make Fulgrim seem the better. So far his portrayals have been when he is either disadvantaged or designed to show off his weaknesses, because they were in books that were about showing off the strengths of others. Ferrus Manus will get his time in the sun. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/275581-vulkan-the-quietest-primarch/#findComment-3373807 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apothecary Vaddon Posted May 18, 2013 Share Posted May 18, 2013 I do have to agree that in the short story dedicated to Ferrus, he really was headstrong to the point of being idiot. When they fought the Diasporex, he also didn´t display the tactical talent of the superhuman general he´s meant to be. I really hope they addmore and better flesh to such an interesting and tragic figure. Well, you have to remember, those were meant to show Ferrus Manus as less capable. We've got a short story that reveals the weakness in deeming flesh weak, we've got a novella meant to show the differences between he and Vulkan but in a way to make Vulkan seem the better and a full novel meant to show the differences between he and Fulgrim but in a way to make Fulgrim seem the better. So far his portrayals have been when he is either disadvantaged or designed to show off his weaknesses, because they were in books that were about showing off the strengths of others. Ferrus Manus will get his time in the sun. This is very true. Remember the outcry over Perturabo's comic book villain moment? Well, it was an IF story, and Alexis Polux was the hero. Perturabo suffered in that aspect. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/275581-vulkan-the-quietest-primarch/#findComment-3374052 Share on other sites More sharing options...
fission Posted May 18, 2013 Share Posted May 18, 2013 Hopefully "Scorched earth" and "Vulkan live " will answer to a lot of question . Perhaps the problem is that we can't have emotional ties to any salamnder . We need emblematic heroes , aside with the primarchs . Like Garro , Loken , Khârn , Erebus .... For the moment none of the salamnders characters gave me this emotion (except the primarch ) @ Aegnor : I don't remember any writing which said tha t Vulkan is a psyker. On the Nick Kyme's blog I asked him if we will have an answer to the question : If Vulkan seems to not be a psyker ( as said in Age of Darkness) how he managed to do his prophecies ? Do we will have answers in the next novel ? He answered perhaps .... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/275581-vulkan-the-quietest-primarch/#findComment-3374176 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aegnor Posted May 18, 2013 Share Posted May 18, 2013 I think all the primarchs had various psychic gifts that manifested in different ways. I don't think he was a psyker like a librarian or Magnus, but if he is seeing the future, its almost certainly via the Warp somehow, same as Nighthaunter. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/275581-vulkan-the-quietest-primarch/#findComment-3374187 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artein Posted May 18, 2013 Share Posted May 18, 2013 Also, the Khan would have to give him a decent run for the "most under-exposed Primarch" title. And Mortarion. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/275581-vulkan-the-quietest-primarch/#findComment-3374221 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChankTheLank Posted May 19, 2013 Share Posted May 19, 2013 Thank you for mentioning Mortarion. I have been impatiently craving a book that details Mortarion's perspective before Horus, Lorgar, or Erebus got to him. I am very curious to know exactly what motives or feelings persuaded and encouraged him to side with Horus and didn't feel like Eisenstein explained much of his perspective. Not quite sure why he loathes Magnus so much either... Here's hoping for a true Plaguemarine book (crosses fingers) Isn't the Khan covered in "Brotherhood of the Storm" at all? (Haven't read it yet) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/275581-vulkan-the-quietest-primarch/#findComment-3374696 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aegnor Posted May 19, 2013 Share Posted May 19, 2013 In a significant way, those limited number novellas don't count as most fans weren't able to get a copy. BL appears to have acknowledged this by moving away from limited number editions to limited time only editions. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/275581-vulkan-the-quietest-primarch/#findComment-3374710 Share on other sites More sharing options...
fission Posted May 19, 2013 Share Posted May 19, 2013 Perhaps we will know more in the next novel about Vulkan . I agree that primarch have somme tie with the warp , because in Promethean Sun we learn that Vulkan can sense the ressouces on a planet , but no word of sight of the future . Perhaps somethinf happen during the Heresy which show him the future ...will see. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/275581-vulkan-the-quietest-primarch/#findComment-3375000 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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