Xenith Posted May 17, 2013 Share Posted May 17, 2013 Hi all, I played a game of 1500pts last night vs DA, I just wanted to double check that the player could fit everything they did into this points level! 3X Land Raider crusaders, all with multimeltas 5 Deathwing Terminators, all with TH/SS 2X 10 man tactical squads Librarian, lvl1, power field generator Power armour Command squad, standard of devastation (makes bolters salvo 2/4) I am unaware of new points costs of DA, but if the LR and Tac squads are the same as C:SM, thats 1120pts right off the bat Banner sat in centre land raider, making each hurricane bolter sponson 12 shots (3x twin linked boltgun - they really need to redefine a hurricane bolter..). I lost horrifically to this (I was using a TAC Eldar list for the first time in 6th...): Its a powerful list, and my opponent was skilled in it's application and a nice guy, but doing a little mental maths today, something seems a little fishy. Is it a 1500pt list? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigGumbo Posted May 17, 2013 Share Posted May 17, 2013 I can't remember the costs of the command squad or PFG (I think it's 100 and 30 respectively, I don't tend to use them myself) but the rest tots up to 1,435 so he was probably a little over. An easy thing to miss is that the MMs are no longer free on our LRCs, so that's 30 points that he might have forgotten to account for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Avoghai Posted May 17, 2013 Share Posted May 17, 2013 With no wargear on the tactical squad I reach 1555pts Librarian : 95pts Command squad with standard : 165pts (no other wargear) 2 x tactical of 10 : 280pts DW Termi : 235pts (note that he was not allowed to replace the sword/storm bolter of the sgt according to the new FAQ) it's for a squad without any Heavy weapons 3 Crusaders with MM each : 780pts He may have done a little error when doing his list but note that if he drops the MM from the LRC and the Storm Shields he's perfectly legal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Tancred Posted May 17, 2013 Share Posted May 17, 2013 With no wargear on the tactical squad I reach 1555pts Librarian : 95pts Command squad with standard : 165pts (no other wargear) 2 x tactical of 10 : 280pts DW Termi : 235pts (note that he was not allowed to replace the sword/storm bolter of the sgt according to the new FAQ) it's for a squad without any Heavy weapons 3 Crusaders with MM each : 780pts He may have done a little error when doing his list but note that if he drops the MM from the LRC and the Storm Shields he's perfectly legal. Deathwing would be 240 pts, also Xenith was he using the Librarian in a LRC measuring the PFG 4++ from the hull? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryan Blaire Posted May 17, 2013 Share Posted May 17, 2013 3X Land Raider crusaders, all with multimeltas 5 Deathwing Terminators, all with TH/SS 2X 10 man tactical squads Librarian, lvl1, power field generator Power armour Command squad, standard of devastation (makes bolters salvo 2/4) I am unaware of new points costs of DA, but if the LR and Tac squads are the same as C:SM, thats 1120pts right off the bat It's not the same. Without any other equipment on the Tact squads, the 3 LRs plus those only comes to 1060 pts. Banner sat in centre land raider, making each hurricane bolter sponson 12 shots (3x twin linked boltgun - they really need to redefine a hurricane bolter..).There's no need to redefine, GW specifically said in the FAQ that the SoD specifically affects Hurricane Bolters. Redefining it wouldn't do anything, it would still be affected if it was three heavy bolters or something. Is it a 1500pt list?It's over 1500 by exactly the cost of the Standard of Devastation, but as was said, the DW Sgt couldn't take a TH/SS, so that would be five points back. Without the Multi-Meltas and the PFG, it would have been exactly 1500. And :ph34r: 'd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elphilo Posted May 17, 2013 Share Posted May 17, 2013 Banner sat in centre land raider, making each hurricane bolter sponson 12 shots (3x twin linked boltgun - they really need to redefine a hurricane bolter..).There's no need to redefine, GW specifically said in the FAQ that the SoD specifically affects Hurricane Bolters. Redefining it wouldn't do anything, it would still be affected if it was three heavy bolters or something. I'm really enjoying reading on the Internet that Hurricane Bolters shouldn't be 3 twin linked bolters. Its been like that for years and now that we got a cool new toy people want to take that away from us As to the list, according to Army Builder your opponent was about 60 points over. Seems like his math was off Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Avoghai Posted May 17, 2013 Share Posted May 17, 2013 Deathwing would be 240 pts, also Xenith was he using the Librarian in a LRC measuring the PFG 4++ from the hull? No. You can't give TH/SS to the sgt so it´s max 20pts of upgrades. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenith Posted May 17, 2013 Author Share Posted May 17, 2013 Thanks for the fast responses, guys! I had forgotten the DA tactical squad point drop. DW Termi : 235pts (note that he was not allowed to replace the sword/storm bolter of the sgt according to the new FAQ) it's for a squad without any Heavy weapons Reading this, I just remembered something, the 5 terminators he was actually using as Deathwing Knights, as opposed to the Normal terminator models that they were - The whole army had just ported over from Blood Angels, so was very...red. So the full list was: 3X Land Raider crusaders, all with multimeltas 5 Deathwing Knights (the Stormshield, two of us stand together and get +1 Toughness kind) 2X 10 man tactical squads Librarian, lvl1, power field generator Power armour Command squad, standard of devastation (makes bolters salvo 2/4) How many more points are the knights than regular terminators? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Avoghai Posted May 17, 2013 Share Posted May 17, 2013 So indeed it´s 235 pts for a squad of 5... He'll have to drop the PFG Which is now useless since it doesn't work anymore on the vehicle when the bearer is embarked. And with 2 tactical squads of 9 instead of 10. But I don't think it would have changed something to the result :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenith Posted May 17, 2013 Author Share Posted May 17, 2013 The result wouldn't have changed at all, I feel (Unless he was a bit less lucky with cover saves - not one failed on raiders for the entire game...) it was a brutal army. He was also aware of the FAQ on the power field, he got the libby out once or twice and hid behind a raider to give the raiders the invun. I just wanted to check the points added up, really, and it seems he was over by a bit. Swapping out the termies for normal deathwing and losing the PFG would have had no impact on the game. I'm really enjoying reading on the Internet that Hurricane Bolters shouldn't be 3 twin linked bolters. Its been like that for years and now that we got a cool new toy people want to take that away from us 28 Twin linked BS4 shots at 24" from a single tank is kind of brutal. You pay a lot of points for it, though, so it all works out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Tancred Posted May 17, 2013 Share Posted May 17, 2013 Deathwing would be 240 pts, also Xenith was he using the Librarian in a LRC measuring the PFG 4++ from the hull? No. You can't give TH/SS to the sgt so it´s max 20pts of upgrades. I know, but what your forgetting is that a DW squad is 220 pts base. I think your getting confused with the points from the last codex . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Avoghai Posted May 17, 2013 Share Posted May 17, 2013 It is? Mine says 215 o_O Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notmattlythgoe Posted May 17, 2013 Share Posted May 17, 2013 Definitely 220. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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