IA: Iron Saints

[Arkeus]

•  The Iron Saints are a Chapter founded after the Horus Heresy.
• They hold the Adeptus Mechanicus and the Emperor in equal reverance
• In an attempt to create an incorruptable chapter their emotions were controlled by implants , so that Chaos could not appeal to their fickle human desires and wishes - Similar principle to the incorruptability of servitors
• As a marine ages , the parameters for emotion control loosen , so marines have to "earn" their emotions , and arguably can have them when they are able to control them
• Midway through the chapter's crusades to reclaim planets lost during the Heresy , these implants were exchanged for newer models in recent recruits
• Upon reaturning to their homeworld , a rogue techpreist harnessed the defective newer models, hoping to gain a personal army of space marines. Understandably, brother turned against brother , until only a small cadre of veterans remained, having to fight tooth and blade with their younger brothers , slaughtering 60% of their own chapter. Subsequently the error of unsanctioned modifications proved itself. This was the "Automaton Cataclysm"

 

Not sure where to go from here....

[Gripharius]

I have to say that I really like the color scheme and the name. Kudos.

[XKhalilX]

 

 

•  The Iron Saints are a Chapter founded after the Horus Heresy.
• They hold the Adeptus Mechanicus and the Emperor in equal reverance
• In an attempt to create an incorruptable chapter their emotions were controlled by implants , so that Chaos could not appeal to their fickle human desires and wishes - Similar principle to the incorruptability of servitors
• As a marine ages , the parameters for emotion control loosen , so marines have to "earn" their emotions , and arguably can have them when they are able to control them
• Midway through the chapter's crusades to reclaim planets lost during the Heresy , these implants were exchanged for newer models in recent recruits
• Upon reaturning to their homeworld , a rogue techpreist harnessed the defective newer models, hoping to gain a personal army of space marines. Understandably, brother turned against brother , until only a small cadre of veterans remained, having to fight tooth and blade with their younger brothers , slaughtering 60% of their own chapter. Subsequently the error of unsanctioned modifications proved itself. This was the "Automaton Cataclysm"

Not sure where to go from here....

 

 

if there salamanders geneseed, they cant be second founding, no matter how badly you want the two to work. the salamanders were not large enough to hold any second founders. and really, what does being second founding hold in regards to the fluff? is it important or are you just wanting them to be "uber tough name prestige" and be second founders? if thats the case, its a bad reason. and many disagree with tylers opinion of DIY 2nd founders. id say its the majority opinion based on what ive read. and even if the possibility is there, due to the salamanders history, its a physical impossibilty to be a 2nd founder from salamanders. due to official GW fluff and what the sallies went through during the horus heresy.

 

if you want them to be old with history, then make them old but keep in mind also the fluff of the salamanders in mind. they cant be basically 2nd or 3rd founders under vulkans geneseed. the salamanders were too devastated and depleted from the dropsite massacre and casualties in the Horus Heresy to hold any founders in the second, and were rebuilding into the 3rd. make them 4th or 5th and they are plausible as salamanders successors. Make them 6th or later, then they are definitely workable.

 

only one chapter is incorruptible and that is the grey knights. and that is due to a highly secretive special circumstance which no other chapter benefits from. they can be more equipped to handle temptations from chaos, but 100% incorruptible? definitely not. It would be better to say that the chapter relies heavily on chaplains to enforce faith and loyalty. perhaps you have more then one chaplain per company to further embed said belief in the Imperium.

 

you could state there has been few cases of brothers falling to chaos. you could say a brother hasnt fallen in X amount of years. Is that the truth? maybe, maybe not. The chaplains could easily tell the chapter at large they are purer then what is actually true. perhaps they say its been a 1000 years since a brother fell to chaos, when in fact a brother or two have fallen during past 200 years. the librarium and reclusiarch can easily fudge the truth to benefit the chapter as a whole.

 

The chaplains of my Angels of Expurgation claim its been 750 years since a brother fell to chaos. Do the average rank and file brother believe them? sure, its their chaplains telling them this. Does the Inner Circle and other Unforgiven Inner Circles believe them....LOL.its called indoctrination for a reason :-)

 

secondly, you dont want them programmed mentally like a servitor haha :-) they would be mindless drones.

 

earning their emotions through implants? not sure where your going with it. definitely needs to be explored in more detail.

 

as for chapter civil war. if thats the case and brother turned against brother, then that means some of the chapter were in fact corruptible, and you contradict yourself in saying they are incorruptible.

 

not trying to be a badger, just trying to help u fine tune and bring your ideas to not make them superman marines in comparison to the other 999 chapters.

[CantonWC]

Some general observations thus far:

 

For the most part I will agree with Brother Tyler. Way back in the days of yesteryear, it was generally regarded as taboo to make a 2nd Founding Chapter, since most of the 2nd Founding Chapters were written in and accounted for. Making a 2nd Founding Chapter was/is generally regarded as an easy/lazy way to say "My Chapter is so awesome" because the earliest members would be direct participants in the Horus Heresy, rub shoulders with Primarchs, etc.

 

Nowadays there is a recent lore retcon whereby enough Space Marines survived the Heresy to create about 400 Chapters in the 2nd Founding. So now it is a bit more plausible to claim a 2nd Founding, but speaking for myself, I would still frown upon it for the above reasons.

 

A 2nd Founding Salamanders Chapter, if that is your intention, is unlikely or impossible. They were one of the smallest or the smallest Legion, and they got hit bad at Istvaan. 3rd Founding (1,000 years after the Heresy) should be fine.

 

Not going to directly address your latest information. It can take me a while to wrap my head around new Chapter concepts.

 

You said before that you picked Salamanders because they are modest and humble, but I can't see where modesty and humility fit in when the Chapters strips emotions away from the aspirants.

 

The specifics of the Cult Mechanicus elude me at the moment, but in general it is not a loving and compassionate creed; you cannot expect much more out of super logical people who mechanize themselves and prioritize technology over people. So again I ask you how close you want to be to the Mechanicus, whether or not the Chapter accepts the Machine Cult and how much of it they accept, because these things may directly conflict with the compassionate teachings the Salamanders may leave to a Successor.

[Arkeus]

The Iron Saints are a 3^nd founding chapter of the Salamanders, with strongly rooted beliefs in the unison of man and machine.
Throughout the course of humanity, mechanisms or every kind, along with tools, have helped it advance. The Omnissah has always been there.

Human will combined with the power of these devices has brought mankind to the pinnacle of it's species, culminating in the Imperium

as it was during the Great Crusade. The Heresy that followed taught the Imperium that even the greatest men can fall from glory,

and that the most holy of relics can wreak unimaginable terrors upon those they sought to protect in bygone millennia.

The chapter was brought into existence after the heresy to replenish the depleted fighting force of the
Imperium. They were founded under a principle of humility and caution, that in their reverance of both

Omnissah and Emperor they might not fall to Chaos as those who worshipped either in the extreme had done,

but also that in respecting those men and women of the imperium as their father chapter did, their homeworld's

people might hold fast to the emperor's light when it grew dim. What initially began as a chapter fueled by a balance

of emotion and cold-minded killing soon fell to the latter however, as neural implants within many veteran brethren began

to malfunction , one of the chapter's greatest traitors harnessing this error to turn brother against brother and nearly tear
the chapter apart from it's very core. His name was Arlos.

Now in an attempt to hide any evidence of this event, known within the chapter as the “Automaton
Cataclysm” , it’s crusades serve a similar purpose to those within the Dark Angels, that they might hunt

their own fallen and remove any trace of their disobedient errors in their past. Indeed the chapter’s links

to the Adeptus Mechanicus also allow it to hunt on their behalf for relics of great technological importance,
in exchange for impressive wargear of the highest quality.

 

[Arkeus]

Made some changes :)

[XKhalilX]

comparing the "Hunt for the fallen" even if its their own fallen sounds a bit cliche. if they were DA it would make sense. it just sounds like a lazy writing mechanism

[Conn Eremon]

You could remodel the hunt into something different. Instead of an ongoing pursuit, its your Chapter's individual Penitence Crusade. Its not hidden, like with the Dark Angels. All know it (well, not all all. All those 'in the know'). You're either in the midst of it and this whole thing was recent, or it was in the past and your Chapter has already overcome it or has been overcome by it. Going with the former lets us know what your Chapter is doing right now. Going with the latter lets us know something very important that has likely had a profound affect on the Chapter.

[Arkeus]

Thankyou Cormac Airt, that's perfect!

[Uberlord Gendo]

Could go with Raven Guard, actually.

[i've been messing around with an organization that pulls from Raven Guard chapters (amongst others)]