Colour schemes of support marines?

[spu00sed]

I was wondering about the colours of support marines.

 

Would librarians, tech marines, apothecaries, chaplains and the such still wear the colours of their legion, or would they wear the colours of their roles?

 

Betrayal shows an emperors children apothecary in whit (platinum?) and purple so it might be possible that some of them have some sort of secondary colour scheme.

 

What about the other specialists? Would they have their own colours, or just different equipment?

 

Thanks for the help

[blackoption]

I myself have wondered about this topic.  From what I can tell, it is legion specific on some of the cases, but there are some general patterns.

 

Apothecaries incorporate white (at least the shoulderpad with the helix)

Chaplians/wardens had a dark grey/black armor.

 

I cannot say for certain regarding techmarines, but I find it likely that they had a Red shoulder pad with the mechanicum cog minimum.

 

As for the librarians... I cannot identify any universal pattern for the legions in this. But here are some confirmed details

 

The Thousand sons had different markings for which cult their librarians practiced.

The (remaining) World Eaters Librarians kept the Warhound colors and heraldry.

Alpha Legion Librarians did not wear anything to mark them out from the rank and file (but this is an AL practice for all ranks)

 

I honestly do not believe the use of blue to mark out a Librarian happened until after the Codex Astartes was adopted. 

 

TL;DR version

It probably depends on which legion you are talking about, but it is likely the legion colors were primary with the specialist colors added to it.

[Conn Eremon]

I think the safest route would be to have the right pauldron be in the specialist's colors, the left be the Legion Badge and the rest in Legion colors.

[DuskRaider]

Depends on the Legion. All Death Guard Specialists would wear the same armor scheme as the rest of the Legion, as all Legionnaires were required to know all roles, so one battle they may be a Melta gunner in A Specialist squad, the next they may be a Breacher, and the next a Tactical Marine, etc.

[Blindhamster]

Depends on the Legion. All Death Guard Specialists would wear the same armor scheme as the rest of the Legion, as all Legionnaires were required to know all roles, so one battle they may be a Melta gunner in A Specialist squad, the next they may be a Breacher, and the next a Tactical Marine, etc.

not quite the same thing... not all legionnaires are trained to be apothecaries, techmarines, librarians, chaplains/wardens etc. It's quite a distinction from comparing tacticals to assaults to breachers etc. 

[DuskRaider]

When I see "Specialist" or "Support", I think of the actual unit. As far as Apothecarion, they'd probably have left pad red, armor white as the rest of the Legion. Librarians were non-existent. Chaplains MAY have black, but not all Legions adopted the practice of Chaplaincy. Techmarines would probably have a red shoulder pad, but honestly the Legion didn't believe in much distinction.

[The4thHorseman]

Some of the Rare Info I have Collected in my Rogue Trader Pile. Granted it is Rogue Trader so take it for what you will.

 

 

[Kol Saresk]

The only problem I'd see with that is that they're all 40K color schemes :teehee:

 

That being said, maybe we're thinking too hard by thinking that the color schemes have to be different from their 40K counterparts. We all know from Betrayal that before the Primarchs, the only differences in between the Legions were their heraldry and their personality. They were virtually all organized the same way. Possibly, this would mean that there also used to be a universal identification system so no matter what Legion you were from, you could tell who's an officer, an apothecary, a librarian and a techmarine.

 

We know that the Terran Organization had the Legions divided into Chapters of 1,000 Marines which were further divided into Companies of 100. The Codex Astartes broke the Legions down into Chapters. Each Chapter was supposed to be 1,000 Astartes divided into Companies of 100.

 

So maybe the Codex bore more similarities with the Terran Organizations rather than just Ultramarines enforcing uniformity.

[blackoption]

I tend to agree with Kol for the most part.  But there is still a lot of variation even among the 18 legions when it comes to the details on how they do things. My question for the OP is which legion are you specifically asking for? The personality of the legion will dictate what heraldry (if any) are used for the specialist Consul ranks.

[depthcharge12]

Aaaah! Aaaaah squats! PURGE PURGE!

 

...where's a retcon when you need one?

 

 

As for useful info I saw in the betrayal book the picture schemes for the SoH who seemed to paint their right pauldron and greaves black for heavy weapons support whether as a marine or dread.

 

I think I also remember the hazard chevrons on him as well, but dont take that as gospel till I take another peek

[Kol Saresk]

I tend to agree with Kol for the most part. But there is still a lot of variation even among the 18 legions when it comes to the details on how they do things. My question for the OP is which legion are you specifically asking for? The personality of the legion will dictate what heraldry (if any) are used for the specialist Consul ranks.

Very true. I was just thinking it may provide a basis as where to start was all. But yes, finding out which Legion could really help out.

[DuskRaider]

Ultimately, it comes down to your own interpretation. Each Legion may have a different Specialist scheme for each Company. Perhaps a First Company Chaplain wears all black armor, but a Fourth Company only has a black shoulder pad and gauntlet or helm. Work with your Legion history and scheme as it stands, then go from there.

[mysteriousmaskedmystery]

i think a lot of these sorts of issues were intentionally left vague by FW.  because in 40k, if you don't like the way something is painted/organized, you can just make your own army/chapter whatever up and do as you like.  in the HH there are 18 legions, period, so if they are too specific they sort of shoehorn people into designs they might not be totally pleased with.

[Darog]

Those who were on the HH weekend wrote that color of specialists as Apothecary, stayed the same, but they paint a shoulder pad, not the whole armor, no special colors for specialist and support troops, in general, everything is written in the forgeworld book. 

[facmanpob]

Descent of Angels and Fallen Angels both describe Dark Angel Librarians as having black (i.e. normal) coloured armour, with blue robes over the top.