Chris Hadden Posted May 30, 2013 Share Posted May 30, 2013 So I'm a huge HH guy, love everything about it. However I'm a blood angels player through and through. I've been trying to build my Horus heresy Blood angels force in hopes of having a good force painted and together by the time our book comes out... Admittedly quite a while away. Here's my question... Do you think they are going to change the overall legion troops and vehicles? I have a Land Raider Achilles and a Storm Eagle that I'm using exclusively for HH since they can't be taken by Blood Angels. Any speculations? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/276193-blood-angels/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
mysteriousmaskedmystery Posted May 30, 2013 Share Posted May 30, 2013 i think eventually they will have updated lists, but i think that you will still be able to use the blood angels rules with the earlier lists, since this first list represents a later great crusade space marine force, as much as it does and early horus heresy list. the later lists will represent the legions at different points during the heresy. although this is all speculation on my part, maybe someone else knows more for sure though. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/276193-blood-angels/#findComment-3383188 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coopervisor Posted May 30, 2013 Share Posted May 30, 2013 I'm also focused on BA for my Heresy list. I've gone with the aim of using the Rite of War: Angel's Wrath in the Betrayal book. I plan on adding a unit at a time which fits the fast/strike force theme. I've started by getting 2x 10 man assault squads with jump packs and a 5 man destroyer squad (+ Moritat) with jump packs. Next up is a Praetor on jetbike leading a command squad on jetbikes (mucho points). Then possible some land speeders once the FW version is released. I'm then hoping that by the time the BA are in a book, i can just add a couple of charecters/units and should be good to go. One of the benefits of BA I've found is that although FW haven't produced anything for them yet, the GW Sanguinary Guard and Death Company sets have plenty of BA "bling" to mix with the FW legion marines. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/276193-blood-angels/#findComment-3383331 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Sondar Posted May 30, 2013 Share Posted May 30, 2013 I started out to create a Heresy Blood Angels force but before Betrayal was released, infact before we even knew it would be, as a result my squad sizes and weapons allocations are all wrong. They have migrated their way to a 40k BA force for now though I will make the changes to use them for 30k at some point. I don't see any problem with using the legion list from Betrayal. There will be a few oddities when Forge World get round to the BA legion. Do they have access to Baal predators, storm ravens and lucifer engines that early? I'm not sure they do. You can be certain there will be jump packs and chain axes in use but interms of vehicles I'm not sure. Can anyone provide some hard dates and sources for BA specific vehicles? I should be able to dig some out when I'm at home later. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/276193-blood-angels/#findComment-3383433 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonaides Posted May 30, 2013 Share Posted May 30, 2013 Well, the Baal STC was discovered during the Great Crusade (C:BA/C:AoD), so that ought to be available in a Heresy list (quite how they'll do the assault cannon mount onto a Demios-style predator hull should be interesting since it'll essentially recreate the old 3rd ed Baal model). Storm Ravens exist (and are not new vehicles to the marines) in Flesh of Cretacia which is set soon after the Scouring, so I'd expect them to be available in HH period. Lucifer engines - depending on which fluff you want to follow it might be available (as a cross-design from the Baal or as a development during the 2nd Armageddon war). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/276193-blood-angels/#findComment-3383440 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Sondar Posted May 30, 2013 Share Posted May 30, 2013 Thanks Leonaides. That clears up the current crop of vehicles. In answer to Chris's original question, regarding the Land Raider Achilles and Storm Eagle, I would think their inclusion is a safe bet. If it's in Betrayal I think it will be a option for any future BA list. The only unit I'm not sure fits with the BA is the destroyer squad. Sanguinius and his scions had a very optimistic ideal that the human race could better itself. Destroyers and the illicit weapons they have at their disposal are at odds with that ideal in my mind. It's not that I don't think the legion would have them in it's arsenal, I just don't think they be often used, a weapon of last resort, if you will. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/276193-blood-angels/#findComment-3383456 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuskRaider Posted May 30, 2013 Share Posted May 30, 2013 Forge World has stated that the list from Betrayal is the bare bones Legion list and options for every single Legion. Each Legion will have some special units or vehicles and their Primarch, Legion rules as well. But what's on there is up for grabs. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/276193-blood-angels/#findComment-3383497 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The4thHorseman Posted May 30, 2013 Share Posted May 30, 2013 The only unit I'm not sure fits with the BA is the destroyer squad. Sanguinius and his scions had a very optimistic ideal that the human race could better itself. Destroyers and the illicit weapons they have at their disposal are at odds with that ideal in my mind. It's not that I don't think the legion would have them in it's arsenal, I just don't think they be often used, a weapon of last resort, if you will. I would tend to Agree with this as well Given that Baal was basically Destroyed via those same exact weapons, ie Rad and Chem type munitions. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/276193-blood-angels/#findComment-3383516 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coopervisor Posted May 30, 2013 Share Posted May 30, 2013 The only unit I'm not sure fits with the BA is the destroyer squad. Sanguinius and his scions had a very optimistic ideal that the human race could better itself. Destroyers and the illicit weapons they have at their disposal are at odds with that ideal in my mind. It's not that I don't think the legion would have them in it's arsenal, I just don't think they be often used, a weapon of last resort, if you will. I would tend to Agree with this as well Given that Baal was basically Destroyed via those same exact weapons, ie Rad and Chem type munitions. I did think this, but I decided in fluff terms, they'd be terran born marines so don't have the same link to the rad polluted Baal moons. They're meant to be outcasts in most legions anyway, but could still be called on against dangerous foes (Planet Murder?) My main reason behind getting them is that, apart from assault squads and command squads, they're the only other unit capable of becoming jump infantry. As I wanted a jump/skimmer based force it added a bit of variation to the regular assault squads. I am hoping that one of the BA unique things will be better options for apothecaries as currently they cannot be given jump packs / jet bikes. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/276193-blood-angels/#findComment-3383561 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Sondar Posted May 30, 2013 Share Posted May 30, 2013 @ Coopervisor. I totally agree about the apothecaries. I had to read that twice to be sure they could take jump pack. Fluff wise I remember Sanguinius set-up the Sanguinary priesthood before his death as he had psychic visions of the future and saw the need for them. I would be totally plausible to have Sanguinary priest and Sanguinary Guard in a Heresy era legion. As a quick recap we are looking at: Sanguinary Guard Sanguinary Priests Baal Predators/Lucifer pattern engines (though I think these might not be reverse engineered until later) Storm Ravens And anything that is available in Betrayal Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/276193-blood-angels/#findComment-3383586 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mysteriousmaskedmystery Posted May 30, 2013 Share Posted May 30, 2013 no sanguinary priests are needed, you already have apothecaries and there is no real red thirst yet, so i don't expect them to get the FC bubble in 30k. also, the main point of the sanguinary priests being special is that they preserve Sanguinius' blood, but since he's still alive at this point, there is no reason from them to be any different from another legion's apothecarion i don't know about storm ravens. they are making 30k versions of everything in betrayal, from heavy bolters, to rhinos and land raiders. i don't think they'll do a resin storm raven, or cross over to put a 40k unit in their books. i hope that we get to see a good number of their characters in miniature form though. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/276193-blood-angels/#findComment-3383707 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coopervisor Posted May 30, 2013 Share Posted May 30, 2013 no sanguinary priests are needed, you already have apothecaries and there is no real red thirst yet, so i don't expect them to get the FC bubble in 30k. also, the main point of the sanguinary priests being special is that they preserve Sanguinius' blood, but since he's still alive at this point, there is no reason from them to be any different from another legion's apothecarion i don't know about storm ravens. they are making 30k versions of everything in betrayal, from heavy bolters, to rhinos and land raiders. i don't think they'll do a resin storm raven, or cross over to put a 40k unit in their books. i hope that we get to see a good number of their characters in miniature form though. Needed in fluff? I agree, not really. Needed in game? Definitely. Not being able to have that FNP on assault troops really hurts. Wardens could be another BA only unit, but i don't see them offering that can't be done with a Chaplain Centurion. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/276193-blood-angels/#findComment-3383827 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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