irwit Posted May 31, 2013 Share Posted May 31, 2013 Lo all Just been looking at all the new "sneak peeks" of the new codex and it looks pretty nice! Just wondering what everyone thinks? I for one am really hoping to get my TH SS lone wolf in cc with a wraithknight. Should be a good laugh!!! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/276267-new-eldar-codex-how-do-we-fair-up/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Friz 80 Posted May 31, 2013 Share Posted May 31, 2013 If it is anything like the new tau book, it will be a tough match-up. In my opinion, but almost all the new hardback books seem over powering. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/276267-new-eldar-codex-how-do-we-fair-up/#findComment-3384420 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greylocke Posted May 31, 2013 Share Posted May 31, 2013 I think we'll eventually match up well. Every new dex is hard when it first comes out cause we're dealing with new stuff. Eventually you pick out the tricks and forces to beat it. The first thing I learned wargaming is never get too in love with your own force structure. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/276267-new-eldar-codex-how-do-we-fair-up/#findComment-3384426 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultionis Lupus Posted May 31, 2013 Share Posted May 31, 2013 shucks? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/276267-new-eldar-codex-how-do-we-fair-up/#findComment-3384486 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rums Posted May 31, 2013 Share Posted May 31, 2013 by russ's beard why would you do that? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/276267-new-eldar-codex-how-do-we-fair-up/#findComment-3384504 Share on other sites More sharing options...
irwit Posted May 31, 2013 Author Share Posted May 31, 2013 Is it not more that the new non marine books are pretty hard? Although I have read a lot about that helldrake being a real issue I think elder seem to have an awful lot of ap3 which would obviously be a big problem for marine dexs Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/276267-new-eldar-codex-how-do-we-fair-up/#findComment-3384519 Share on other sites More sharing options...
skeletoro Posted May 31, 2013 Share Posted May 31, 2013 Not just AP3, but rending too. On jetbikes. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/276267-new-eldar-codex-how-do-we-fair-up/#findComment-3384541 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Friz 80 Posted May 31, 2013 Share Posted May 31, 2013 I heard the wraithknight is something crazy like S 10 T8. Wow! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/276267-new-eldar-codex-how-do-we-fair-up/#findComment-3384559 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimtooth Posted May 31, 2013 Share Posted May 31, 2013 I am just thinking that with a power axe in a GH pack, MoW, wolf standard, and the rest of the pack throwing krak grenades, the WK might not be too bad. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/276267-new-eldar-codex-how-do-we-fair-up/#findComment-3384569 Share on other sites More sharing options...
skeletoro Posted May 31, 2013 Share Posted May 31, 2013 Isn't it one krak per pack? Oh, wait, you mean in CC? Never mind. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/276267-new-eldar-codex-how-do-we-fair-up/#findComment-3384594 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rift Blade Posted May 31, 2013 Share Posted May 31, 2013 Yeah, the new Eldar book will change a lot of things but like it has been said, we will just have to learn to the in's & out's. THe biggest issue marine players of any stripe will have to contend with will be the Dark Reapers. Their Range Finder nullifies jink saves, they are still AP3 AND their squad size has been increased to up to 10. Wriath Blades are another concern but I want to see a little more about them. They're Wraith Guard equipped for CC. Yes the Wraith Knight is S10 & T awesome but it's also enormous. Good luck on trying to get cover saves. THe bloody sword it comes with is slightly longer then a Rhino(we compared it last night). Anyways, interesting times ahead Brothers & Sisters. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/276267-new-eldar-codex-how-do-we-fair-up/#findComment-3384614 Share on other sites More sharing options...
irwit Posted May 31, 2013 Author Share Posted May 31, 2013 Yeah, the new Eldar book will change a lot of things but like it has been said, we will just have to learn to the in's & out's. THe biggest issue marine players of any stripe will have to contend with will be the Dark Reapers. Their Range Finder nullifies jink saves, they are still AP3 AND their squad size has been increased to up to 10. Wriath Blades are another concern but I want to see a little more about them. They're Wraith Guard equipped for CC. Yes the Wraith Knight is S10 & T awesome but it's also enormous. Good luck on trying to get cover saves. THe bloody sword it comes with is slightly longer then a Rhino(we compared it last night). Anyways, interesting times ahead Brothers & Sisters. Aegis defence line and that wraithknighht is laughing :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/276267-new-eldar-codex-how-do-we-fair-up/#findComment-3384656 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roma Posted May 31, 2013 Share Posted May 31, 2013 If its t8 and 2+ save, killing it would be unrealistic, hopefully it costs more that 315 points, or isn't very powerful so you can ignore/tarpit it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/276267-new-eldar-codex-how-do-we-fair-up/#findComment-3384698 Share on other sites More sharing options...
skeletoro Posted May 31, 2013 Share Posted May 31, 2013 I don't think it's 2+ though. That rumour appears to have been false. But it is <315 points. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/276267-new-eldar-codex-how-do-we-fair-up/#findComment-3384721 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Friz 80 Posted June 1, 2013 Share Posted June 1, 2013 The sun cannon weapon it has is crazy. I am going to buy the codec today to find a weakness and to make sure all the new elder players don't try and pull a fast one. I did the same thing with the new tau book. :) I meant codex :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/276267-new-eldar-codex-how-do-we-fair-up/#findComment-3384924 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roma Posted June 1, 2013 Share Posted June 1, 2013 Share every weak point! So far looks like we have to engage that thing in cc, or missile it quick-quick (assuming no invul). Extra props to those who take one down with arjac, im already working on it! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/276267-new-eldar-codex-how-do-we-fair-up/#findComment-3384930 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Friz 80 Posted June 1, 2013 Share Posted June 1, 2013 I will. It has some kind of a disruption shield I think from the quick glance I took at the codec yesterday I got paid today so if I pick it up today I will post a general overview of what it can do :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/276267-new-eldar-codex-how-do-we-fair-up/#findComment-3384942 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Ragnarok Posted June 1, 2013 Share Posted June 1, 2013 We need to find our insider spy (Grey Mage) and encourage him to give up some details. GM is an Eldar player and I'm sure his hands are wringing evilly right now. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/276267-new-eldar-codex-how-do-we-fair-up/#findComment-3384961 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rift Blade Posted June 1, 2013 Share Posted June 1, 2013 I play both & I can't wait till to get my hands on the bloody book. Sadly, it will be a month or so before I can get my own copy. Las weapons get a boost for them along the lines of if the Exarch has a las weapon(Swooping Hawks comes to mind) & hits, the rest of the squad becomes twin linked. Another little tid bit are that Warp Spiders are now Hit & run standard. Their vehicile upgrades got a boost to but cannot remeber exactly what. A buddy has the codex now so I'm sure I'll get to see it again soon. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/276267-new-eldar-codex-how-do-we-fair-up/#findComment-3385046 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vlk Posted June 1, 2013 Share Posted June 1, 2013 Frankly, I´m really worried about the new Serpent shields. AV12 transports making all penetrating hits glances on 2+ seems just insane; I use Drop Pods and my main anti-tank are meltaguns so this is really going to hurt as glancing them to death with massed high-strength fire is not really an option. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/276267-new-eldar-codex-how-do-we-fair-up/#findComment-3385115 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostwolfalpha Posted June 2, 2013 Share Posted June 2, 2013 Frankly, I´m really worried about the new Serpent shields. AV12 transports making all penetrating hits glances on 2+ seems just insane; I use Drop Pods and my main anti-tank are meltaguns so this is really going to hurt as glancing them to death with massed high-strength fire is not really an option. That does sound crazy. That better be a very pricey upgrade or only allowed on a limited number of vehicles. As far as I have read, the wraithknight is T8 3+ sv. Still very mean. That thing should never be allowed to have a coversave other then nightfighting. What worries me thr most is the new bladestorm rule. WGTDA are boned vs an onslaught of shinny little stars. (Nerdrage!) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/276267-new-eldar-codex-how-do-we-fair-up/#findComment-3385266 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deathscream Posted June 2, 2013 Share Posted June 2, 2013 The wraithknight costs 245 points is str 10 and t 8, 6 wounds, and can get a 5+ invuln via some shield thingy... All of the stock weapons basically rend now too... I am feeling like we are rapidly getting out powered here... Wheres our HUGE wolf with two side saddle las platforms? I want big model to play with too!! End of Line Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/276267-new-eldar-codex-how-do-we-fair-up/#findComment-3385307 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostwolfalpha Posted June 2, 2013 Share Posted June 2, 2013 I made a MC wolf HQ for a campaign and I would like to see something similar in our next codex. Or a wolf-like walker would be cool. A walker that moves like a beast or something. Anyways, eldar don't seem to have a ton of new toys, but the bladestorm thing seems kind of crazy to me. So what if they are short range, they can move shoot move and have fleet. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/276267-new-eldar-codex-how-do-we-fair-up/#findComment-3385311 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erluin Posted June 2, 2013 Share Posted June 2, 2013 I play both & I can't wait till to get my hands on the bloody book. Sadly, it will be a month or so before I can get my own copy. Las weapons get a boost for them along the lines of if the Exarch has a las weapon(Swooping Hawks comes to mind) & hits, the rest of the squad becomes twin linked. Another little tid bit are that Warp Spiders are now Hit & run standard. Their vehicile upgrades got a boost to but cannot remeber exactly what. A buddy has the codex now so I'm sure I'll get to see it again soon. Sigh, blood claws... Laser Lock is only for Scatter Lasers, and it only benefits the model equipped with it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/276267-new-eldar-codex-how-do-we-fair-up/#findComment-3385337 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hellios Posted June 2, 2013 Share Posted June 2, 2013 I wouldn't worry guys. For now I would treat the Eldar as you always have. The Eldar's psychic defense and ability to reliably buff themselves has gone way down. Howling Banshees (I feel) are not as good as they were (Which is a joke...), Fire Dragons have had a points increase (Which they needed). Striking Scorpions are not really designed to take on Marines... but overall I think they have been improved... Watch out for power fists that strike at I... Luckily at puny Eldar strength :P New troops are not that scary... rending against infantry on shuriken is nice but it shouldn't make a huge difference most of the time. Eldar fast attack has improved, but that is mainly small changes (so don't worry about new gimmicks). Heavy support is interesting. Fire Prisms now have 3 modes of fire and don't link... Large AP3 blast, small AP2 blast, anti-tank shot. 6th has made weapon platforms more viable, so if you haven't seen them already you might see them now. Bigger reaper squads with access to krak missiles (fairly expensive), BS4 on Eldar vehicles and I think weapon upgrades might be cheaper (I need to double check that). Wraithknight... just a bigger Wraithlord really. In other words... until the Eldar players figure something nasty out... No need to worry. Oh I guess Wraith armies might be interesting, but they will also be very small. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/276267-new-eldar-codex-how-do-we-fair-up/#findComment-3385338 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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