Your opinion on MOTW?

[Roma]

After using it for a few games, i find motw is not worth the points, so im dropping it from my squads, even though i run WB as well.

 

Anyone have diffirent or similar opinions?

[dswanick]

It's a must-have for me (but then again, I run a Bran Redmaw Great Company). It's is not, however, for all models. It is most cost-effective given to 1A models that cost 15pts+ each (ie, Grey Hunters, Wolf Guard) or those that will lose +1CCW attacks by taking other equipment (ie, Sky Claws, Scouts).

[sn33r]

I find MOTW brilliant but wolf standard a waste of points. I don't take plasma I take flamers and meltas.

[Roma]

Snr wow, most people agree wolf standard is the best wargear in the game for its points. Are you sure you understand all its abilities?

 

Dsw: on average, you only get 1 extra attack from motw, between that and rending, just buying another GH will give you a bigger damage output vs most targets, as well as an extra troop/wound etc.

[dswanick]

I find MOTW brilliant but wolf standard a waste of points. I don't take plasma I take flamers and meltas.

Then I think you're using it wrong. 10pts to:

- re-roll all 1s in Overwatch,

- re-roll a 1 on your MotW roll,

- re-roll all to-hit and to-wound rolls of 1,

- re-roll all failed TDA and half of your failed PA saves,

- and re-roll a bad Initiative test roll?

for one round? Yes, please. ;)

 

Snr wow, most people agree wolf standard is the best wargear in the game for its points. Are you sure you understand all its abilities?

Dsw: on average, you only get 1 extra attack from motw, between that and rending, just buying another GH will give you a bigger damage output vs most targets, as well as an extra troop/wound etc.

1A + 1CCW = 2 attacks

3.5 (average d6 roll) +1 = 4-5 attacks average w/ MotW. Average +2-3, not 1 extra

[sigvals redfist]

along with dswanick's post about the extra attacks, I come from a place where there is a large amount of people who use terminators and other models that confer a 2+ save and unless you give a grey hunter a power axe which will put him at I1 its the best way to get by 2+ saves, because against 2+ saves a power sword is almost pointless

[Forté]

Isn't MotW also rending? Worth trying with the standard unless the unit is objective sitting. I'll be using it on a dual Plasma Pistol Lone Wolf.

 

You also need to pick your targets. TEQ should be hit with things like Plasma, Krak, etc. Not worth taking in CC unless geared for it fully. One power axe isn't worth it against a squad.

[Roma]

Oh thanks dsw, i missed the +1 wording. Coupled with rending... Worth it i guess.

 

Funny how average 2d6 is 7, are human beings scientifically proven lucky :D? I always thought it was 6 before i was corrected a few months ago.

[Jarl Deathwolf]

I love Mark of the Wulfen not only because it makes for an awesome story when he occasionally kills an entire squad on his own, but also because it is a unique upgrade we have compared to other marines: We can pay a few points to have a werewolf in our packs. I greatly enjoyed modelling about a half a dozen werewolves to join my Great Company. 

[skeletoro]

I'd say it's better than a power axe or power sword for a grey hunter. Yeah, power axes will kill more terminators, but MOTW kills its terminators at initiative 4. 

 

I'd generally take BOTH MOTW and the axe in my squads though :)

[Ghostwolfalpha]

I think MotW is great for all comers lists. It can engage anything and do decent. You cant count on rending, but it should be hunting light to medium infantry, leave the 2+ saves for plasma and vindicators.

[Hurley]

I think Mark of the Wulfen is fantastic, but I've only ever used it with Grey Hunters. I always take it with a 10 man squad, but not with fewer. For the same point cost as a Grey Hunter, I have to have maxed out the bodies before I take the Mark.

[Rift Blade]

I always put MOW on my GH unless they are just going to be sitting on an objective  in my deploymnet area. Even packs of 5 simply becouse in CC it can even the odds. If your opponent is at all familiar with what MOW can do, they usually think twice about what to put in CC with your GH. If your opponent is having a rough go of it, the mere thought of what that possible rend will do will make him hesitate or play to cautious. And, every now & then MOW will save your bacon in the most ludicrous ways. At a tournie last year, I had one GH pack start with 10 models & over the course of the game, kill 2 Chaos Dreads & 6 Plague Marines all due to the MOW guy. At the end of the game I had 3 GH left but they won me the game. When combined with the WSTD, the results are almost always better then average. My 2 cents anyways.

[Valerian]

A Tactical Squad is pretty worthless in close combat, but Grey Hunters are decent. Throw in a Power Axe, Wolf Standard, an a MotW model in the pack for an extra 40 points and now they're quite formidable against almost any other unit in the game. Not quite Dedicated Assault unit material, but able to hold their own quite admirably.

 

Valerian

[sn33r]

The reason I don't take it is I forget to use it so that's 10 points wasted. Lol.

[Blacksad]

my favourite unit back in the day was a unit of 10 sniperrifle and bolter-armed wolf scouts, one of which had a mark of the wulfen, accompagnied by a wolf priest in runic armour with saga of the hunter, and a PA wolf guard with mark of the wulfen and 2 plasma pistols. practicaly guaranteed to pull a unit in to assault it, and the look on your opponent's face when you roll 2D6+2 rending attacks, all of which get to reroll their ones, is bloody priceless.

[Way1and]

The reason I don't take it is I forget to use it so that's 10 points wasted. Lol.

I'm in the same longboat. I completely forgot it was there all three games last night, despite having it specifically modelled. Dunno why 'cause it is a great upgrade. Thinking of pulling it again as its 20-30 points per list I can put toward something I'll actually use.

 

Oh, and to keep on topic: Grey Hunters and MotW are like peanut butter and jelly. They just belong together! I'd guess I've been averaging about 5 attacks per use.

[Blacksad]

peanut butter and jelly belong together, yes. in the garbage disposal unit, or in the song.

[Grimtooth]

Last weekend, MotW models ripped thought power armored SM with rending.  Makes for a nice addition to the power axe in the unit as well as the wolf claw/bp WGPL that will be joining them at higher point levels;

 

AP 3 at initiative?  Covered.

AP 2 at initiative?  Covered.

AP 2 that cannot be targeted?  Covered.

[DanPesci]

I always take wulfen in my GH units, and usually dont bother with the power weapon at all, unless its my 'hq' grey hunter unit (ie the one accompanying a wolf priest or lord etc).

 

I find im quite lucky with rending rolls, and combined with the banner you cna get some really good results.

 

I also find them a great addition to either small or large hunter packs. The large they can nicely hide away, whereas small packs they can lend a high number of attacks to sway a combat.

 

My housemate playes darkangels, and is often disgusted at the fact that my wulfen guy alone a lot of the times gets nearly as many attacks as a whole combat squad of his :)

 

 

my favourite unit back in the day was a unit of 10 sniperrifle
andbolter-armed wolf scouts, one of which had a mark of the
wulfen,accompagnied by a wolf priest in runic armour with saga of the
hunter,and a PA wolf guard with mark of the wulfen and 2 plasma
pistols.practicaly guaranteed to pull a unit in to assault it, and the
look onyour opponent's face when you roll 2D6+2 rending attacks, all of
whichget to reroll their ones, is bloody priceless.

 

Sounds good, i currently run Wolf Priest (P.Pistol, SotH), WGPL (2xPP, Motw), 10x Grey Hunters (2xPGun, Banner, Motw - sometimes powerfist). 2d6 +2 rending with preferred enemy is indeed glorious :D