Eldar allies?

[irwit]

Hi all

 

Im looking at the new eldar models and thinking I may have to take the plunge!  

 

I was thinking for 1650 army,   a spiritseer,  some wraithguard and of course a wraith titan!  

 

Im hoping that the wraithguard can slog along with my GHs as a screen.   Titan just draws fire from everything allowing my podding wolf lord and TWC the get in the opponents face without as much attention.   

 

What does everyone think about Eldar working with Wolves then ?

[skeletoro]

I think there's a lot of potential there, for sure.

 

Personally, I haven't really examined the wraithguard closely. The models look nice, but I'm not sure the actual unit does much that space wolves can't do anyway.

 

On the other hand, if you're going Wraith-heavy, you might be interested in Iyanden? They can (with the supplement) take 1-5 Spiritseers as an HQ choice.

 

Spiritseers are pretty damn nice, I reckon. (One thing I haven't checked as I don't have the codex: can they take jetbikes?) 70 points for 2 Mastery levels is a pretty good deal, and the Runes of Battle discipline is very strong overall. Although they can't buff Space Wolf units (because they're allies of convenience), their powerful maledictions can do so indirectly. With a few spiritseers, I'd definitely suggest WC+PF on your melee specialists rather than PF+SS (and maybe wolf claws rather than power axes on your pack leaders),... you've got a pretty decent chance of getting the -1 armour save malediction, which would turn any character with a wolf claw into a TDA slaughering machine!!

 

It's hard to know exactly how good shadow councils will be until we see what this new Primaris power is. Conceal is amazing, but less so for wraithguard. I'm guessing that the Iyanden primaris is something that is more tailored towards wraith constructs than guardians and jetbikes.

 

I have a question though (Grey Mage?) Do Spirit Seers make wraithguard troops ONLY or do they become Elites + Troops?

 

Also, it seems that Wave Serpents are actually really good. As long as you don't intend to ferry melee units with them. But it's an interesting alternative to slogging.

[irwit]

I think for foot slogging lists. I have HHS with plasma and WG with cml. Wraith guard are a good screen unit with high toughness and seriously Scarry guns! I think they will soak up a lot of fire letting they ghs make it to mid field.

I'm going to get the codex and see what else looks good. I'd go for jet bikes if the models weren't so awful!

[skeletoro]

Yeah, that's the dilemma with jetbikes.

 

There's always an outside chance we'll see a Sai Hamn (sp?) supplement over the next 12 months, with new jetbike models. But the fact they've repackaged the old bikes makes you wonder how likely that really is.

 

How many points is a wraithguard? T6, 3+/5++, right? That's... potentially very tough against most guns. They'll have specific weaknesses that terminators don't suffer from (I'm thinking krak missiles and the C:CSM flier for starters), but with that statline they're a tad less vulnerable to plasma, which is nice. I guess it all comes down to cost. Terminators are nice and tough, but there isn't a TDAWG loadout that's appreciably tougher than a grey hunter, for the points (except against AP3, which is too niche to pay off as a general strategy, imo). Depending on the cost of wraithguard, might be kinda similar in that respect.

 

Still, they're troops. Which is nice. Spiritseers are SO much cheaper (and arguably much better for the cost) than Logan. Are they fleet like the rest of eldar? It could pay off, maybe.

 

Also, do Wraithguard have access to an AP2 @ init glaive? I think that's what I saw in one leak. If that's right, they're crazy good!

[Grey Mage]

Wraithguard cost a point less than a basic WGTDA, and do NOT have an invulnerable save unless you take the axe wielding close combat option, in wich case its a 4++.

 

Do a headswap on the jetbikes and theyre fine really....

 

If I was to take Eldar as allies in a SW force.... itd be to do something SWs have a hard time with. So something like:

 

Autarch on Jetbike with Fusiongun and Firesabre

3-5 Guardian Jetbikes

Fire Prism with Holofields.

 

It runs about 350pts, gives you a fast moving scoring unit with decent combat capability and what is now possibly the best antitank weapon in the game as well as a S5 AP3 blast.

[Cooperman15]

I just finished a game against Eldar today. Lots of jet bikes, 2 wraith guard squads (1 with ap2 flamers, 1 with the str9 shots) in wave serpents, two guardian squads, two viper squads, the Avatar and two wraith lords. No spirit seer so WG weren't troops but he immediately changed that after our game.

 

Serpents are very good, wraith guard can be very tough, avatar is not unbeatable, and the whole army is SO damn mobile!!! My biggest weakness was not adjusting to the mobility of the army. Also I failed two key charges and lost bc the game went past five, where i was winning.

 

But my lone wolve handled both wraith lords before dying....good times

I didn't see enough of all the new toys or psychic powers so I can't speak much to them.

 

I agree that allies should be for an area we lack....I like Greg Mages recommendation very much.

[Grimtooth]

No.

[Grey Mage]

Eloquently put Ramses, as always.

 

I dont run any allies with my Wolves, but I have the eldar on hand- and this is what I speculate Id use :P

[skeletoro]

Lols, Ramses. Seriously though, is there any lore anywhere suggesting space wolves have ever worked alongside Eldar? I haven't read any of the SW novels yet (I'm kinda reading in chronological order and am not even half way through the HH yet, let alone 40k). The little I've been able to google only mentions conflict.

[Grey Mage]

There is in C:SW, and its pretty much the same way any marine chapter works with the eldar: theyre both at the same place, the eldar show up and kill somethings, and then try to disengage. If the marines directly engage them they give an enigmatic warning or just duck and run.

[Russ Brother 92]

In C:SW it states something along the lines of we were both fighting, then 'Crons arrived - we 'semi' teamed up (not in the same place, just stopped shooting each other for a while), once the 'Crons were vanquished, they brought our honoured dead to us but stuff got mis-translated and kaboom we started tearing each other to bits again... not exactly happy families and that 'truce' was instigated by a mutual foe and Eldrad Ulthran iirc. haha

I would take them purely to (as GM mentioned) to cover areas in which we severely lack - mobile anti-tank/anti-air things, or tough core troops that won't inhibit our WG or GHs.