Anyone actually looking forward to a new codex?

[Wulfebane]

I will agree that Canis should be burned from the history books and forgotten. Not only is the fluff bad, but the lack of an invuln makes him the least desirable unit in the codex.

[skeletoro]

There are redeemable elements though. How about removing Canis, BUT having some wolf lord option (perhaps fold into Saga of the Wolfkin) to unlock fenrisian wolves as troops? And then perhaps a "relic" pair of wolf claws with rending and maybe +1 attack when in B2B with 3 or more enemy models. Or something like that.

[Erebos]

You know I kinda like SW being the funny astartes. Ther needs to be at least one chapter that isn't deadly serious all the time. I mean other Space Marines pray in their spare time. What do we do? We drink ale and party!

[Ghostwolfalpha]

I don't think we should be comical, but I agree that Space Wolves don't take them selves nearly as seriously as the other astartes. Take the fight betweem Russ and Lion, it ends with Russ laughing and then getting punched for it. The one thing we do share with the boys in blue is our utter devotion to protecting humanity. We always put lives first, and that is one of the things I love about the wolves. I don't know the numbers, but we have very few traitor factions that came from the Canis Helix if memory serves me.

 

I think an assault rhino, air defense, and some cool new (or old) toys are all we need. There is a reason we are feared throughout the galaxy and the tabletop, we are the sons of Russ, we are strong!

[hendrik]

even in the ragnar books (which are considered to be quite comical) we didn't party all the time, not the least in a way we imagine partying now. the drinking feasts actually have a purpose, to remember and honour the fallen, and to boast about mighty new sagas.

the same with the brawling described in the ragnar novels. it's no drunken brawling, it's a fight because there's usually a "debate" about who's the alpha male in the room.

the thing is, most space wolf players describe the space wolves as drinking vikings in space, which is actually a huge extrapolation, but still has shaped peoples image of the wolves in a HUGE way!

[Wulfebane]

The one thing we do share with the boys in blue is our utter devotion to protecting humanity. We always put lives first, and that is one of the things I love about the wolves.

Point of contention, Ultramarines (and an alarming amount of astartes) are devoted to protecting the Emperor's dream of a unified Imperium, not necessarily humanity. They would sacrifice a city/starship/planet of humans in a heartbeat if it meant keeping the empire safe. Wolves, on the other hand are against this practice, weeding through the bad to find those worth saving, choosing humanity over the empire. This is chiefly responsible for the Wolves' conflict with the Inquisition (and a way to explain astartes fighting astartes on the table).

[Max_Dammit]

Blood of Asaheim gave me a diferent look on the partying SW. Sure they are not like other chapters, but they are a lot more serious than is thought of them. And its will alone that keeps them the way they are.

[Cate]

There is a difference between comical, fun and retarded. Look at the difference between the wolves in Prospero Must Burn and the wolves in the Battle of the abyss. The difference is as large as between Heath Ledgers Joker and Cesar Romeros Joker, one a fun character you never would want to be around (Heath Ledgers) and one so retarded that you just want to slap him over he head and tell him to grow up (Cesar Romeros). Every time I see a post that say we are the one who drinks, brawls, party and have fun, I see the wolves turning into Mike "The situation" Sorrentino in Jersey Shore.

The wolves do not party, according to me, the have feasts for a reason, they may get drunk and get into brawls with each other during these feasts. They celebrate victories, they mourn the dead, and they have feasts on the special days which are important to them.  A party is something you do just for fun without a real reason, no, just for fun is not a reason.

The wolves also pokes on the heretical institutions who have gone from the Emprors true path, they challenge the other chapters who are to set into their dogmatic ways following the Rowboat codex and now following the chuch of terras ways, which is wrong according to the wolves. They might do this in a humorous way, but that is the more diplomatic way, a real challenge against the church and its heretical ways is like the one after the First war of Armageddon. 

 

/C

[Leonaides]

I might just point out that almost no* 'cannon' chapters "follow the Church of Terra's ways" as you put it - thats kind of why the Ecclesiarchy hates all space marines, yet is forced to elevate them to virtual sainthood in their pantheon due to their being a direct creation of the Emperor and sharing a small part of his majesty (via the Primarchs).

(* - I cannot actually think of ANY chapter who follow the Ecclesiarchy, but I cant rule it out off the top of my head - there may be one or two out of 1,000 )

[Max_Dammit]

I might just point out that almost no* 'cannon' chapters "follow the Church of Terra's ways" as you put it - thats kind of why the Ecclesiarchy hates all space marines, yet is forced to elevate them to virtual sainthood in their pantheon due to their being a direct creation of the Emperor and sharing a small part of his majesty (via the Primarchs).

(* - I cannot actually think of ANY chapter who follow the Ecclesiarchy, but I cant rule it out off the top of my head - there may be one or two out of 1,000 )

There is the ones used against the fang in emperors gift, i thought they worshiped him as a god if i remember correct

[Beef]

Not bothered to be honest, I have played through from the 2ed codex.  To be honest ~I hardly play anyway so it wont really make a difference to me.  New models are always a bonus.

[Hfran Morkai]

Codex is perfectly useable as it is, even if there are a few things I'd like to see changed.

 

• Blood Claws, I can't fathom why they're the same points as Grey Hunters for their profile, sure the bonus attack is nice on the charge but with lower WS. Whether Blood Claws need a bonus (drop in points, maybe some other rules) or Grey Hunters need to take a hit I'm not too sure (Grey Hunters are perhaps a little too good for what they cost).
• Wolf Priests, now the Wolves are a fairly superstitious force in the Imperium, but they are not savages, and have knowledge of medicine, Wolf Priests even more so. I'd readily pay some more points to get FNP with the Priest.
• Flakk Missile upgrade for Long Fangs
• Wolf Scouts, my favourite unit. I'd like to see them get shotguns back (the piece in the third ed codex was awesome, also featured in the release White Dwarf) and I'd like to have the assault from OBEL back, it was what made them terrifying, the prospect of a heavily tooled up unit turning up and causing havoc.

But the codex is still good. Just a shame I'm working on a Heresy list, and well waiting for the Wolves to be covered in the Horus Heresy series before I get back to them.

[spacewolflars]

I don't think we necessarily need some big bad ridiculous model. Something to help counter them would be nice. I can't help thinking that getting the number of power fists and power weapons back would go a long way towards that. To those who don't remember we used to get a power fist or power weapon for every portion of 5 models in a unit. So you could have a unit of 11 blood claws with 3 power fists. If you wanted to get really silly you could throw in a wolf gaurd with a power fist too for a unit of 12 with 4 power fists.

 

As others have said give long fangs flakk missiles. Although doesn't murderous hurricane do a number on flyers too?

 

In a way I kind of like the way some of the space marine flyers look. I wouldn't mind getting access to them. Just hope they don't call 'em wolfstrike missiles.

[Ghostwolfalpha]

Our big thing could be a tooled up Leman Russ that can get intercepter or Overwatch. Call it Allfather's Eye.

 

I really hope they don't get rid of TWC. I think they are amazing. Both to play with and to look at. I highly doubt they will, but it worries me that they may go the way of the attack bikes.

[Grimtooth]

Just a thought;

 

Codex Eldar----->Codex Iyanden supplement

Codex Space Wolves------>Codex 13th Company supplement

 

OH ALLFATHER PLEASE!!!

[Ghostwolfalpha]

I'd give my right eye...

[spacewolflars]

I really hope they don't get rid of TWC. I think they are amazing. Both to play with and to look at. I highly doubt they will, but it worries me that they may go the way of the attack bikes.

I don't think they'd do that. They finally come out with the model only to erase it's use a year or two later? Just seems like it would be too easy to just leave them in.

[Jarl Kjaran Coldheart]

 

I really hope they don't get rid of TWC. I think they are amazing. Both to play with and to look at. I highly doubt they will, but it worries me that they may go the way of the attack bikes.

I don't think they'd do that. They finally come out with the model only to erase it's use a year or two later? Just seems like it would be too easy to just leave them in.

 

i agree with your logic, but the pessimist in me remembers the beautiful Wulfen models from the EoT campaign...

 

WLK

[Ju'kosian]

I'm not to sure everybody get's the giant construct thing..

Grey got the dreadknight, then there's the riptide and wraithknight... but chaos marines, chaos daemons and dark angels did not really get something like that.. daemons woudl have been easy to release a big kit... so did they miss something there or just decided to give big things after those releases..

 

 

Also don't think units will get nerfed much, chaos marines did not change much.. did get cheaper and lost their ccw (still have it as option), plagues are even better (went up 1pt) all others got cheaper...

We can see how much tacticals change in the new SM dex, point wise and option wise..

 

Long fangs, well I'm guessing they change the fire control (or what's the name) into the split fire usr..

[skeletoro]

Well there was actually a rumour on faeit 212 a month or two ago, that C:SW comes out first half 2014, will give wolves most of the stuff marines have or will have (which supposedly includes a big walker and something between a terminator and a dreadnought in size) EXCEPT the marine fliers - because space wolves will get their own flier. And they're getting wulfen packs, and a big "predator wolf" model or something. I wonder if that's a blackmane?

 

OK let's see if I can find a linky...

 

http://natfka.blogspot.co.nz/2013/04/inquisition-codex-sisters-of-battle.html

 

Would you like to sprinkle some rumour on your extra large helping of salt?

[Wolf Guard Dan]

I both want a new codex and dread a new codex.  I don't want our rules that make us Wolfy to be taken away. Sagas, Long Fang Fire Control, Scout OBEL, etc. are things I find at risk.  If they make Sagas into out warlord traits, that would be bad. Long Fang Fire Control should not be modified to Split fire. Fire control fits the fluff.  And I can see us losing acute senses and just having that be a scout thing and no more OBEL. I shouldn't be putting these ideas out there...

 

But there is also a lot of opportunity (/my wishlist):

 

Hopefully RPs wont have to pay 50 points for mastery level two. Although we will have to roll for psychic powers just like everyone else. Thats fair.

Make Iron Priests playable. 1 Wound is really limiting. +1 Wound and Independent character would not make this an auto-include. It would make this unit playable.

Fix blood claws. Either less points or WS4. Orks shouldnt be hitting me on 3s. I have 20 blood claws I would like to field, but they are so limited. Especially when I can just field Grey Hunters for the same cost and way more utility.

Long Fangs get Flakk.

Fen Wolves need something. I still haven't figured out how to play them. It is probably my own inadequacies, but I am having a heck of a time figuring them out. I am really enjoying the conversion project I have done for them. I would like to use them.

Fix point costs for our HQ characters. Bring them down a little.

 

That being said. None of this is necessary to bring us up to 6th edition. Just give us Flakk for our long fangs. Charge us 15 or twenty points. I dont care. Just do it.

[Roma]

What is this 13th company supplement i keep hearing about? What did it add to the playstyle?

[Sturm Moonwolf]

I'm fine with our codex the way it is but if I had to choose some things to add or change I'd go with replacing Canis with Bran Redmaw, a wolf flyer would be nice, Wulfen would rock, make Blood Claws a little more attractive, and from the rumors if we gain access to other SM units previously unavailable I guess that is fine. Not that I'm interested in Thunderfire cannons but it's never a bad thing to have more options. Oh, and bring back the Leman Russ Exterminator. It bugs me that I have one from back in 3rd edition and it does nothing but collect dust unless I use it in an apoc game.

[skeletoro]

I certainly have wondered at times whether the FW bran model got canned in part because GW decided to produce one for the next SW codex.

 

Unlikely, but it's in the back of my mind. Would love to see the Redmaw make his way into the codex, and it would kinda make sense if they put wulven back in (perhaps there'd be a better way to represent the high rate of MoTW in his great company...? Have him lead a unit of wulven?)

[Wulfebane]

Tossing another idea out there.

 

Scout-painted, 24" radius deployment, teleported tarantulas.

We may hate having ourselves "beamed down" but that wouldn't stop us from not having teleport tech for retrieving fallen tda-bearers. So inanimate objects should be fine. We're not savages!