wilks Posted June 15, 2013 Share Posted June 15, 2013 Hi guys, I was wondering is there any particular legion which has a preference for MKIV armour? or visually is seen the most with the maximus armour mark? I want to make a Heresy army and all my troops will have the MKIV armour mark, I want it to be a running theme throughtout as it is my favourite. So far I think Sons of Horus or World eaters. So what legions does it make you think of? I have yet to choose a legion yet but I like them all so feel free to mention any and why. traitor or loyalist. Thanks for the help, much appreciated. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/276895-mkiv-armour-legion-preference/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deus de Mortalis Posted June 15, 2013 Share Posted June 15, 2013 The legions with a preference for Mk4 were the traitor legions, at least the ones that Horus counted on before the heresy. Remember that it was the last mark to come out before the heresy, and that the traitor legions were sent them while the loyalist legions mostly complained about not being supplied. Aesthetically, there is only one legion that is always seen in Mk4, the last legion, the Alpha Legion. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/276895-mkiv-armour-legion-preference/#findComment-3394550 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrandMagnus Posted June 15, 2013 Share Posted June 15, 2013 Hard to say but I would definetly go for Sons of Horus, World Eaters or Emperors Children. Reasons?: Sons of Horus: Since horus was the warmaster he would surely try to get his hands of the most advanced suits of power armour so he could have a well equiped legion. World Eaters: just my personal idea, since they always have MASSIVE loses due to their reckless way of making war they would probably be restocked with the newest mark of power armour. Emperors Children: Here I would just say that the slick features of the MK III fits them nicely. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/276895-mkiv-armour-legion-preference/#findComment-3394551 Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackoption Posted June 15, 2013 Share Posted June 15, 2013 I would disagree with Sons of Horus and World Eater legions being universally equipped with MK4. Angron's veteran's were identifiable because they wore the older armor mks (2 and 3) with multiple world eater's insignia and brass colored helmets.... meanwhile the world eater's recruits had the newer MK 4 and had to earn the right to even wear the world eater's symbol. As for the Son's of Horus, FW's HH Betrayal book depicts their gang influenced styles as them rarely having the conformity of a single armor pattern in a company. In fact, some members had armor components from multiple different mks of armor. I could see select companies of Emperor's children having nothing but MK 4. The Emperor's children (pre heresy at least) were a very disciplined legion that always sought to use the best gear for the ideal circumstance. With MK4's rounded out capabilities, I can see standard units of the EC all in MK 4 plate. Breacher units would probably be in mk 3. But even the vaunted EC still used MK 2 armor. Mortalis does have a point about the Alpha Legion... they have always been identified as having Mk 4 armor. As for loyalists... if any legion had access to the mark 4 suit, it would have been the Imperial fists. Since they were the home legion for the Emperor, I am fairly sure that the badasses in yellow rarely wanted for any equipment (they were also the first ones to have access to the MK 6 and MK 7 armor) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/276895-mkiv-armour-legion-preference/#findComment-3394588 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted June 15, 2013 Share Posted June 15, 2013 The main 8 Traitor Legions(KSons are questionable) are going to have them in abundance. The other 9/10 Legions will have either little or none. Legions that I can name off the top of my head where Mk IV is explicitly stated(in the BL novels) to be worn are the Night Lords(Prince of Crows), Sons of Horus(Death of a Silversmith, Horus Rising), Word Bearers(Battle for the Abyss, Betrayer, Know No Fear and The First Heretic) and the World Eaters(Betrayer). If I remember Forgeworld's Betrayal correctly, the Death Guard and Emperor's Children were also shown to be wearing Mk IV as well. Most of the examples are actually officers, but that by no means only officers wore the Mk IV as Battle for the Abyss and Know No Fear pretty much make an effort to display the entire XVII(the second biggest Legion) as wearing Mk IV. In the Night Lords, the Chiroptera are said to be wearing Mk IV and as was pointed out to me, it definitely suggests that Sevatar was wearing it as well. For the Sons of Horus, Garviel Loken(Horus Rising) and Hastur Sejanus(Death of a Silversmith) are both described to be wearing Mk IV as early as Ullanor. And for the World Eaters, Khârn and Skane's Destroyers were wearing Mk IV as well, although Khârn's was modified with a Sarum-pattern mouthpiece. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/276895-mkiv-armour-legion-preference/#findComment-3394590 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SillyDreadnought Posted June 15, 2013 Share Posted June 15, 2013 After Ullanor, it's safe to assume quantities of mk.IV plate were available to all the Legions in varying numbers. The Blood Angels in Fear to Tread were described in the majority as having Mk.IV plate for example. Honestly it boils down to what you like to see on your models. It's entirely fine to field a Raven Guard force entirely in Mk.IV for example. It simply boils down to your choice. Background is malleable anyway. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/276895-mkiv-armour-legion-preference/#findComment-3394622 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andystarscream Posted June 15, 2013 Share Posted June 15, 2013 After Ullanor, it's safe to assume quantities of mk.IV plate were available to all the Legions in varying numbers. this sums it up best i think Bear in mind the number of marines in the legions are mostly in the 100 thousand so unless your army is going to use those numbers its safe to assume thousands of of every legion had access to mk 4 although the traitors had more Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/276895-mkiv-armour-legion-preference/#findComment-3394672 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daemon2027 Posted June 15, 2013 Share Posted June 15, 2013 Alpha Legion, being the youngest, we're completely kitted out entirely in mark IV, although any army could be shown to be wearing maximus armour. Unless your planning on painting an entire Legion, you could say that the company your painting has been issued with the latest armour. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/276895-mkiv-armour-legion-preference/#findComment-3394687 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greyshift Posted June 16, 2013 Share Posted June 16, 2013 I'm also going with pure mkIV for my Iron Hands for the simple reason that its my favourite mark of armour by far. If anyone asks I'll explain it by saying Fulgrim was convinced that he could bring Ferrus over to Horus' cause and with him arranged for the Iron Hands to be given large quantities of the newer mark. The only downside I can see with this is if the FW Iron Hands breacher squad are modelled in mkIII... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/276895-mkiv-armour-legion-preference/#findComment-3395052 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted June 16, 2013 Share Posted June 16, 2013 Well, nothing says you can't modify a MK IV squad into looking like an Iron Hands Breacher Squad. :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/276895-mkiv-armour-legion-preference/#findComment-3395142 Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilks Posted June 16, 2013 Author Share Posted June 16, 2013 Thank for all the help guys, great and helpful replies from everyone. I think this may seem a bit controversial but I'm thinking Death Guard all in MKIV. I like the combat style being mostly infantry based and I think their colourscheme would go well with the MKIV armour, although, it's not really visually what springs to mind when people think DG mainly being MKII but I think it could work. I mean they did obviously have MKIV armour suits too, probably more then most being a traitor legion like others have said. what do you think? workable? or Fluff heresy? I also like the WE colourcheme, but I'm not so keen on their combat style and primarch however. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/276895-mkiv-armour-legion-preference/#findComment-3395158 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Arcturus Posted June 18, 2013 Share Posted June 18, 2013 Totally sounds solid to me, it's always nice to see someone break the mold. Blackoption: I'm pretty sure it was RG, not IF that got the first mk.6 Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/276895-mkiv-armour-legion-preference/#findComment-3396172 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted June 18, 2013 Share Posted June 18, 2013 Yes and no. The Imperial Fists seized all of the Mk VI armor they could when they went to Mars to help put down the schism that was there. However, thy gave all they had to the Raven Guard. So technically the Imperial Fists were the first ones to have access to it, it was just that the Raven Guard were the first to utilize it because the Imperial Fists gave away every suit they had. It's all in Deliverance Lost if memory serves. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/276895-mkiv-armour-legion-preference/#findComment-3396184 Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackoption Posted June 18, 2013 Share Posted June 18, 2013 I missed that detail. I had assumed that since the RG had been much reduced that their were suits left over for the boys in yellow Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/276895-mkiv-armour-legion-preference/#findComment-3396834 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted June 19, 2013 Share Posted June 19, 2013 Understandable. It is entirely possible that the Imperial Fists may have kept the designs and started manufacturing some suits themselves, provided they could find a working, loyal forge to produce them so I wouldn't say the Imperial Fists wouldn't have them later on, but I imagine it would be in a very limited capacity. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/276895-mkiv-armour-legion-preference/#findComment-3396956 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyaenidae Posted June 19, 2013 Share Posted June 19, 2013 There are forges on Terra, though not nearly as vast as the ones on Mars (Terrawatt Clan comes to mind). At a guess, I'd say they could maybe pump out a few dozen Mk VI every month. Most resourses would be pouring into the war effort, limiting production as Lord Dorn turns the seat of Imperial power into the mightiest fortress in the realm. If you were, for example, building a Heresy-era Imperial Fist army, I'd limit Mk VI to special cases. No one below the rank of Sergeant, I'd say. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/276895-mkiv-armour-legion-preference/#findComment-3396970 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SillyDreadnought Posted June 19, 2013 Share Posted June 19, 2013 But then again, if your troops have parts of armour failing or in need of replacement, you'd simply hand out parts of Mk.6 to anyone who needs them. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/276895-mkiv-armour-legion-preference/#findComment-3397121 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyaenidae Posted June 19, 2013 Share Posted June 19, 2013 ...Which is why we're starting to see more blends of power armour instead of pure MK III or IV plate. War turns all actions into necessity. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/276895-mkiv-armour-legion-preference/#findComment-3397409 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted June 19, 2013 Share Posted June 19, 2013 Yep. As the war goes on, we'll start seeing Mk V armor in abundance and if I were Forgeworld(or if I knew Forgeworld's limitations) I would have a field day with Mk V as there is no standard since it is every unofficial(like the Ultramarines' Praetor pattern) and ad hoc design that ever existed during the Heresy. Or at least I would heavily encourage customization and conversion on the armor Mks and maybe work towards making that easier to do Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/276895-mkiv-armour-legion-preference/#findComment-3397418 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyaenidae Posted June 19, 2013 Share Posted June 19, 2013 Hell yes. You know, now that I think of it, the white scars have already been noted for having MK VI plate in the short story Little Horus. Imagine all those crow helms turned to artificer plate.. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/276895-mkiv-armour-legion-preference/#findComment-3397419 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Eremon Posted June 19, 2013 Share Posted June 19, 2013 I don't get the reasoning behind the Alpha Legion being solely mk IV because they're a young Legion. They're not young. They've just had a shorter time with their Primarch than anyone else. Its not like the Legion spontaneously appeared alongside Alpharius. I can see all post-Primarch Alpha Legionnaires being kitted out, but they must have a HUGE percentage of pre-Primarch Terran Marines in older gear. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/276895-mkiv-armour-legion-preference/#findComment-3397421 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spinsanity Posted June 19, 2013 Share Posted June 19, 2013 I don't get the reasoning behind the Alpha Legion being solely mk IV because they're a young Legion. They're not young. They've just had a shorter time with their Primarch than anyone else. Its not like the Legion spontaneously appeared alongside Alpharius. I can see all post-Primarch Alpha Legionnaires being kitted out, but they must have a HUGE percentage of pre-Primarch Terran Marines in older gear. I don't get the reasoning behind the Alpha Legion being solely mk IV because they're a young Legion. They're not young. They've just had a shorter time with their Primarch than anyone else. Its not like the Legion spontaneously appeared alongside Alpharius. I can see all post-Primarch Alpha Legionnaires being kitted out, but they must have a HUGE percentage of pre-Primarch Terran Marines in older gear.They not only were the last Legion to be united with their primarch, they were the last one to be founded/implanted with their geneseed (just the opposite of the DAs who were the first Legion and therefore the *only* one for a short while - alongside Thunder warriors I guess. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/276895-mkiv-armour-legion-preference/#findComment-3397436 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Eremon Posted June 19, 2013 Share Posted June 19, 2013 Source for that? I thought that by the time the Emperor left Sol, ALL the Legions went with him. The numbers were designations, not order of creation. Otherwise, why did the XVI take out Luna at the end of the Unification Wars? Or did it take the Emperor 200 years to make the last four, when he had sixteen at the beginning? Edit: And if it is about creation order, then clearly the majority were created very closely together. If the XVI, or XVII, whichever, the Luna Wolves one, was present t the end of the Unification Wars and the Emperor began making the Legions at the end of the Unification Wars . . . Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/276895-mkiv-armour-legion-preference/#findComment-3397441 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted June 19, 2013 Share Posted June 19, 2013 Their IA article. The second page says how the Alpha Legion had only been founded for a few decades before Alpharius took command of them. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/276895-mkiv-armour-legion-preference/#findComment-3397446 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyaenidae Posted June 19, 2013 Share Posted June 19, 2013 I can confirm that, holding the IA right now. As for how much water that'll hold after the FW HH books though..... who freakin' knows? lol. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/276895-mkiv-armour-legion-preference/#findComment-3397450 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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